Talk:Mars Bar party
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For a May 2005 deletion debate over this page see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Mars Bar party
This entry, one of an unprecedented 52, has won the September 2005 West Dakota Prize, awarded for successfully employing the expression "legend states" in a complete sentence.
So, what's the best way to handle a mythical sex practice like the "Mars Bar party"? There are a ton of other such imagined perversions -- gerbilling, the "Dirty Sanchez", etc. -- that make the rounds of teenagers and shock-jock radio shows. The Mars Bar story is false -- see http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/marsbar.htm -- and apparently this sex practice myth is localized to Great Britain. Is there a way to rewrite this article? Is it worth it? -- ESP 17:21 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Eeep -- I forgot to mention -- the main appeal of mythical sex practices is their obscure names. A more cosmopolitan speaker gets to make off-hand references to the practice and then explain the procedure to more innocent colleagues. This probably explains the desire to define the terms in Wikipedia -- "Look at me, I know this word." -- ESP 17:28 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- While the specific incident with Jagger, etc (probably) never happened, I expect that this has been tried by a number of people for real. Food as part of sex is common enough, and really weird choices of phallic substitutes are well-documented. Of course, you can't prove a negative,. Martin 00:24 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)
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- No, but you can prove a positive. I can't find any reference to this practice except in British teenage banter and the Snopes article. Unless someone comes up with a real reference, I'll put this in NPOV and give the real deal. I'm pretty sure it's not encyclopedic, though. -- ESP 22:40 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)
If the Jagger incident is the original source for the term, that information should be here. Evercat 23:09 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- It's untrue! A passing reference is all that's needed, not the full lurid details. It's slander, it's untrue, it doesn't belong in Wikipedia. -- ESP 23:10 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)
It's not slander to report on the rumour, and state (as we have done) that it's almost certainly false. I think it does belong here. Would anyone give a third opinion? :-) Evercat 23:11 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- Hurgh. OK, I'll save my Edit War Ammunition for a more reasonable subject. I stand by my point (except it's libel, not slander, since it's written), but I don't see the point in continuing this. -- ESP 23:19 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Well, I don't want to bully you into submitting :-) but I think the stuff you removed is useful background that lets me know more about the history of the subject. Again, it's not libelous to report the original libelous story, especially when we say it's false. Evercat 23:22 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- What, you want to keep reverting my changes over my objections, but not call it bullying? Yes, that's bullying. You're wrong on this story and simply repeating lubricious rumors with a minor disclaimer. -- ESP 23:31 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Well, I could equally say that you want to keep removing perfectly good info over my objections, and call that bullying. I thought I'd conducted this (minor) contoversy in a good spirit. I'm surprised at your tone. Evercat 23:35 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- Here's the current case law on reporting rumors: http://www.gannett.com/go/newswatch/2001/april/nw0427-4.htm -- ESP 23:41 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)
So I suppose snopes.com is totally illegal, then? We don't have a minor disclaimer, we have a very major one: "Those present say that the reports were completely untrue, and this incident is widely regarded as an urban myth." Evercat 23:44 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- It's a shame this article has been deleted. :( Martin
[edit] Hmmm
Okay, I first heard this term when I was in Junior school. I was about 9 years old. I am 26 now. I was shocked back then when a couple of the popular girls claimed to have participated in a "Mars Bar Party". Being bored today, and remembering some of the things I learnt from school, I searched "Mars Bar Party" on the net to see if the things those girls told us it involved were actually true to the term. I read about the Mick Jagger rumour (where the term is believed to have originated from), and I am even more shocked that a group of 9-year-old girls would speak of such a thing, let alone say they did it! It's a term I have heard repeated a lot throughout my years since those days in Junior school. Quite a few people I have mentioned it to seem to know what a Mars Bar Party is supposed to be. I think it deserves an entry on Wikpedia because it's a term that surfaces every now and again in the underground circles of British culture. Dictionaries have included newer terms than this over the years. Hell, most of them still print archaic entries! It probably isn't known anywhere else in the world, but it's become a somewhat cult sexual practice reference here in the UK! - Nat
[edit] this article makes me wanna vomit! - Anonymous
[edit] Rewrite
So following the VfD result, I did a bit of rewriting on it ... seems like I've put back some information that has already been removed a couple of years ago. However, the same information is both in the Mars bar entry and on snopes.com, not to mention a host of other websites and Wiki mirrors.
Although it's reasonably common knowledge (see above), I don't seem able to substantiate that this is a British-only term (and in fact, during my cursory research an Australian friend demonstrated knowledge of it), so I've left that out pending a source. Vashti 22:04, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
