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Mh. What exactly is the flag between Italy and Germany, on the right side? —Nightstallion (?) 12:42, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
- It's the Free Territory of Trieste. It should've been red though, not blue [1]. — Domino theory 09:45, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks! Well, we probably should be glad the Americans figured out which flags belonged to which European countries and which flags should therefore be included... ;) —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 20:30, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
- It is interresting that while Trieste has been included, other special status territories of the era like Saar and West Berlin has been left out. Perhaps Trieste independently recieved support from the Marshall Plan, while the others didn't? -- Domino theory 21:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
- If I recall correctly, wasn't Trieste an independent state, while Saar and West Berlin were special administrative areas of France and West Germany, respectively? —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 15:14, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I believe that you are right in that Trieste was the only one of the three that nominally had a sovreign status, but this was effectively undermined by Italy and Yugoslavia to the extent that they decided to divide the territory between them in 1954. Italy was critizised in the West for allowing an Eastern country to effectively extend its territory at the height of the Cold War, but not much seems to have been directed against the undermining of soverign government. The Saar was a German territory under what was effectively French suzerainty, until a plebiscite made incorporation into West Germany inevitable. Berlin on the other hand was a German territory that was under allied military occupation under four power agreement from 1945 until 1990. West Berlin was the joint administration of the U.S., British and French sectors of occupation, whose inhabitants where citizens in, but the territory not part of, West Germany. Another quirk was that trade between East and West Germany was not classified as import or export in economic terms, but "internal" German trade. I believe that the same might have applied to the Saar. -- Domino theory 21:01, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
- I was aware of most of that, but still, thanks for summing it up so nicely for anyone else wondering about this. ;) —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 11:40, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
- Well, as long as we were on the topic. :) -- Domino theory 21:52, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
- I was aware of most of that, but still, thanks for summing it up so nicely for anyone else wondering about this. ;) —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 11:40, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I believe that you are right in that Trieste was the only one of the three that nominally had a sovreign status, but this was effectively undermined by Italy and Yugoslavia to the extent that they decided to divide the territory between them in 1954. Italy was critizised in the West for allowing an Eastern country to effectively extend its territory at the height of the Cold War, but not much seems to have been directed against the undermining of soverign government. The Saar was a German territory under what was effectively French suzerainty, until a plebiscite made incorporation into West Germany inevitable. Berlin on the other hand was a German territory that was under allied military occupation under four power agreement from 1945 until 1990. West Berlin was the joint administration of the U.S., British and French sectors of occupation, whose inhabitants where citizens in, but the territory not part of, West Germany. Another quirk was that trade between East and West Germany was not classified as import or export in economic terms, but "internal" German trade. I believe that the same might have applied to the Saar. -- Domino theory 21:01, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
- If I recall correctly, wasn't Trieste an independent state, while Saar and West Berlin were special administrative areas of France and West Germany, respectively? —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 15:14, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
- It is interresting that while Trieste has been included, other special status territories of the era like Saar and West Berlin has been left out. Perhaps Trieste independently recieved support from the Marshall Plan, while the others didn't? -- Domino theory 21:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks! Well, we probably should be glad the Americans figured out which flags belonged to which European countries and which flags should therefore be included... ;) —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 20:30, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
