Talk:Manu Ginobili

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What's up man tough lost last night it's cool when everyone get's 100% you'll are unbeatable.

Denver choach was very impotent whe he said that Manu is a bad example of basketball. He is a great mix of effort and bball IQ.

Contents 1 Salary? 2 Controversial 3 Neutrality 4 Lose the accent? 5 Flopping

[edit] Salary?

what is his salary right now? How about in previous years? Funkyj 19:23, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC)

If you're wondering about salaries, this website might be able to help you. [[1]]

Dknights411 02:59, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Controversial

why was Argentina's second place in the world championships controversial??

Because of a non-called foul at the very end of the match, that would have given ARG 2 shots to win the game. -Mariano 11:06, 2005 Jun 25 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality

This page needs us to keep an eye on it. Someone keeps trying to make it a fan page. Antonio's Got It by Basketballrama Martin

I personally did not have a problem with POV issues on this page until I saw the chages made. When I have time later today, I'll NPOV the whole page.Dknights411 14:14, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lose the accent?

IIRC it's Ginobili, no accent. elpincha 17:31, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

While it's obviously not used very often in the English-speaking media, I think the accent is correct. (see [2] and [3]). EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 17:50, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, no accent required. His surname is "Ginobili" which is Italian. There is no "ó" in the Italian language. The "ó" in his name is included when it's transliterated into Spanish (he's Italian-Argentinian) for pronunciation purposes, so in English this character is not at all recognised. Considering this article is in English, its appearance is superfluous. Downwards 22:01, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I think the current revision is fine and suits the translation well. However, it should also be noted that Manu's native language is Spanish, so people around him may have been spelling it Ginóbili most of his life. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 21:04, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

"""Manu's native language is Spanish, so people around him may have been spelling it Ginóbili most of his life."""

Actually, no, that's not true, because half of the Argentines surnames are Italian and we know how to spell them, maybe that happen with the German surnames that are many in Argentina too but not as many as the Italian, Though the German most of the times are spelled correctly too.

Trelew Girl |3rd August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flopping

There have been many attempts in the past to add something about Ginobili's "flopping" to this page. While they have been removed as commentary and against our neutral point of view policy, I think the accusations are common enough that we have to make some kind of neutral point of view attempt to add it to the page. My suggestion is as follows, to be added directly after the sentence about critics such as George Karl:

These critics frequently accuse Ginobili of "flopping," or exaggerating the amount of contact that occurs when he is playing defense. This technique is common in soccer (where it is known as diving), a sport Ginobili played when he was younger.

Please note, I am a huge San Antonio Spurs and Manu Ginobili fan, but I feel the article is somewhat incomplete without something to this effect. Any comments or suggestions about how to make such a sentence better? EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 00:39, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I was really looking for a more neutral way to address this. The last attempt (mainly through a technique known a "flopping") would probably have been fine without the word mainly, but I was just learly of anything that came across as random sports smack talk. The perception of him as a flopper is real, however, and you're right; it should be addressed in the article.

Your proposed addition looks perfect, assuming no one else objects - just make sure you put a "see talk page discussion" in the edit summary to avoid drive-by reverts. Kuru ^talk 01:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I've gone ahead and made this addition. More comments and suggestions are still welcome. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 20:26, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I see some problems with the new paragraph:

• References on Manu playing football (soccer) when younger (I think not:[4])
• The current phrasing suggest he took up the bad habit while playing football (which is biased); if he did play football (soccer) he did not do it professionally, you don't fake fouls with friends.

- But if he played in matches then he would have dived, yes?

I would remove the 'soccer' reference. Now, since flopping is a technical foul already two seasons, the question is, how often is Ginobili charged with Flopping by the referees? This 'other side of the coin' should also be in the article.

Mariano(t/c) 08:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. I've removed the soccer reference. As for the technical foul part, I also thought of that. I believe flopping is a technical foul under FIBA rules, though I'm not sure if the same is the case for NBA rules. To my knowledge he has never gotten a technical foul for flopping, but we would have to find a source for that somehow. EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 20:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

No, in the NBA flopping is either called as a blocking foul (on the defender) or as a charge (on the offensive player) depending on if the refs buy it or not - both are personal fouls. I've never seen a technical specifically assessed for theatrics, so this is not something you can track statistically. Kuru ^talk 21:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)