Talk:Martini (cocktail)
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[edit] Early Unsigned comments
Is pink correct for rosé in french ?
I have no idea of drinks, but anyway I wonder, is really "irrational" a preference of shaken over stirred? Shaking could add more air to the mixture that stirring, and that could have some subtle consequence.
Shaking also chips the ice, which leads to more melting and a more dilute martini.
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- Ice chis detract from the drink aesthetically as well. Ice chips floating around... I really think this should be included as another possible reason for stirring. I know quite a few bartenders and afficianados who specify on this reason alone.
[edit] Gibson
Please see Talk:Gibson for a discussion of how to best disambiguate "Gibson". Thanks. --rbrwr± 10:59, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
[edit] History
About the history, the Martini,Sola & C., which much later became Martini&Rossi, was started in Turin in the distant 1863, and they were surely present in one of the Universal Expositions in Paris of a few years later (I once saw somewhere the original label commemorating the event, and the awarded medal was painted in the label since not so many years ago, perhaps still nowadays). That said, I wouldn't rule out that the name of the cocktail could come from that of the Turin's vermouth maker, God knows, perhaps someone brought that in the US just from that very same exposition. --Alessandro Riolo 19:59, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] James Bond martini
Someone created an article with the rather unwieldy title "Medium Dry Vodka Martini with Lemon Peel, Shaken, not Stirred" which I propose be merged into this Martini cocktail article. Any objections, or other thoughts? Jonathunder 01:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Move to Martini (cocktail)
Any objections to moving this to the disambiguated page title Martini (cocktail)? This drink is practically always called a "Martini", rarely a "Martini cocktail". This would allow linking with the pipe trick: [[Martini (cocktail)|]] shows up as Martini. —Michael Z. 2006-01-30 17:23 Z
[edit] A possible some-argue-ism
"It has also been suggested that the V-shaped glass connotates the symbol of the sacred feminine. This gives the drinker the ability to "drink from a woman," explaining the sex appeal of martinis in popular culture."
Who has suggested this and where? --Ian Maxwell 22:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] shaken not stirred
Someone really ought to go through the whole article and put in the info that in the James Bond novels the martini was originally (and correctly) specified as being "stirred, not shaken". One of the producers of the early Bond films got it screwed up and it has never been straightened out again." Hayford Peirce 23:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Firstly, someone can't spell Ian Fleming, and secondly Bond does indeed order a martini shaken not stirred in the first Bond book Casino Royale (although not in those exact words). I haven't read all the others, so I defer to someone more obsessive than me. I've fixed the spelling, not sure whether to just drop some of the incorrect 007 stuff or amend somehow. Dave Beta 23:45, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
"In addition the drink is a perfect aperitif - it cleanses the mouth before eating - and the tiny air bubbles restrict the gin (or vodka) from reaching all tastebuds. This is why purists would claim that a martini should always be stirred." -- "Perfect apertif" is clearly non-NPOV. The second clause of the sentence is quite possibly counterfactual (it's generally accepted that bubbles in champagne improve the perception of flavor, with smaller bubbles doing a better job than larger ones). And "purists" who advocate against shaking martinis use a variety of appeals, most of them far more vague than an air-bubble theory.
[edit] Martini photo
How about a more archetypical martini photo? The glass currently pictured is abnormally stylish. I primer for martinis should show what the average martini (or matini glass) looks like, not a avant-garde variation.64.134.154.150 17:26, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
- Check out the picture at Manhattan (cocktail) -- I used an ordinary (I think) martini glass that I bought at Bed Bath and Beyond. I could take another photo, this time with a real martini in it. Hayford Peirce 17:47, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
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- That sounds good - I was going to try to find a photo, but I'm fuzzy about fair use laws. But if you take one yourself for wikipedia, that's clearly legal, right?64.134.154.150 14:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
- Absolutely -- in fact, it's about the only image use that no one at all can find fault with under any pretext. I'll mix myself a nice martini tonight or tomorrow and take a photo of it more or less like I did with the manhattan picture, including the contents. Hmmm, I'll have to go buy a bottle of olives.... Hayford Peirce 19:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
- That sounds good - I was going to try to find a photo, but I'm fuzzy about fair use laws. But if you take one yourself for wikipedia, that's clearly legal, right?64.134.154.150 14:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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Hopefully nobody will object to the martini photo I found in the Wikipedia Commons and added. The article seemed like it could use another picture, since there is so much text. --Willscrlt 12:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sweet dark vermouth
It is possible that in Jerry Thomas's trips to Europe he influenced Italy's barmen, where the martini denotes sweet dark vermouth, rather than the cocktail, which is made with dry white vermouth
Which is made with dry white vermouth, the sweet dark vermouth, or the cocktail? —Michael Z. 2006-11-16 07:22 Z
