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[edit] Chennakesava Temple
Hi. I see that you have created a nice page here. There is a small problem. The image you call Chennakesava temple is not the Chennakesava but one of the minor shrines within the same complex, whose name I cant remember right now. So you need to show the image that has the shrine along with the tall Gopura in the back ground instead(I realise I took those photos myself). Of late I have been concentrating on temple towns in Karnataka. Normally instead of creating a page for a temple itself, I create a page for the town, give a brief description of the town, location, before dwelling on the temple architecture in detail. Examples are Balligavi, Somanathapura, Belavadi, Kambadahalli, Amritapura etc which I recently created. I am planning to elaborate on Belur with the Chennakesava temple and other minor shrines in the complex. I have a great book on "Hoysala architecture" by Gerard Foekema, a renowned expert on Hoysala art to help me. As such I understand the terminology quite well both from the book and my visits to various Hoysala temples in person. Shall I maintain the Chennakesava Temple page as such and expand on that or shall we merge it with Belur page and then elaborate on all shrines in the complex, emphasising on Chennakesava as its the center piece, along with the Gopura, Temple tank etc. The same issue with Hoysalesvara Temple. Halebidu has many shrines including Kedareswara temple and two Jain Basadi's as well. Focussing only on Hoysalesvara gets others lost to the reader and we should probably include all shrines into Halebidu page eventually. This strategy helps us to cover multiple temples/monuments in one page for a "temple town" while giving the reader a brief idea of the locality, town , trade, agriculture etc as we keep expanding.Dineshkannambadi 03:00, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Temple issue
Hi. Thanks for the reply. I see your problem. For lesser known yet ornate temples, its very easy to resolve. The best thing is to create a page for the town, add some details about the town, locations etc and then add to the same page info for the existing temple(s).
For famous temples (like channekeshava/Hoysaleasvara) its a bit tricky. Getting citations is not the issue as I have the book for it and minimal experience to write up something. The issue is how to go about writing it. Here are the choices,
- Create a seperate page for the town, give a brief account on all temples in the town and create sister article (attaced as main article) for the most important temple. This way both the town and the temple are covered. Anyway w.r.t. to Belur and Halebidu, the towns are known worldwide, While the temple "names" are not.
The same temple having multiple names can be covered by "redirect pages".
- Create a page for the town and put all info on all temples in the town in the same page as one does not expect noramlly to have too many temples in one location (exceptions are Vijayanagara, Khajuraho etc)
- Just create a page for the most important temple and let the others out (which sometimes does not cover the whole picture). Often as in Hoysala temples, the architects were smart enough to create parallel temples, with one acting as a prototype. The Kappe Channigraya temple (commissioned by Queen Shatala devi) to the right of Chennakeshava temple is actually said to be a prototype for the main Chennakeshava temple (built by King Vishnuvardhana). Also leaving out the Tank/Gopura which was = Strategy for temples ==
built by Vijayanagar Kings hides the continuity of patronage to the place. This is important to detail out.Your opinions are welcomeDineshkannambadi 18:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Somanathapura and Keshava temple
There seems to be a overlap here. Could you merge them. Generally people know the name Somanathapura very well over most parts of South India and defnitely in Karnataka where as the name Keshava Temple is common to over 10 hoysala temples and hence confusing. So we should keep the page under the town name or call it Keshava temple(Somanathapura) or something. The same applies to Chennakeshava temples.Dineshkannambadi 15:01, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Thanks!!!
Hi. We will have to work out a strategy for each case I guess unless there is something very obvious that requires no strategy. At the same time there is nothing wrong in having individual temple pages depending on the situation, for example: Somnath temple in Gujarat.Dineshkannambadi 15:15, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Okay.
We can have Keshava temple(Somanathapura). But then we can always have a page called Somanathapura with a redirect the the first page. There are times we may want to mention (and have mentioned) Somanathapura without having to use Keshava temple in it.Dineshkannambadi 15:19, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] identity
Hi. Its kind of difficult to give an identity to small towns though, because there is so little data on them.Dineshkannambadi 15:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Reply:OKDineshkannambadi 15:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
In the case of really famous temples like Chennakesava, Keshava etc this strategy of giving seperate identity to town an temple can work, but for lesser known temples it may not be possible, one example (among hundreds): Anagi town in Davangere District with the Ishvara temple.Then we have to go with a "temple town" strategyDineshkannambadi 15:49, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Shivasamudra
I see that this multiple name thing for a place is a big problem. I guess you should contact the guys who have edited the page Shivanasamudra and see if you can get concensus about what the merge to what. Which name is more popular? Locals call it Shivanasamudra, though we tend to call it Shivasamudra/samudram. See what news paper articles call it (which may again lead to same confusion). I will look today in my KA map and see what the map says. By the way, what are those [citation needed] tags doing on the page you created.Dineshkannambadi 18:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Strategy for temples
Hi. I though over this a bit and here is what I think we should do.
- For lesser known yet ornate temples, we create a page for the town with a header explainig the location of town and what it is famous for, and write up on the temple(s) with some photographs. As such, lives in such towns/villages generally revolve around the daily temple activities. (example; Nuggehalli, Belavadi etc)
- Temples that are extremely famous, (Chennakasava temple, Hoysaleswara, Virupaksha of both Hampi and Pattadakal, Mahadeva of Itagi, Kasi Vishwesvara of Lakkundi just to name a few) can have their own individual page with a main article include for the page in the town/city article (where the temple exists)
- Temple towns like Hampi and Vijayanagara, Pattadakal, Aihole, Badami etc that have many famous temples, though not all are equally famous can certianly have its own page (which already exists), there should be enough literature for that and have main article includes for the most famous temples. For other temples in town they can be explained right in the same page itself.
How does that sound? This way we preserve Chennakesava, Hoysaleswara etc you have created too (I shall be expanding on these big time shortly from my source "Hoysala architecture")Dineshkannambadi 20:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Temples
Dont worry, we all have bad days. I understand your problem regarding temples being related to their nearby towns, waterfalls being related to their nearby towns, forests being related to their near by towns etc. India is an ancient culture and certian things have stuck (for better or worse) and sometimes things go on based more on tradition than on convinience or logic. To understand India, you need to visit India and then things start falling into place. Just assume for now that temples can be represented by the temple itself or by the town it exists in and sometimes both and sometimes neither. Dont be afraid to merge your contents with those of others based on concensus and remember, whether the name is the one you think or the one someone else chose, you are still making a contribution.Keep contributing.Dineshkannambadi 00:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Temples
Thanks. I will let you know how you can help. Right now I am working on a different topic (this week). Next week I shall take up Halebidu Hoysaleswara temple in depth. Right now if you have time could you do a copyedit and look for grammatical/syntax etc errors in the temples/temple towns I have already created/worked on? (Somanathapura, Chennakesava Temple, Belavadi, Amritapura, Balligavi, Nuggehalli, Kambadahalli, Doddagaddavalli.Dineshkannambadi 18:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
{answered on Dineshkannambadi's page}
