User talk:Mallanox

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[edit] Welcome!

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[edit] user en

Your Babel box has you speaking at en-5 level, when the more appropriate language is probably en-n (for native speaker)-- Chris ^Ccool2ax _contrib. 15:01, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 14 Year Old Girls

I see you removed the prod template I added to this page. I did not notice the prior AfD. Do you know whether prior AfDs automatically preclude proposed deletion? The proposed deletion page does not appear to answer that question. I understand that this is not at issue with your removal because prod can be removed for any or even no reason. I'm just curious. As to the article itself, I'm looking into a second AfD. It does not appear that the band passes the MUSIC criteria, but I'm not currently sure whether or not a second AfD would be proper. At any rate, many thanks for your guidance. Erechtheus 22:17, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

• According to the record label, 14 Year Old Girls have appeared on G4 Tech TV's X-Play, The Screen Savers, and Players... been written up in GamePRO, EGM, GameNOW... Maximum Rock'n'Roll called them "Quite endearing" and Punknews.org declared them "the inventors of Nintendo punk." That's TV coverage (which I have cited in the article) and multiple coverage by non-trivial media (harder for me to track down and cite, maybe someone with more experience in gaming magazines can lend a hand). That clinches it for me, and this link shows you all the videos of these appearences. Maybe this will help? See you on the AfD! PT ^(s-s-s-s) 18:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blueser

I removed the speedy delete tag you had at Blueser. This article is junk, but it's not patent nonsense. I believe that refers to text that is absolute gibberish, like "alkjdf lkjsdf sdfjl" or the writings or Ann Coulter. eaolson 00:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Interesting point. I guess I applied my deletionist POV to the speedy delete tag you added because of your inclusionist viewpoint. Heh. eaolson 01:33, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of automobiles that were commercial failures up for deletion

Hi,

You have taken part in the AfD process for List of successful automobiles and voted delete. The decision was unanimous and the article was subsequently deleted. Now a corresponding article, List of automobiles that were commercial failures, is up for deletion for the same reasons. It would be only logicial and just to have them both deleted, so I cordially invite you to take part in the new discussion.

Regards, Bravada, talk - 09:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Response to your message

Thank you for your message. I try not to tag articles for deletion unless I think that the subject matter itself is non-notable (such as a high school garage band or a vanity article written by a graduate student). In such cases, the progress of the article is irrelevant: no further information will justify its inclusion per WP's notability guidelines. However, I do need to spend more time commenting on users' talk pages to explain why I've nominated their article so that new users can be aware of WP policies and learn from the situation. Your message reinforced this notion: I hope I can be better at helping new users, too, instead of just tagging articles. Thank you. -- Merope 14:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re : Minal Nygårds

Thanks for your message. The reason for deletion is given as per in the AfD itself. You may wish to know that standards have changed and these days non-notability is no longer a reason for deletion, but unverifiability is. That means an article has to be backed up with external, reliable sources, or be deleted. There isn't really a need for a source tag, given that unsourced/unverifiability was a concern that was raised by at least two editors during the week's AfD. - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 00:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

• Google for it. That's where I get 90% of my sourcing needs. - Mailer Diablo 00:32, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

• Ah, GHits itself doesn't really represent anything much these days, you have pick specific websites that are able to back up your claims/assertions. For example, if you know that "Joe has done A" in the news, then you have to quote the source of the news agency (say BBC News). Refer to WP:V and WP:CITE for details. - Mailer Diablo 00:45, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of you know what

Hello and thanks for your message! I think I am being misunderstood here - I am making this as impersonal as I possibly can, which is why I can be perceived as rude and unnecessairly persistent. I want to focus on arguments and not the people putting them forward. Therefore, whenever I see an argument that I believe can be countered or is somehow invalid in this debate, I will comment on that. I think that an AfD should be decided based on the substance and not the number of people who "vote" this or the other way, therefore I want to give the closer the overview of the arguments and counterarguments - even though I can presume he or she probably won't read it and close based on the "votes" and his or her personal view on the subject. Funny how you can submit the same article two times, get the same comments from the same people and two different results! I guess if I were really mischevious here, I would just need to get the right admin to close ;)

As concerns the most impudent part of my comment, I have explained that I am a little familiar with the subject and can't possibly think how one can establish such things based on the data avaliable. If you could provide me with an explanation, it could surely change my mind on that and possibly even make me withdraw my explanation, so this is not just being impudent as you might see it. I understand and fully accept that you do not agree with the nomination, but I want to keep the discussion based on arguments. Regards, Bravada, talk - 00:38, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea what advanced qualifications correspond to in our system, but I do believe you know what you are talking about, this is why I asked you to elaborate. As concerns myself, if we are to reveal the cards, I meant a double master's level studies accomplished in both business administration and finance, but I think it is rather my practical business experience that I meant. I am not sure whether what I was dealing with were the full and complete versions of British accounting statements according to UK GAAP or whatever you call it (I hate those accounting terminology and stuff, I am a business guy not an accountant, I read statements not compile them), but from what I remember and what I know of statements compiled in most parts of the Western world, they hardly ever contain the data on profitability of given products. If they did, my work would have been so much easier. Sometimes you can infer something from combining financial and some other publicly (or not so publicly ;) ) available data, but that's usually in case of companies with a relatively simple business model.

I have browsed through some financial statements generated by automakers (though I have more experience with heavy truck makers to be precise) and I didn't find any data that would allow me to make even tentative statements on model profitability. Moreover, how about accounting systems? When appraising an investment project, you can apply methods quite liberally. For example, Chrysler in the 1970s accounted for development costs in a separate budget, allocated for every year quite irrelevant of anything else, and the profitability of the model was appraised only based on more direct costs, such as tooling. Therefore, by these managament accounting standards, Chrysler could see the model as profitable before overhead (where the development budget presumably went) - this can be one of the reasons why they almost went bankrupt, and I am starting to believe it after reading Iacocca once again.

The bottom line is - I would say that even if you could find such data in the UK accounting statements, I doubt it whether you could in statements of companies based in other developed countries. So, the list would have to be narrowed down to UK cars only. Bravada, talk - 01:08, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 4 Minutes

Hi, I removed Category:Singles because this category should not contain any articles about singles. If you view the category page, it states in bold font "Individual songs should not be listed here [...] Instead, songs should all go under subcategories of category:Songs by artist". According to Wikipedia's song categorization guidelines, singles belong in a subcat of Category:Songs by artist (In this case, Category:Avant songs, which does not exist) and a subcat of Category:Singles by year (I don't know what year it was released in as the article does not state this information, but I will search for it). But under no conditions should individual song articles be placed in Category:Singles or Category:Songs. --musicpvm 02:56, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

It's no problem. I just created Category:Avant songs and also added the article to Category:2006 songs, so it is no longer uncategorized. --musicpvm 03:08, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Note on listing comics-related items for deletion

In the future, when listing a comics-related category, template, or article for deletion, please list it at WP:CMC/NB. This allows the community to come to a better concensus and feel like part of the process, and we have examples for you to just cut and paste and add the appropriate information to. I'd really appreciate it, and I am sure I'm not the only one. Thanks. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 20:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Chris, thanks for the heads up about that message board. I didn't know it was there. I've been doing a big overhaul of the categorisation within the Science fiction film category. I don't think there's anything else comic-related that needs to go but I will let you know of anything I find. Mallanox 20:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I appreciate the work you are doing; I just think you will find more support for what you are doing by posting to that page. A number of editors watch that page and contribute to the delete/merge/rename discussions on it. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 21:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Monster movies

Hi! Yes i'm aware of the ending things with "Film" cat. And i was just thinking of the common shlocky term of "Monster movie!" at the time when making the cat. Then after I made It i was thinking "oh geez..this should really be film shouldn't it?". Feel free to change it. :) (even though I still think Movie sounds better in this case! But we should be consistent) Andrzejbanas 01:22, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Sub cats needed

I replied to your post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Films#Romantic Comedies: Sub cats needed. Cbrown1023 01:51, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question on the film-stub template

Hi Mallanox, I often find films assessed as start, which are just in the very begining of their "startdom" and which do need help for further expansion. On some, the film-stub template is still in the article page, in others like Starik Khottabych it's not. Can you please give me an idea of what exactly I should be doing with this template, or what is its practical use for film members. Just the other day I added it in the article page of a film assessed as class stub, but from project Beattles as start and it was removed. I didn't insist, because I'm not sure of how practice goes. Hoverfish 12:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

{Copy of my reply: Hi Hoverfish. The template should go on the discussion page of the article. The template puts the talk page into two categories, Category:Film articles by quality and Category:Film articles by importance. You will notice that the entries in these categories will all be Talk pages. At the moment the push is towards rating film articles into these categories. The eventual purpose will be twofold. Firstly it will allow identification of articles that are more "important" which personally I take to mean the ones that will be looked at by users looking up information. Secondly it allows for editors to decide whether they want to move an article in very good condition to featured status, or if they prefer they can pick on a stub and make that better. The overall aim is the improvement of all film articles. I hope this helps you. If you have any more questions I'll try to answer them for you. Mallanox 13:17, 4 November 2006 (UTC)} Mallanox 13:20, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, all this is very useful for me to know, so I can focus more on what is generally needed. Thank you for explaining. I wasn't very clear, however, about which template I was refering to. I meant the small note that comes in the bottom of the main article and asks for users to help develop the stub. Just let me know if this is instrumental in any (esoteric) way or simply an informative note. MUST it be there in all stubs or is it optional? Hoverfish 19:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much for explaining this and for the related link. Hoverfish 12:10, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Witness

This film is of relatively low importance, but for Elijah Wood completists should be retained (I added the original) as should Day-O (another film on the Wikipedia endangered species list). Thanks for tightening up what was there, however. Ed Patterson user http://www.dancaster.com/ejw

[edit] Virtual classroom

I've received two coaching assignments instead of one from the Esperanza Admin coaching program, so inorder to accomodate both students, I've set up a Virtual classroom. And to make the classroom even more rewarding and fun, I've invited some of the most prolific and talented editors of Wikipedia to come and contribute their know how so we can all learn. Currently, we are all comparing the tools each of us makes use of in navigating and working on Wikipedia. So far, Interiot, Rich Farmbrough, and CBDunkerson have been kind enough to help get things started by sharing their experience. You are cordially invited to participate as a student, a coach, or both!  The Transhumanist   15:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

Thank you for participating in my RfA discussion! I appreciate you contributing your voice to the debate and its outcome. I hope how I wield the mop makes you proud. Thanks!

— Saxifrage

[edit] Santa Claus

Many thanks for all of the groovy categories added to the Santa Claus film article. That was great! PurpleChez 04:11, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your wikistalker

I would suggest a two-pronged approach since they seem to be using multiple accounts to harass you. First, revert as necessary (but don't go over the 3RR limit! if you can't just wait a day—the articles won't explode in one day). Second, collect together the names of the offending accounts and submit a request for checkuser to see if they're the same person. Be sure to include diffs that show the accounts collectively making more than 3 reverts in a day (that is, give at least four diffs of the same edits made within a 24 hour period to the same article) so that it qualifies for the checkuser-admins attention. If they're shown to be sockpuppets, they'll likely get banned for misbehaviour and then I can block users with the same edit pattern under the no-sockpuppeting rules.

Until then, there's no much I can do that you can't do yourself. I did block User:Death2u for a very inappropriate username, but the numbered accounts aren't clearly out of line without the results of checkuser. Oh, and let me know when you make the request: I'll be interested in seeing the results. Hope this helps... — Saxifrage ✎ 23:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Never mind. The history of Julia Alexandratou has indicated unquestionable sockpuppeting. I've blocked a half-dozen of them and disabled account-creation from the last IP the blocked users used. That won't guarantee they won't create new accounts (I can't see whether it's a static IP or a constantly-changing set of IPs), but might slow them down enough to stop disrupting the articles. — Saxifrage ✎ 00:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

It's a pain to do a checkuser and they're clearly sockpuppetting to a degree where there's no question they're blockable, so I'd say withdraw it. With these blocks it might already be solved, and if it only gets more complicated I'll file one myself then. — Saxifrage ✎ 00:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tenebrae

I did revert some of your changes:

• To me, the UK DVD typos (actress' name misspelled, incorrect running time) seem non-notable, even irrelevant to an encyclopedia entry. If the film print itself contained similar errors, it would be possibly be worth mentioning.

• Info boxes normally don't indicate DVD release details; only the theatrical distributor is listed.

• "George Kemp"'s credit as co-writer is only on certain prints; both the McDonagh book and IMDB give Argento sole credit. Admittedly IMDB is not always the most reliable of sources but McDonagh's book does seem to be accurate. If further research can indicate why the (apparently) nonexistent Kemp does get credit on some prints, this detail could probably be included somewhere in the article.

• Goblin was not credited, only the three former band members, so I removed the "as" Goblin notation.

• Also, you changed one of the categories to English-language films. I suppose I understand your reasoning, since most of the cast reportedly spoke English during filming. However, Italian was also spoken by those members of the cast not proficient in English. In the U.S. and in Italy, dubbed versions of the film were released. There is, in effect, no "original language" version of this title, since all released versions were dubbed. I think I might remove the category, since this could potentially confuse readers.

• I do agree with some of the names you redlinked, especially Claudio Argento and Franco Fraticelli, who've both had notable careers. If I have the time, I'll eventually do "stubs" for them.-Hal Raglan 20:01, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

You are correct, since all of your edits were obviously in good faith I should have discussed the issues I had with them, either on the film's discussion page or your talk page. I agree with you that having two language cats is probably the most logical course.-Hal Raglan 20:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Confusion about film language cats

Hi, I would like to discuss the language cats for films. Mainly, I am involved with populating Cat:Thai films, but then Cat:Thai-language films turned up. At first, I was wondering what the point was: Where else in the world would a Thai-language film be made than in Thailand? But I have played along and populated the cat, which right now is a virtual copy of the first cat. There are a few exceptions where English-language films have been made by a Thai production company, so it would be a Thai film but not a Thai-language film. And, there are a few films where a few words of Thai have been spoken, but the film isn't Thai. So it's a Thai-language film but not a Thai film. My point of putting Cat:Thai-language films under the Cat:Thai films (which extended to your Finnish cat) is that there are Thai films in the category and that its of interest to anyone looking for films pertaining to Thailand, Thai culture, etc. It makes sense to me anyway. Anyway, I'd like to know your views on this, and perhaps you can help me gain a different perspective about it. Thanks. — WiseKwai 06:30, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Admin Coaching

Hey there Mallanox, I am admin Nishkid64 and I will take you under my wing as part of Esperanza's Admin Coaching Program. I would like to start as soon as possible, and I have taken the liberty to create a subpage User:Mallanox/Admin coaching, in which I can help you with Wikipedia-related matters and hopefully improve your editing on Wikipedia. I think we should start with a bit of a personal introduction, so just reply to your user sub-page, and we'll start from there. =) Nishkid64 18:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Admin coaching, etc.

Are you ready to get started?

The waiting time over at Admin coaching is long (some people have been waiting in line since July). I'm an admin coach with the project, and for my students I set up a group discussion page so that we could all learn from each other. The scope of this concept has expanded into the Virtual classroom, which is an open forum for the teaching and learning of advanced Wikipedia skills.

Anyone and everyone is welcome to participate, as a student, as a coach, or both. Every week or two a new major topic of discussion or classroom assignment is introduced, usually with a guest writer who presents his or her expertise on the current subject and who remains on hand to answer questions. Everyone is encouraged to participate in the discussions, such as sharing your expertise, asking and answering questions, etc.

The current topic of discussion is vandalism, and our guest writer is Budgiekiller.

All discussions are open-ended, so all previous discussion topics and classroom assignments are still there for viewing and further participation. There are also sections for posting miscellaneous topics and questions, requesting coaching assistance, etc.

In addition to inviting those who would like to learn, I routinely invite experts from all over Wikipedia to come and contribute for the benefit of all. The VC is rapidly turning into a clearing house of the best resources, methods, and techniques known for working on Wikipedia.

You are cordially invited to participate.

Here's an announcement box which you can place on your userpage or at the top of your talk page for keeping up to date with classroom assignments.

I hope to see you there. Sincerely,  The Transhumanist    08:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Roddy White

Hi, thanks for the rv. I'm sitting on that page right now, seems to be a class or something with near constant vandalism. So you don't have to monitor.--C.lettinga 02:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)