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Contents 1 ACT etc. 2 MK1 Mini 3 Australian People's Party 4 suburb map 5 History of the ACT 6 Parliamentary Triangle photo 7 Griffin etc 8 Capitol Theatre 9 bushfire map 10 Parliamentary Triangle 11 Knitlock 12 PM paintings 13 Featured article 14 Parliament House Images 15 map 16 ACT 17 Fun on other websites 18 Re: NFF 19 RfA 20 PJ 21 Re: Merging histories 22 ACT 23 List of postcodes 24 Brisbane suburbs map 25 Source for maps 26 Districts 27 Rank insignia 28 ADFA and copyright 29 ADFA Suggestions 30 Talk Page Etiquette 31 ADFA 32 Can you help me? 33 re: vandalism 34 "Established" infobox fields 35 Tuggeranong 36 Jumping Kangaroo picture 37 Mother Roo and Her Joey 38 Lizards 39 Change in order in Religion 40 Dchi3f 41 Tharwa - Geo-stub 42 Images 43 Geoffrey Hills 44 Britannica 45 Your Graphics

[edit] ACT etc.

Hi, I've stuck history of the ACT on peer review, there are a few more bits and pieces that I will probably add over the next week- for listing on FAC in early December. I've started work on a list/article on significant buildings here, based on the various lists of important places. I could use a hand filling in the gaps, sorting into pre and post WWII, and incorporating this list if you have some time to fill and nothing better to do.--nixie 01:47, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

• I like the historic map, I will take a better look at it later and let you know if I can think of anything else that needs to be added. Someone on peer review has just asked for a map showing the ACT relative to Jervis Bay- which would probably be a good addition- if you know of a historic map, or could make one, it'd be a good addition to the Establishment of the Territory in law section.--nixie 02:19, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Great. I think the pink could possibly be a bit more red so that it stands out more in the thumb. Thanks.--nixie 04:49, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
    • I agree that it looks heaps better in the thumb now.--nixie 04:53, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
      • Mabye to Sydney, I'm not sure about the need for it to show Melbourne too. I think alot of the detail might get lost, it is already hard to read the names on the thumb at 300px.--nixie 10:47, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] MK1 Mini

thanks, that's great! I have no problem in moving it, as I had not realised there was a MK1 Mini page there before. Thanks for adding the info, I do have quite a bit more to add as well, so hopefully it will develop into a useful article. Howard81 10:20, 25 November 2005 (GMT)

Which book do you get your sources from? I have the Parnell Original Mini Cooper and S book, but that does not have much info on the 850. Howard81 10:39, 25 November 2005 (GMT)

[edit] Australian People's Party

I have rewritten the article so that it is about the verifiable parties as well as a fictional party in the recent Australian film The Honourable Wally Norman. I would be grateful if you could take a look. Capitalistroadster 08:33, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] suburb map

Hi, Ive used your suburbs map to make a map for Canberra storms December 2 2005. hope thats ok Astrokey44 03:23, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] History of the ACT

I think I'll list it now- the majority of the red links are done. Is there a tidier way to mark up sqaure kilometers? The way I've done it with superscripts is kind of clumsy. I think there's good support of Burley Griffin as the next workup- may as well update that too.--nixie 07:09, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

• Do you think the 19th, 20th and 21st century headings should be added back to the article?--nixie 07:19, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Parliamentary Triangle photo

Hi Martyman
Please explain why you removed my photo - it showed the triangle much better than the existing photo from the National Exhibit. You can barely make out a triangle in that one. --Fir0002 10:01, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Griffin etc

Hi, about the Griffins, there are a few featured architects- do you like the article structure for Robert Lawson (architect)? I think we should incorporate some more in depth discussion on some (especaiily if we can get images for some of them) of his more important builigings - but I'm not sure how to work them in.

I hope your not stressed over the images thing - it's all a bit of a storm in a teacup, and the people that actaully edit the pages are going to make the final decision anyway. There seems to be some confusion about what an image should actaully add to an article - in my opinion they're not just for decoration.--nixie 21:54, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

There might be a patent for the knitlock system- which may at least have some info on how it works. ArtServe does seem pretty slow.--nixie 22:24, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Now that they have finally loaded, I'd say that most of the ArtServe images are vintage enough to be {{PD-Australia}}, but it'd be nice if there was some more source information provided.--nixie 22:42, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Capitol Theatre

Thanks. I'm pretty sure I've been there - I have a feeling I saw the premiere of Australian Rules there at a film festival a few years back. You're right, it is quite spectacular. Do you want me to go after some pictures of the interior? They have tours on Fridays, so I could. pfctdayelise 23:02, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] bushfire map

Hi Martyman, A Y Arktos suggested that we have a map similar to the suburb damage map I just did of the Canberra 2003 bushfires and I thought I would ask since you said it would be easier to create because you have the original file Astrokey44 23:49, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

If I can but in, the best info on the fire is the McLeod inquiry report, it shows all the ignition sites as well as the extent of the fires on each day - which could potentially make a very nice map showing the fires progression over time. The pdf is here.--nixie 05:30, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Parliamentary Triangle

Hi Martyman,
Thanks for coming around, and I'll hold up my end of the bargain and be more sparse in image additions on articles. --Fir0002 05:45, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Knitlock

I think the 3D version illustrates the concept well. But if it proves to be too difficult the article will be fine without it.--nixie 06:37, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] PM paintings

Hi Martyman
Do you think the photos would be OK under the fair-use license? --Fir0002 06:56, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok I'll leave the existing ones --Fir0002 08:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Featured article

After some editing Portugal from the Restoration to the 1755 Earthquake (now moved to History of Portugal (1578-1777) has considerably improved. If you want go there and vote. Thanks. Gameiro 22:44, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Parliament House Images

Hi Martyman
OK, I'll make an edit and upload it sometime this weekend --Fir0002 04:49, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

BTW have you seen my photos on Telstra Tower? Maybe some could be used somewhere --Fir0002 04:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] map

its ok, yours is much better. I like those black shadows behind the white letters. How did you do that? I thought inkscape was still in development ---- Astrokey44|talk 13:06, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] ACT

I just replied :/ Don't have much time for the wiki, but I will try and round up another source to see if I can extend the section any more, and I you could add in the thing about Aborigines chasing settlers cattle into the bush. One other thing would be to think of another word for European, since they seem to be under the impression that multiple nationalites settled in Aus. I have changed some instances to British, but I'm not sure British also covers Scottish and Irish.--nixie 01:00, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

The lead is where the changes need to be made, and some kind of disclaimer adding why we know so little about the Indigenous history should be added. The book I wated was out, and the other is at Menzies- and I don't have time to go there and make notes.--nixie 03:02, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fun on other websites

Hi, Marty. The webmaster on that site retracted the statement he made about me after I contacted him. Still, the "press release" remains. Not much that can be done, I'm afraid. Damn, I wish I was an administrator back when this whole thing started about a year ago. - Lucky 6.9 04:37, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: NFF

If you don't like it you can change it. Be Bold MPS 22:04, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I have deleted the original NFF page, and recreated the disambig, I also deleted the Australian page.--nixie 22:21, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I am aware of Wikipedia's guidelines, and I try to stay within them. Reviewing the web link you provided, I think you did a good job extracting the content from that site wothout copyvio. I didn't think my version was copyvio but that's a judgement call, I guess. Cheers. MPS 15:12, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RfA

RfA can be kind of unpleasant if somone picks up on some percieved wrong doing and other people jump on the bandwagon see, this one for an example, I don't think the photo thing was a big deal, but someone might. With there actaully being no criteria for adminship the process is rather stupid. If you're really interested in adminstrative duties, I'd say go for it next year when you've be active again for about 6 months.--nixie 02:35, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] PJ

Oh dear... just as I was going to bed. I can't deal with that right now, because I've got finals tomorrow. *sigh*... Alex Schenck (that's Linuxbeak to you) 03:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Merging histories

Yeah. But I'm nervous I might screw up... --cj | talk 05:57, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] ACT

With the recent editing on the history article the ref/note numbering is all off, could you take a look if you get a chance. I have to get a paper finished and should avoid the distraction. Thanks.--nixie 23:43, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of postcodes

Howdy. I have only proposed one list for now as I notice that wikipedians seldom reach a consensus on broad changes. If the afd is successful I'll use it as a precedent for the other similar lists. People's efforts should be directed to more productive articles. Garglebutt / (talk) 03:44, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I am just trying to follow due process for something I see as distraction from the main body of work in wikipedia. I haven't done an afd before so it is a learning exercise for me too. Garglebutt / (talk) 06:59, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Brisbane suburbs map

Hi, I am really impressed by the quality of the suburb maps that you have made for Adelaide and Canberra suburbs, and would like to expand this approach to the suburbs of Brisbane. I'll be the first to admit that I am no Michalangelo when it comes to graphic design. :) That is why I would appreciate your help in making a map or two for Brisbane for which the suburbs could be shown. Here are some links I found which may give you ideas:

• [1]
• [2]

I realise you are a busy person with many tasks on your mind, but would you be willing to help create the Brisbane suburb map series? Your help would be tremendously appreciated. Brisvegas 10:19, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Source for maps

Hi. I am in need of base maps onto which I can create a topical overlay of districts of southern NSW/ACT, for a non-Wikipedia purpose. I came across your maps and figure that you have access to an open-source map base. Is it online? (I need to cover an area roughly: Bega-Goulburn-western Blue Mtns-Forbes-West Wyalong-Griffith-Gundagai-Cooma-Bega.) With thanks for your advice, Peter Ellis 00:14, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Districts

I'm not really sure why we did that, and it wasn't my doing. While it slightly clarifies things, it's a bit unnecessary, and makes the pages a bit hard to find (the only way I could actually find the Woden page was to go from the suburb list). In any case, I wouldn't object if they were all moved to be without the (district).

The towns and suburbs, though, are another matter. While it means having to type a bit more in order to link to other pages, it fixed the serious problem we had with links pointing all over the place and articles being created at multiple titles. These days, we can and do fix links so they all go to the same place, can easily create redirects from any and all other possible places, and don't have to go hunting around for where the page actually is before being able to link to it. Moreover, going back to the old style would not be of much help for those of us in the ACT, as practically every plain suburb title is a disambiguation page due to the way the suburbs were named. Even under the old system, you'd still need to type out Australian Capital Territory every time. We're not the only ones to switch to this relatively recently - the South Africans followed in our footsteps for the same reasons, and I suspect others who are aiming for as detailed coverage as the three of our projects probably will do so too. Ambi 23:28, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

The original guideline was strictly for towns and suburbs. I'm not sure why people think it should be applied to regions, which rarely need it. It certainly hasn't been applied that way by the Americans or South Africans. If you want to move Woden Valley back, I understand entirely. Otherwise, I'd suggest keeping the current situation at Belconnen (Belconnen redirects to the district, which links prominently to the suburb), and moving all the others to just their names. Ambi

[edit] Rank insignia

These images display insignia of a ranks in many nations. International law requires for combatant identification and copyrighting rank insignias violates international law, hence these images cannot be copyrighted and belong to public domain. This applies worldwide.

The images of the Ranks of the Army can be released under this. Mathew Randall 00:00, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: english insignia. Good question. I find that rational a bit confusing. The insignia itself may well not be covered by copyright but any photo of drawing of it should be covered by copyright to the person who tookt he image or drew the drawing. I think that all that that rule really means is that you could take your own photos of the insignia and not be done for copyright infringment. --Martyman-(talk) 23:55, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Reply: It doesnt matter who took the photo because the content is the same. It is a badge of rank and it does not matter if it is a photo or a texta drawing by a three year old. It is a badge of rank and any image of it cannot be copyrighted. That is the way I understand it.

[edit] ADFA and copyright

Hi, I have listed the AustraliaGov template on tfd - since it is completely useless. I have also tagged all the dubious images on ADFA as {{nosource}}. I don't have time today to dig through the massive pdf and check for the copyvios, if it is just lists that have been copied its probably ok, if it is vast chunks of text - ask him nicely to rewrite it, and if he doesn't then revert to the version before he started editing it. Also it might be a good idea to point him in the direction of WP:CITE. --nixie 23:24, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] ADFA Suggestions

Hi. The AFDA article is looking a lot better now, thanks for your work. One thing that grabs me about the article though is it's total lack of wikilinking. If you could link appropriate terms it would be great. I also have some concerns over copyright status. What is the source for the two images you have added to the article, and I notice several sections of text that appear to have been copy and pasted into the article. This type of copyright violation is not acceptable and may result in your recent improvements having to be deleted. What is your opinion on this? --Martyman-(talk) 21:47, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

The source for those two images is a press release from the Australian Defence Force Academy and can be used to advertise the defence academy. (they have therefore been retagged as Publicity photos)

Regarding the text, sorry to inform you Martyman but Orders written by a Commanding Officer or Officer Commanding in the Australian Defence Force are not covered under any form of copyright. Mathew Randall 23:34, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

That is an interesting claim that orders are not covered by copyright. Do you have a resource which backs up this claim? --Martyman-(talk) 23:59, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes the fact that Orders by a military officer are not contained anywhere in the Copyright Act of 1968 (Compilation up to Act amendments up to No.130 - 9 November 2005. As well as the fact that copyright on orders is not specified under the Defence Force Disciplne Act of 1982 (including all amendments since) AND the Defence Act of 1903 (and all amendments since). It simply seems to be something that was spoken and then written. It cannot be copyrighted becuase the copyright was not sought.

Mathew Randall 00:11, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

This agrument actually backs me up. The principle of copyright in Australia is that it is automatic and does not need to be sought. The fact there is no copyright dispensation mentioned anywhere (I too search through the current copyright act) is an indication that military orders should be treated no diffrently to any other work of the commonwealth. --Martyman-(talk) 00:17, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I do not understand how this backs you up. An order given by a superior officer does not necessarly represent anything to do with the commonwealth. A verbal or written order from an officer is NOT a work of the commonwealth. Furthurmore the document in which I got that 3 lines of text is the Academy Standing Orders which is NOT a copyrighted document and is freely available for download and editing.

Mathew Randall 00:23, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I suggest you look up what is covered by crown copyright. Any work produced by someone while employed by the government is automatically covered by crown copyright. Not only that but any work produced by anyone while not employed by the government is automatically copyrighted to them unless explicitly released into the public domain. The fact that the orders are downloadable is no indication that the are not covred by copyright. In fact they are covered by the copyright of the defence website that I already linked to. --Martyman-(talk) 00:28, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I apologise. The 'copyrighted' text has been removed.

Mathew Randall 00:32, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Talk Page Etiquette

If it is bad etiquette to remove things from people's talk pages than I apologise. I was just trying to make what I was saying alot neater.

[edit] ADFA

Well seeing as you are determined to say that they are copyrighted and cannot be shown, how do I delete them.

[edit] Can you help me?

Hi Martyman,

I know we were talking before about the military insignias, and I know you think its questionable but I really think people need to be able to see the rank insignias.

All of those other rank insignias contain this http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:FR-Army-OR9b.gif (The French Army for example)

How do I find that template so I can edit it and add a section for the Australian Army. I cannot find this template anywhere?

I should point out commons has the advantage of then being available to all other language wikipedias as well. Once your local copies of the images are deleted (by an admin) the commons ones will automatically be used instead without having to change any code. Let me know if you hit any problems. --Martyman-(talk) 00:52, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey umm, Just a quick thing. I have to list the article on the 'Articles for Deletion' dont I? Instead of messaging an Administrator to delete it? Mathew Randall 01:13, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for straightening me out on a few points of style.

I've been dabbling around with Wiki for several months now - this is the first major activity I've attempted - thanks for being patient with me!

[edit] re: vandalism

Thanks. I'd actually gone to the history, copied the original text of the bits that were vandalised then edited the article back to what it was, one edit before the vandalism. Okay, that sounded confusing... So really I didn't change anything, it was probably just a long winded way of reverting. :)

Will read the article you sent now.

ElaraAnne 23:38, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Established" infobox fields

Martin, I've been starting on adding infoboxes for the Woden suburbs, but haven't had any luck finding out the dates in which suburbs were actually established. Is there any chance you'd be able to point me in the direction of a useful source? Ambi 15:05, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Ah, thanks a bunch - I hadn't seen that page. I'd been using the gazettal dates as well, but it'd be nice to have something a little more accurate. Ambi 04:54, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tuggeranong

Done. Incidentally, I always thought you were an admin - but a look at Wikipedia:List of administrators suggests otherwise. Are you really not? If so, would you mind if I nominated you? Ambi 10:30, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

That's understandable. I really doubt you'd have much trouble though - I suspect most of the other Australians think you're already an admin and would strongly back you, and I can't see anyone else having any major issues with you. In any case, waiting a while is fair enough, but drop me a line whenever you're up for it and I'll nominate you. :) Ambi 11:38, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jumping Kangaroo picture

Response:

I really like [3] - crop down and bump up the contrast/saturation a bit, it would be the perfect illustration. Stan 03:04, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mother Roo and Her Joey

Hi.

I really like this photo of a mother Roo and her baby in the pouch [4]. Will you release the photo for an upload? I'd be really honored if I can post the photo on my personal talk page. I will not add any modifications or send a copy to any of my friends - truly. The pair is just so cute. The photo looks great just as it is.,,,,,Ariele 00:40, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Thankyou for sharing that photo too...Regards,,Ariele 01:01, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lizards

I don't know as much as I'd like to about lizards, it's definately a large skink, so my guess would be a species from the genus Egernia, in the ACT that could be E. saxatilis or E. whitii or E.cunninghami (8-12 inches), it's not a blue tongue since the skin isn't patterned enough. You might have some luck looking at pic of those species online.--nixie 01:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

• I don't think its Cunningham's now I've done some reading, Cunningham's has spiny scales, you can see it here. I think it might be a Leidopisma skink, I'll keep looking.--nixie 04:50, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
  • You're right, you can clearly see the scales in your other pics. I tagged thouse images, for images lifted from websites and not attributed tag with {{no source|~~~~~}} and when a source is given but there is no licence information tag with{{no licence|~~~~~}}. Youy can notify the uploader following the instruction on the template, but I do so many of these I don't normally bother.--nixie 10:47, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Its no hastle, how do you keep finding them on such random topics? --nixie 10:55, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Change in order in Religion

I am changed the order of Religion of Canberra article on the basis of number of denominations in Canberra because the Roman Catholic is the largest religious denomination in Canberra, Australia in 2001 Census.Thanks.--Australia boy-(talk) 9:40, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dchi3f

What an utter mess. Thanks for cleaning up after this guy. I've blocked him indefinitely and removed his (unsurprisingly, plagiarised) additions to Supreme Court of New South Wales. Adam Carr had already rewritten his additions to Governors of New South Wales beyond recognition. I think that sees it out - have we missed anything else? Ambi 00:34, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tharwa - Geo-stub

Hi Marty. Just wondering if you could give me a bit of guidance? What is the criteria for removing the Canberra geo-stub tag from Tharwa, Australian Capital Territory and what tag should it be replaced with? -- Sincerely, Jtneill - (talk) 22:16, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

So, are there ACT-related pages which are full articles - i.e., beyond stub-status? The bigger picture is that I'm trying to work out "what to do next" to improve the Tharwa, Australian Capital Territory page. Jtneill 23:04, 1 January 2006 (UTC) - (talk)

Thanks for your help adding the Category to Tharwa, Australian Capital Territory and removing the geo-stub - much appreciated - Jtneill 03:32, 2 January 2006 (UTC) (talk)

[edit] Images

Thanks for your comment. Can you explain to me why the third-party restriction matters from Wikipedia's point of view? What third parties do with the images is entirely a matter between those parties and the copyright holder. Surely the purpose of a copyright policy is to protect Wikipedia from litigation. Wikipedia cannot be sued for using an image when the copyright holder has given permission for its use. Adam 09:38, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Geoffrey Hills

I've speedy deleted the article, as it's completely non-notable. I'll keep an eye on it for any recreation. Ambi 12:20, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Britannica

I've have no luck throught the reverse proxy, I think the link to the site is just so you can look up a subject before you go get the hard copy.--nixie 01:00, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

• I just want a couple of articles for fact checking both ways (Britannica has some really dubious statements) and I'm not going back to the lab til next week.--nixie 01:31, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your Graphics

Barnstar moved to front page Hi Martyman. I was very surprised to discover that you don't appear to have received one of these yet. I think you are definitely long overdue! Thanks for all your hard work. -- 06:05, 8 January 2006 (UTC)