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[edit] Letter

Marshall3, This is is meant with all due respect. Have you all seen this article on VMI? I have written a few letters (via the web) to the author but have no response as of yet (The article attacks both our schools for being anti-everything). I will not post a link since it is just trash but wanted to see if you all were responding as well. I think you (we) need to be proud of our heritage do not know why there is backlash due to the move Gods and Generals. Regarding Classical Military school I do not think you can make this claim while many published reports would disagree with you, for example http://www.petersons.com/ugchannel/code/idd.asp?sponsor=36&inunId=5699 Specifically lists The Citadel and VMI as CLASSICAL STATE SUPPORTED MILITARY COLLEGES. I am not trying to troll here but I think you all might be wrong. The night students go to our classrooms. I can assure you that we are arguing semantics? No one here sees them, nor goes to class with them. Most of these students are via our multiple cross registrations. It is a fully seperate operation put in place to sevice a need here in the Low Country. Hell I just got in a fight with some one over that article on VMI. I did not let this clown trash your school, why are you trashing mine? What is the rub that this night program brings? Do you think we are worse off for this graduate school or we are less of a corps? Help me understand the issues with it. These public articles attacking the things/places we hold dear are the kind of stuff we need to fight! V/R Drive23 65.217.57.101 18:00, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Response to Letter

I don't have a rub against your night undergrad or grad programs. You've got a great school. VMI is just unique in that it's the only "classical state military college" out there today. When a VMI guy sees another VMI grad wearing a ring, you know that he or she was a rat at one point and was a cadet. It's something that is unique to VMI. I've met several grads from your school who have stickers on their cars and wear a ring, but were never a cadet. That is foreign to a VMI grad, but does not belittle your school. I'm pointing out a very clear and defined difference between VMI and any other state military college out there today. It only involves the uniqueness of VMI. By stating that we're the only "classical state military college" we are not downing your school, and I hope you don't view it that way in the future. Take Care. Marshall3 17:16, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Understood, I see your point given the CGPS. I have not had many run ins like that but could see where the confusion would come from, and would say that the logic here favors your point. Thanks for the response.
Regarding the Civil War Unit issue. I have been doing two years of work on both our schools (with others) during the Civil War. Would you be willing to hear me out on this issue? In order to ensure that my info is not slanted I have include works by both Citadel and VMI alum and professors. Otherwise it would admittedly come across with a bias. There is a lot of info being lost to history and trying to find some place to represent it.
Thanks in advance for your time, V/R Drive2365.217.57.101 19:11, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Sir, TDY I will post my info on the Civil War once back. Thanks for all you discussion and look forward to your thoughts. Sorry for the delay. V/R Drive 2365.217.57.101 18:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your Thoughts?

First off want to thank you for any consideration on this issue. While, I know it might not make a difference in your thoughts on the subject, it is a great way to discuss our two schools rich history none the less, so thanks. In order to give the best view of my argument about The Citadel in the Civil War lets just revisit the argument. The Citadel did see action as a unit in the Civil War is my assertion. To make my argument I am going to cite info from only readily available historical works.

The first point that always comes up is the The Citadel and The Arsenal (now the University of South Carolina). This point is raised to say that the South Carolina Battalion of cadets was comprised of two schools. This is not correct. The Citadel and The Arsenal were the same school with separate locations. The Arsenal was where cadets did their first year. This was an attempt to spread out the protective nature of the South Carolina Corpse of Cadets to the two major cities in SC, at the time, Charleston and Columbia. Some evidence here comes from Gordon C. Rhea in his book Carrying the Flag page 92 “…the Arsenal Academy in Columbia …where first year cadets at the South Carolina Military Academy were educated, and transferred to the Citadel in Charleston…where cadets spent their final three years…” . So it is correct to say that the Arsenal and Citadel cadets were brigaded together prior to the battle of Tulifinny to form the Battalion of State Cadets, it is a little mis-leading since it was meant only as an administrative move.

With that in mind I hope I have been able to show that as the battle of Tulifinny neared you are looking at not a brigaded set of Cadets from separate schools, but the whole Battalion of State Cadets. At the battle of Tulifinny the cadets were called out to stop a union push towards Charleston. The force that was mustered was a mix of regiments including some SC home guard and militia units. The best short description can be found in Long Grey Lines: The Southern Military School Tradition, 1839-1915 (Pages 30-31) written by Rod Andrew:

“The Cadets, with their fresh uniforms and immaculate drill, presented a stark contrast to the ragged militiamen and older veterans with whom they were soon to fight the Yankees. Veterans wondered aloud whether “those Dandy-Jim looking kids” would fight. The South Carolina cadets did indeed fight well, earning the respect of the veterans and their superior officers. At the resulting Battle of Tulifiny Bridge on December 7, they fought on the defensive for several hours, stubbornly holding their positions. When the enemy in their front broke, they charged and drove them, suffering one killed and seven wounded.” “The Citadel cadets did not know it, but the day they had embarked for Pocataligo would be the last of their academic careers.”

It is important to note here that one thing that is always wrongly put forth by The Citadel faithful regarding the Civil War is the service of the Cadet Rangers. These were cadets from different years who left their studies at The Citadel to from Troop F 6th South Carolina Calvary. They saw much, and important, service in VA with Gen. Wade Hampton (bested Gen. Custer) but can not be counted as actions of the Citadel. However, I would count VMIs actions at First Manassas as actions of your school (my thoughts only). I am not counting this as a unit action but as a credit to the VMI cadets at First Manassas, while not fighting as a unit, they played an important leadership/training role while representing VMI (see the VMI dress blouse in the Manassas at the Visitor Center).

Appreciate your time and thoughts. I am on the road still so this might be choppy and have some bad grammar apologize for that. V/R Drive2365.217.57.101 18:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Rillian

Hi, please leave messages/comments for other users on their talk page. I have moved your comments from User:Rillian to User talk:Rillian. Thanks. ∞Who?¿? 09:40, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] VMI article

Thanks for the comment, I too am looking to create a great VMI Wikipedia article . Some suggestions to help - read Wikipedia:Manual of Style, don't enter misleading or personal attacks in your edit summaries, and most importantly, raise any concerns or suggestions you have for the article on the Talk page Talk:Virginia Military Institute and let's discuss. Rillian 02:09, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] VMI Talk pages

Please stop removing content from Wikipedia; it is considered vandalism. If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox. Archived Talk pages should not be edited and content should not be removed from active Talk pages as they serve as a resource to current and future editors. Rillian 00:33, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Archiving Talk pages

Please note that Archive pages are used when the main Talk page has become so long as to be unwieldy. Moving content you disagree with to an Archive page is considered vandalism and is no different than blanking the page.Rillian 17:51, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The page is not significantly longer than on April 4 and there is no need to move content to an archive page at this time. Thanks, Rillian 17:39, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Talk pages are used to facilitate the editing of articles. Please stop removing comments on open issues. Also, the page is not long enough to warrant archiving just to reduce the length. Thanks Rillian 15:45, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marking edits as "Minor"

You are routinely marking your edits as "Minor". Please see Help:Minor edit for more details but in general any change that affects the meaning of an article is not minor, even if it involves one word.

The distinction between major and minor edits is significant because users cam decide to ignore minor edits when viewing recent changes; logged-in users can even set their preferences to not display them. No one wants to be fooled into ignoring a significant change to an article simply because it was marked "minor." So remember to consider the opinions of other editors when choosing this option. Thanks, Rillian 14:19, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Mediation Cabal

Hi there, it seems you are involved in the Virginia Military Institute case in the Mediation Cabal. Please see this link to voice your thoughts and evidence in the discussion section. Thanks! Cowman109Talk 02:47, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I have updated the case and I'd like to have your input, please. Thanks. Cowman109Talk 15:25, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation

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[edit] Mediation closed

Hi there. I'm sorry to hear that you're unhappy with the mediation case. I was trying to act as a third party and appparently you were unhappy with the case, which is fine. However, in the future please try to remain civil. The language you gave off was innappropriate, and remarks such as those do not promote a positive editing environment. However, if you have any future difficulties I would recommend you see an official mediation process on Wikipedia:Resolving disputes. Happy editing! Cowman109Talk 18:52, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Message

Sir, got your message "Dude, please keep your comments about the citadel off the VMI article. It's completely off-base and ridiculous to edit VMI's article with your slanted citadel view point...not to mention unethical. Please stop.Marshall3 02:37, 17 May 2006 (UTC)" I did not nor would not add anything to the VMI page as noted lots of respect for your school and grads. Hope our past interaction would point to that. What were the edits in question? If it is Citadel guys I will work to stop them as well. Also, saw this stuff about your rings let me know if I can do any research for you as well it is BS it is a known fact. V/R Drive2365.217.57.101 12:06, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Are you talking about an edit for a citation by 68.54.25.39? If so I can not find a talk page for him/her? Thay have been making large scale edits to The Citadel page over the past two days. I have not taken a look at them but will see if they jive.

[edit] VMI Reverts

Please be careful about reverting. You are coming close to violating the rule against reverting an article more than 3 times in a 24 hour period, for which you can be blocked. · Katefan0 (scribble) 15:45, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FYI

Sorry to bother you did not know if you saw this. Might be good info for your site as well. V/R Drive2365.217.57.101 17:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

http://www.kiplinger.com/personalfinance/magazine/archives/2006/02/colleges3.html

[edit] 68.54.25.39

I see more changes from this IP to both our articles. How best to make this stop? Also, we are getting hit by someone every day now. Any advice? V/R Drive23 65.217.57.101 22:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I am trying to block the above address. It is one of our guys and he/she needs to stop screwing with your page. V/R Drive2365.217.57.101 22:26, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VMI vs. The Citadel

If you are going to the game next month let me know if you need a place to stay/tail gate.

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