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Contents 1 Football 2 Football players—the end 3 Orphaned fair use image (Image:Pl 716972.jpg) 4 Orphaned fair use image (Image:Pl pl 704916.jpg)

[edit] Football

My edits were not "careless". The names of these articles should follow a standard form; there are variations as to "American football", "football player", "football", etc. I was going with the most logical of the options that I discovered. "Football" is known everywhere in the world other than the U.S. and Canada to mean "soccer". Since Wikipedia is neither American nor Canadian some descriptor should be used to distinguish their type of "football" from the rest of the world's. No links are broken at this point; there are some double-redirects that I will fix; you're more than welcome to help if you like. I've suspended any further edits; I'm not sure where this discussion needs to take place, but a naming convention needs to be devised. As for "less-experienced" editors, the term is relative—however, I seem to be a more experienced editor than you are, so perhaps I'm more familiar with issues that you haven't considered and know about things like naming conventions. Thanks.—Chidom ^talk  23:37, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand your example using Chris Baker. His article was not renamed; is there a link in another article that points to "Chris Baker (American football)" rather than "Chris Baker (football player)"? That shouldn't be so; I thought I reverted all the edits I did to broken links, leaving only links to "Joe Doe (American football)" if I had already moved that article to that name. If you're concerned with folks writing the wrong link in the future, if they do, it will show in red and they'll need to find out what the proper name of the article is—as they have to do now, as they are not named in a consistent way.—Chidom ^talk  23:56, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I reverted the change to Chris Baker's link in the 2006 New York Jets season article; the latest version has the correct link. However, one of his links there points to the disambiguation page rather than his specific page; that should probably be fixed.—Chidom ^talk  00:10, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

My bad; I didn't read the timestamp of your first comment and had no idea that you had posted before I made the reverts. There shouldn't be any red links as a result of my renaming pages at this point.—Chidom ^talk  00:17, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Football players—the end

My profound apologies for all of this. I recently discovered Wikipedia:Naming conventions, which says, in part:

"If you wish to propose a new naming convention, do so on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions, and also explain the proposal at Requests for comment and the Village Pump, as well as at any related pages. Once a strong consensus has formed, it can be adopted as a naming convention and listed below." (on the naming convention list)

I won't go into a long, drawn-out explanation of how I got started on this; suffice it to say that there is a gay porn star with the same name as a football player.

I've now finished updating all the article links so that they bypass the redirect pages that were created when I moved the original pages. I've also been informed that this was incorrect as well, and there's a whole section on it at Wikipedia:Redirect#Don't fix links to redirects that aren't broken.

In my own defense, my changing all the redirect links may save server time (and money) in the future. Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects states: "In other words, readers of Wikipedia would have to use a redirect link about 10,000 times before it would be worthwhile to replace that link with a direct link." Arguably, most of these links will be used 10,000 times or more.

Lastly, let me apologize again for the confusion this has caused and reiterate that I am bowing out of the discussion. I feel that a convention does need to be created, but I'm not all that big a sports fan to start with, so I'll leave it to folks more familiar with the nuances.

I'm posting this at several user talk pages in response to comments made on my talk page about this; if you have further comments, please make them on my talk page. Thanks.

Thanks.—Chidom ^talk  03:09, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:Pl 716972.jpg)

Thanks for uploading Image:Pl 716972.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image is unlicensed for use on Wikipedia and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 20:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:Pl pl 704916.jpg)

Thanks for uploading Image:Pl pl 704916.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image is unlicensed for use on Wikipedia and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 17:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)