Talk:Mariah Carey singles discography

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This should be moved to Mariah Carey discography. Teklund 3 July 2005 18:39 (UTC)


If the singles were not released, why are so many of them included in her singles discography. Its like someone is listing the entire tracklist of her albums.

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Yeah, i agree. There are too many. An anon made the articles for "stay the night" and "mine again", and i don't think either really needs to be included in this list. --Musicpvm 11:42, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Where I see agreement, there I act. (Actually I often act where I don't see agreement, but let's not get into that.) --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:57, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I'll also remove "Irresistible" and "You Got Me". Neither songs were singles, and both articles were created by anons and need major cleaning up. The anon actually replaced a disambiguation page with the "Irresistable" article, so I'll revert that back. --Musicpvm 20:45, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
I've just linked Teklund's message (at the top), and seen that there is a relevant article; isn't he right?
Well, I've researched some of the songs myself, and though some of these newly added singles are promos only ('Irresistible' & 'You Got Me'), they are singles nonetheless. However, I do agree that, for the time being, songs that are 'technically' singles (not including 'Stay the Night'/'Mine Again', but songs such as 'Till The End of Time' and 'Miss You') should remain on list, except without links to articles. A while back, I did the same thing for four songs ('Bliss', 'After Tonight', 'Want You', & 'X-Girlfriend'), which were all promo-only singles, and listed them without links (until someone removed them). I suggest this should be done for the time being until appropriate, Wikipedia-standard articles can be provided. BTW, I'm in process of tidiying some of the newly added 'singles' so please don't delete them until its official that they are not singles or nothing could be done to make them into appropriate articles, Thanks alot.--Grey Pursuit 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Bliss, After Tonight, and X-Girlfriend were only released as fake singles OmegaWikipedia 20:19, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

How can she have 22 million US singles & 50 million world wide, when the listed sales don't add up to that amount? --ThisIsMyName 18:18, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Certain songs should remain on this list because of their international releases. (ex. 'Can't Take That Away (Mariah's Theme)', not 'Crybaby', was released in Canada and Brazil; 'Reflections (Care Enough)' was released as a single only in Japan and certain Asian countries, that however shouldn't undermine its release as an official single.) Also, something should be done with the promo-only singles not featured in this discography - 'Underneath The Stars', 'Last Night a DJ Saved My Life', 'The One', etc. - because in their respective articles, their still referred to as 'singles', not plainly as Mariah Carey 'songs'. I find this to be misleading to readers who stumble upon these articles and are unable to find them located in the main singles discography. Thanks. (btw, sorry for my hiatus, I've been editing off my login) --Grey Pursuit 18:18, 24 December 2005 (UTC) Is this the truth about We Belong Together selling 5.5million copies. I strongly doubt that! Its more close to 1million isnt it? -- It is impossible for We Belong Together to have sold 5.5 million copies. How many copies has it sold in the United States? Her United States sales account for almost 3/4 of the sales of that single since Mariah is not that succesful in other countries. And that song wasn't succesful worlwide it only reached #1 in like 7 countries if i'm not mistaken. 200.56.180.38 03:05, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Why are the limited/promo singles not included in the chart? I mean they're technically still singles and it seems odd that a song like Underneath The Stars which was on Mariah's greatest hits album and was released to many radio stations isn't on the list! Forever and Butterfly, for example, were also airplay only but are on the chart. The Roof was released as a single in some countries, while Sweetheart was released as a single in the U.S. (but retracted) and in Europe. These songs were singles (though maybe not technically in the U.S.), but they were still singles and should be on the list! Most of the songs not in the chart had singles, were released to radio, and had music videos...what more is necessary?

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[edit] Page protection

The recent protection of the article by Journalist (talk • contribs) may require some explanation. I hope the issue would be resolved without administrator intervention, but I feel that protecting the page was the only option and thank Journalist for doing so, since it has been going on for weeks now (see the history). Vorash (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log) has been repeatedly reverting attempts made to remove uncited sales figures from the article without adequate discussion or explanation, and his blanket reverts have been undoing dozens of good edits made to the article in the meantime. This originally started back in January when I removed material which I believed to be unsourced; Vorash subsequently reverted, and continued to do so after that (see, for example, [1] and [2]). I dropped the issue after I noticed some websites included within the article's references section, but upon closer investigation they do not support the material that Vorash insists on reinserting time after time. He has also reverted without edit summaries and marks reverts as "minor" edits, despite being requested not to do so. As can be read at user talk:Vorash, I referred him to the appropriate policy and guideline pages, and his response was to call my message "bullshit" and accuse me of vandalising the article [3]; he continues to refer to me as a "vandal" in his edit summaries even though I have asked him not to.

This has gone beyond a content dispute; it's a case of a stubborn and unresponsive user performing blind reverts to a weeks-old version of an article which border on vandalism, and this can all be seen in the page's edit history (see [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9] and [10]). This revert, for example, re-introduced a factual inaccuracy into the article which had been previously removed (and was only spotted again a few days ago). Recently anon 85.64.227.133 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log) mysteriously took over and started reverting to the exact same version, and after he/she was blocked because of a 3RR violation Klppaa (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log) also performed an identical revert. As user talk:Vorash indicates, myself and other users have tried to get him to discuss the issue, but he just carries on reverting with no consideration for the edits he is undoing. Vorash, your behaviour and attitude are unproductive, and it would be appreciated if you were to find reliable sources for the sales figures you insists on reinserting into the article. Otherwise, your reverts will continue to be undone and you may become the subject of a request for comment, which will most likely lead to punitive action against you. Please reconsider and think twice about what you're doing. Thanks. Extraordinary Machine 13:45, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I hope that an RfC does not have to be filed. Let us attempt to build an encyclopedia and not damage the content that has been provided. Sales figures may be difficult to locate, but this does not mean they should be inserted within the article without sources. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. —Eternal Equinox | talk 14:41, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree, though I hope that Vorash will accept the invitation to discuss the issue. For those who are interested, the version without the sales figures is here, and the version with them is here. The diff can be seen here. Extraordinary Machine 22:18, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Differences in chart positions

The Mariah Carey article lists "Don't Forget About Us" as the singer's eighth Japanese number-one single, however, this article lists the song as a top-sixty success. Could somebody please provide sources for this? According to the Japanese figures of Carey's chart positions on MariahCharts, the song did not reach a peak position of number one. Are there anymore citations that could be referred to? —Eternal Equinox | talk 14:41, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

It's possible that the MariahCharts page was last updated when "Don't Forget About Us" was still ascending the Tokyo Hot 100. We don't know that for sure, though, so it's best not to edit it back in. Extraordinary Machine 22:18, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
It is unlikely for a single to ascend the Japanese singles chart, and therefore, I am led to believe that it did not reach the top position. However, MariahCharts certainly may have not been updated since the most recent figures of the Tokyo Hot 100; I believe it best to wait a bit longer. —Eternal Equinox | talk 02:02, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Official Japanese Chart Positions

Could somebody fix the Japanese chart positions in the discography and the main page? They all allude to some radio station's airplay chart, and not to the actual official single sales chart. This is the official one. Japanese people don't usually buy western artists' singles, which is why all this 'Japan #1 stuff' suprised me. Oricon is the Billboard of Japan, and no other sites should be trusted with chart positions because they're not the official charts backed with sales figures. I'll type out the figures/titles in English.

  • All I Want for Christmas is You (Jap Title:Koibito-tachi no Christmas [恋人たちのクリスマス]). Was used as the drama 29-sai no Christmas (29才のクリスマス)'s theme song, which is why it was so popular. It sold app. 1,300,000 units, according to the Japanese Wikipedia.
Peacked #2, charted in the top 200 for 16 weeks.
(1996 Re-issue) Peacked #70, charted in the top 200 for 2 weeks.
(Millennium remix) Peacked #43, charted in the top 200 for 1 week.
  • Fantasy
Peacked #18, charted in the top 200 for 6 weeks.
  • Through the Rain
Peaked #26, charted in the top 200 for 7 weeks.
  • Heartbreaker
Peaked #37, charted in the top 200 for 5 weeks.
  • Honey
Peaked #39, charted in the top 200 for 3 weeks.
  • When You Believe
Peaked #45, charted in the top 200 for 7 weeks.
  • Loverboy
Peaked #52, charted in the top 200 for 2 weeks.
  • Against All Odds (Take a Look at Me Now) (Jap Title:Mitsumete Hoshii [見つめて欲しい])
Peaked #78, charted in the top 200 for 1 week.
  • Always Be My Baby
Peaked #79, charted in the top 200 for 2 weeks.
  • One Sweet Day
Peaked #87, charted in the top 200 for 2 weeks.
  • Emotions
Peaked #90, charted in the top 200 for 1 week.
  • It's Like That
Peaked #130, charted in the top 200 for 1 week.

Also the JA Wikipedia says that Thank God I Found You was used as the Nescafé Santamarta commercial's song in Japan. --Mahogany h00r 12:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

As you have mentioned above, I agree as I know Oricon is the official chart used in Japan that determines sales and airplay figures and is the Japanese equivalent to Billboard Magazine and ARIA. The positions featured on the discography page and the individual single articles are from the "Hot 100" chart of a Tokyo-based radio station, J-Wave. They are not official chart positions. Thus, I will remove them for now, unless someone would like to put it back with the correct Oricon chart positions. Oh yeh, I'm back :) Grey Pursuit 18:31, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dashes and n/a's

I used "n/a" for singles that weren't released or were ineligible to appear on a particular chart, and "—" to indicate that it was released but didn't chart. I think it's very important for the article to distinguish between the two. Extraordinary Machine 20:24, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh okay. I just assumed that the problem was that no one wanted to spend time using a uniform symbol or whatever. Sorry about that.

Btw, I have a question about the inclusion of "Everytime I Close My Eyes". I'm pretty sure its been discussed about it NOT being a Carey single, but rather featuring her as a backup vocalist, not a main vocalist. Does that constitute as her being a featured artist and thus it being one of her singles? I'm trying to find a direct reference, but you could propably correct me beforehand. Thx. Grey Pursuit 02:47, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

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