Talk:Mars trilogy

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Contents 1 Please don't link to the individual characters, unless... 2 New project 3 Split personality 4 Criticisms 5 Alexander Bogdanov - links? 6 Film? 7 Colors 8 Spoiler warning

[edit] Please don't link to the individual characters, unless...

I propose we remove the individual character pages for this book - I mean, delete the pages for Hiroko, Sax, Boone etc...

This is not to criticise the contributions to those pages, but I ask what role these entries have in an encyclopedia?

I am not aware of any of these characters directly influencing other novels or being cited in academic works etc. ie. These characters are not Hamlet, Bloom or Superman - there is nothing more to know about them than you could find out by reading the book - so why do they deserve an encyclopedia entry?

Being a fan of them is not a good enough reason. I like these characters too, but in the absence of evidence of their influence outside the text of the Mars Trilogy, I think the pages should go...

After thinking it over a day or two, I decided that, rather than delete the character pages (many of which were stubs), I merged their content into this page. It just doesn't seem 'encyclopedic' to devote entire articles to fictional characters that have no known literary influence outside the text in which they were first writtern.

As the character's information from the stubs have been merged into the Red Mars article, the individual pages are redundant. Please don't link to them unless these characters prove to have some kind of literary influence beyond the Mars books...

Mercurius 23:27, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

More important than their literary influence is that there isn't enough to say about them to be worth a separate page, with little prospect of there being more to come. And it's not like this page is overloaded.

I don't recall where Coyote came from; is Trindad a misspelling of Trinidad?
--wwoods 22:44, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] New project

Just a heads-up for KSR/Mars fans - a few of us from The Demimonde have launched a new KSR wiki project, entitled The Kim Stanley Robinson Encylopedia. Editors needed! http://ksrwiki.philosophicalzombie.net/wiki

[edit] Split personality

How exactly does Ann develop a split personality? She eventually comes to an appreciation of Terraformed Mars, but... Kit 06:00, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Criticisms

I think you may be right that the huge list of criticisms that somebody added are out of place in this article. However, such criticisms are not unheard of on the wikipedia. For example: Criticisms of The Da Vinci Code, Biological Issues in Jurassic Park, Criticism of Family Guy, and Criticism of Halo 2. These demonstrate that the wikipedia allows articles of criticism of a variety of media. I think that, in this vein, someone could set up a Criticisms of the Mars Trilogy article and link to it from this page. I think that acknowledging the controversies in the book also acknowlegdes its importance and impact. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.187.0.164 (talk • contribs).

I think criticism should be in the article itself, it must be encyclopedic tho. -- Jeandre, 2006-03-28t19:46z

Did you read the list? Some of the points made were reasonably encyclopedic. With a little editing (or a lot, depending on how you define 'encyclopedic') you (meaning someone) should be able to bring it up to standards.

You could also read the policies refered to, particularly Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No Original Research to see what's meant by "encyclopedic". siafu 04:11, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alexander Bogdanov - links?

Just an extract from Alexander Bogdanov article, discussing Bogdanov's novel Red Star:

Red Star was one of the inspirations for Red Mars, an award-winning science fiction novel by Kim Stanley Robinson. Bogdanov is the surname of the character Arkady (perhaps the first name is a nod to the Russian science fiction writer Arkady Strugatsky, although this is not confirmed) who is also a fictional descendant of Alexander Bogdanov.

?ellol 15:59, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Film?

Am I nuts, or was there talk of a Sci-Fi channel made for tv film based on Red Mars? I can't find mention of it anymore, but I could have sworn it was going to happen. 70.105.117.116 12:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Colors

So I was looking over the page and I notice that some of the boxes at the right of the page are different colors. But I couldn't find anywhere where it explains what the colors are supposed to designate. Am I just missing it or should something be put in to help the uninformed reader? Also, it seems that the blocks are off—the text is aligned with the preceding box.

It seems that it used to represent political affiliation (red, green, UN, ...) GrAfFiT^{Talk Contribs} 06:50, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

If that's the case it's not very consistent. Either way, some sort of key should still be put in to explain it.

Pyllis Boyle's name in her box is unreadable. A near-white gray against light yellow background does not have enough contrast. People, don't assume that everyone has your monitor and your eyes. MichaelSH 04:07, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Enough time has passed. I changed color so now there is some contrast instead of being nearly identical foreground (fff) and background (ff8) colors. MichaelSH 03:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spoiler warning

This article should have a "Spoilers End Here" tag at the point where spoilers end. --Mr. Billion 02:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC)