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[edit] Relations

This section could use some trimming or possibly complete removal. —The Great Llama moo? 21:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The unsourced comparison to Superman/Bizzaro should probably be the first thing cut. Jay32183 22:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What nationality is Mario?

I am foreigner. Sorry for my awkward English.

Is it true that Mario is Italian? Of course, he speaks Italian very occasionally, but he usually uses American English. According to Japanese Wikipedia , Some people think Mario is Italian because of his appearances and behaviors. Other people think he is American who is merely good at speaking Italian. In fact, we don't know what official nationality he is. In any case, he lives in Mushroom Kingdom. We can guess therefore he is not Italian or American but a people of Mushroom Kingdom.

How do you feel? 211.129.162.191 02:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

That sounds like original research. I don't know how things work on ja, but here on en we need to source our information. If there's not a source for Mario being Italian, we'll have to add one.
Also, your English is quite good. I wouldn't worry about it. Andre (talk) 03:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
In the games, Mario was never described as being from Italy. The only info we have to go on regarding his background, is the game Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, where it has Mario and Luigi being "born" in the Mushroom Kingdom. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 04:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for showing your opinions. Japanese wikipedians also regard original research as rough manners. The guess that Mario is a people of the Mushroom Kingdom is based on the discussion of the page of Mario in Japan.
By the way, I have a question. According to the English page, "Mario is depicted as a short, pudgy Italian plumber who lives in the Mushroom Kingdom..." Which do you interpret the word Italian plumber, as a plumber who is Italian in nationality or as a plumber who comes from Italy? 211.129.162.191=60.39.45.153 14:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
The Italian bit mainly comes from the way his voice actor (Charles Martinet) portrays him. Martinet's voiceover work for Mario (as well as Luigi, Wario and Waluigi) clearly has an Italian accent, although this may be because Mario is a popular Italian name. Another Mushroom Kingdom resident, Toadsworth (who is also voiced by Martinet) is given British speach patterns, but is not considered to be from England or the surrounding areas. Perhaps, the Mushroom Kingdom is broken into many territories like Earth is, and the different countries within it reflect the "real world" in some way. Whether or not this is the case remains to be determined. Perhaps someday Nintendo will elaborate on this, then again, they might like to keep it vague so the fans can determine for themselves. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 15:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
It has also been mentioned that Mario was born in Brooklyn, so maybe he is Italian-American. Marcus 21:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
The Brooklyn part was made up for the cartoons and the movie, and is considered non-canon. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 01:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Look what I found...

Hey, check this out! http://sonic.sega.jp/event/006/images/006_sonic.gif Think we should mention it in the article? Just a thought...--Superbub 20:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Baby Mario

This section looks like it talks a lot about the games Baby Mario appears in, such as the gameplay and storyline, rather than simply talking about the character. The story and gameplay should only be included when it provides context. If some of this could be removed, so that the article would be more focused, then it would also have the benefit of making more of the article real world significant, rather than just the in universe significance. Does that make sense? Jay32183 22:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pro's and Con's of Mario and Communism

A few of you out there have heard of the 'argument' that Super Mario Brothers was 'communist propeganda' in the form of a parody. It would be possibly worthy of mentioning but it would hardly be encyclopedia like. Any discussion on this? [www.communist-mario.com]VentusIgnis 02:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not something important to this article. We don't need to reference evrytime Mario is used in a bit of humor. Jay32183 03:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mario's picture

Mario's typical look and his Super Smash Bros. look are two different things. Just look at Bowser's typical look compared to Bowser in Super Smash Bros. Melee. If you want the most general picture of Mario, use

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/15/Mario2small.jpg

because the way Mario looks in the article now is limited to the Super Smash Bros. series.

That's what the image originally was; someone just recently changed it. I've changed it back. —The Great Llamamoo? 00:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In mass media

In Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door, Mario is given the stage name of "Great Gonzales" during his battles in Glitzville. Before a climatic battle, one of the audience members refers to Mario as "Jumpman," poking fun at Mario's past identity. Mario got his name from Nintendo of America's landlord, Mario Segali. Before that, he did not have a name and was referred to simply as "Jumpman". Mario's nickname in Mario Hoops 3 on 3 is "The Jumpman", again making reference to his original name. Mario is currently voiced by Charles Martinet, who voices Luigi, both their baby counterparts, Wario, Waluigi, and other characters such as Donkey Kong.[15].

This section of the text seems to have nothing to do with mass media. Any duplicate information should be deleted, and the rest, if relevant, should be moved to the appropriate place, such as concept and creation. Jay32183 23:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Done, might still need some cleanup, though. I've also deleted the header "In mass media" since that section is now so small. —The Great Llamamoo? 00:07, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Feel Bad about asking this

As far as linking goes, there are a few sites I could think of adding, at first I thought they were too unsignificant based off of that note left on the links, but then I saw Super Mario Legacy, a new and rather dry website, added in. So what are the specifics to adding a site to the page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.129.94.190 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Citation Added

I added a citation to the sales information. Please give me your input and tell me if it wwas accurate, etc. King Toadsworth "The Princess is in Another Castle (Again)" 04:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Occupation and hobbies

Should the part about Mario and Luigi's personalities in the show be removed? It's not canon. —The Great Llamamoo? 22:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

That's an interesting thought. Another thing to consider would be is it reasonable to assume the average reader would be familiar with it or care to know about it. I think some readers would be interested in knowing there are different versions, but they probably don't care too much about the fine details. Jay32183 23:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] inline citations

I think the {{Cite video game}} template might help add some of those inline citations you're looking for. That way when the information comes straight from a game you can still add a citation. Hope this helps you guys. Jay32183 02:25, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Number of Mario Games Sold

The article states that the series has sold 285 million, but it source states that it hasn't even sold 200 million (193 million as of September 2006). 18:07, 7 December 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.19.141.251 (talk) 23:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

It used to say 185 million, I dont know why it changed. Jay32183 23:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Quickly looking over some old article versions, there was a source stating that over 275 million games featuring Mario have been sold, but there is a significant difference between having Mario in the game and being a Mario game. The more than 193 million figure fits the statement better. Dancter 23:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mario's up for Good Article Review

Mario's up for WP:GA/R - concern seems to be about the citations - criteria 2a and 2d have been named specifically. - Malkinann 08:09, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Baby Mario II

Upon reading this article, I was thinking that Baby Mario should probabyl have its own article. There could be a small section in this article about him, but I feel that it's taking away a bit from Mario as a whole since BM has so much information. Figured I'd throw this out there as I have no idea what the consensus would be between everyone. --Wizardman 18:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I thought about this before and I think it’s a great idea. Besides, this section still seems to describe his role in various games more then it actually describes his characteristics. Personally I think if any reference is made to Baby Mario at all, it should rather brief. Therefore, I think that either the section should be shorten or it should be split up into its on article. Does anyone else agree? Master Strike 15:57, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I've been wanting it shortened because it goes into too much game detail. Last time I checked there was more gameplay detail on Baby Mario than Mario as a whole in the "Appearances" section. That seems to be undue focus, which would prevent this from becoming a Featured Article which requires staying focused. Jay32183 18:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I just realized that Baby Mario redirects to Mario. There's a problem in itself. I'll make a Baby Mario article and just have a mention in here. It may take me some time, so if anyone's not busy and wants to move the info, go for it. --Wizardman 19:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
You should be able to write over the redirect. If you get there through the "What links here" button on the side of the screen you can get to the redirect page without it redirecting you here. Jay32183 19:08, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I see you were bold and separated Baby Mario. Do you have a plan for a one-paragraph summary style section or should we discuss how to do that? Jay32183 21:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
That was fast... Yeah, what I'll do is add in at least a little bit of Baby Mario and the connection, though whatever I do wil certainly have to be improved. --Wizardman 21:26, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mario got put as the #1 franchise of all time from www.ign.com

Subject says it all, my source is this: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/749/749069p5.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.117.209.109 (talk) 08:54, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

This article is about Mario as a fictional character not a gmae series. If the is an article on the series then that information should go there. Jay32183 17:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opinion

He is considered the most well-rounded character in the series.

Wouldn't this be more of a opinion than a fact? I realize that in nearly all other games (Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, Mario 3-on-3) Mario is listed as "All-Around." However, in Super Smash Brothers and the sequels, I'm not sure if he's well-rounded, much less "the most" well-rounded. He is usually considered middle-weight, but I have opinions that he is a bit better in the air than on the ground, and also think he lacks far range attacks. This is just my opinion however, don't bite. =P ...My first post, if I did anything wrong, or have any tips, please comment. Yellow Panda 00:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC) 12/12/06 Yellow Panda

Usually his games say that he has no glaring weaknesses or strengths. He's just average. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 01:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
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