User talk:Marwan123

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Hello, Marwan123, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  Cheers, TewfikTalk 23:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] WaSahlain

I'm not really sure what you meant, but I try to just keep everything neutral. The less opinion, the more facts, the less room for people to get upset, and the more effective a resource this page will be. TewfikTalk 07:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Khalili, I'm glad to hear that you think I am neutral. It is a grand attribute in this project, and being recognised for it in the midst of controversial editing is very helpful for morale. I hope that you have a good experience editing on Wikipedia, and if you have any questions or need assistance, feel free to contact me. Cheers, TewfikTalk 22:11, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

Marwan123, thank you for your kind words. Your encouragement is very much appreciated. Cheers. Kosmopolis 20:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Ditto. Kalkin 05:52, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Moi aussi. Sometimes I don't know why I bother with the Islamist Extremist Terrorism article. I gave up on it for most of this year, but it's nice to know that the effort is appreciated. --Lee Hunter 22:00, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Women's rights

Hi Marawn,

I have no objection with the Hadiths. My point is that wikipedia can not directly quote Hadith and Qur'anic verses since there are lots of verse and hadiths which needs to be considered and interpreted together; thus we can not quote them directly. Hadith and Qur'an are not secondary sources. I appreciate your work, but you might want to find an interpreter of Qur'an or Hadith who points out to that Hadith. Then we can says: "Scholar X says..." Please have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28Islam-related_articles%29#Sources

There are some guildlines which might help you in finding good sources ( "books.google.com" , etc.) Cheers,--Aminz 22:53, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quran

Hi there, Marwan; welcome to WP. Regarding the issue of whether meter (music) or meter (poetry) should be used in Qur'an, I think it should be the latter. Reason: the Qur'an is well-known (certainly if you are a muslim) to have a poetic element in the way it's verses are written and I think this is what the article tried to get across. Of course, if we think the link should be to meter (music), then this is more controversial, as some muslims believe that music is forbidden. I don't know too much about these issues, but I believe what I have written above is well-known. Therefore, I think the link should be to meter (poetry). Thanks. P.S. - thanks for clarifying the meaning of wazn. MP (talk) 17:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quranic and classic Arabic

Hullo Marwan, thanks for being so polite. A pleasant change from "How dare you remove my precious prose, you #$%#@$%@#$%!"

First of all, I don't speak or read Arabic (still working on my Alif Ba). However, in the course of researching books for studying Arabic, I noted that there are specialized books for Quranic Arabic, as distinct from Classical Arabic. Books like An Introduction to Koranic and Classical Arabic: An Elementary Grammar of the Language feel a need to use both terms. As I understand it, there are various difficulties in the language of the Qur'an that require a specialized approach. Classical Arabic is much more regular than the Quranic Arabic. This is due to Arabic grammarians attempting to standardize on the basis of the Qur'an, and coming up with rules that well-educated authors followed. However, the Qur'an breaks the rules in many cases! The grammarians standardized on the basis of the most common form.

Given that the Qur'an was assembled after decades of oral transmission by hafiz who probably spoke different dialects of Arabic, we could expect that the language would be somewhat inconsistent in places.

I ran into the same sort of thing when I studied classical Greek, many years ago. Homeric Greek, while admired and imitated by classical authors, preserved a number of archaic forms that dropped out of the language later. Zora 22:01, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ciao!

Hi! Thanks for thanks about History of Islam in southern Italy. I'm going to improve it as soon as I'll have some will and time (it'd be some thrice longer than now). Where are you from? Maybe I could ask for your help when seeing some Arabic Wikipedia articles could have infos useful also here? Bye and good work. (PS: if you want, you could add a babel --i.e., language -- infobox like that on my userpage). --Attilios 14:34, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

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