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I am currently doing a great deal of research on whaling in the Pacific Northwest, and I couldn't help but notice that one of the linked sites contains a major, important error.

At http://www.uoregon.edu/~mmoss/makah.htm , Makah Whaling Misunderstood, near the end, the author states that "The Makah hunt was sanctioned by the International Whaling Commission because it did not pose a threat to the survival of gray whales." The IWC never gave the Makah carte blanche, and in fact had already refused their request for a whaling quota in session. The Makah Tribe did not meet the guidelines of "aboriginal subsistence whaling." They did (and do) not have an unbroken tradition (they stopped in the 20's and didn't start again until the recent 1999 hunt), and they do not require the meat to survive ("subsistence"). Instead, the United States traded some of its Inuit bowhead quota for some of the Russian Federation's Gray quota in a "horse trading" deal not endorsed by the IWC. This is the quota the Makah have been hunting under. The person who added the link does not have an active talk page, and I'm not someone who generally does major edits (like removing an external link); I would ask the linked site to change, but it is a transcribed article. I ask that someone who knows more about procedures in these cases do something about this. Tyro the Kinky Kitty 21:34, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Correction to original post: It was not Inuit, but Yupik (Central and Western Alaskan native) bowhead quota that was traded. Tyro the Kinky Kitty 21:40, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

You are correct that the Makah hunt was not officially sanctioned by the IWC, but your interpretation of 'subsistence' as meaning 'needing meat to survive' is inaccurate. The IWC's definition of subsistence encompasses cultural, traditional, social and economic aspects as well, and these are evident features of the contemporary hunt.
woodschmoe, Mar. 7 2006. --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.192.146.183 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Way of Life

I have edited the third paragraph, and removed the last sentence which stated that the Makah are thought to be the first people to whale (there is ample evidence from other parts of the world, in particular Korea, that whaling precedes the Makah's presence in their territories), and reworded the part which described the "technologies possessed by the Makah", as the list was far from complete, and 'technology' includes the traditional knowledge which directs the use/manufacture of a tool/process (the artifice), not simply the material component (the artifact). --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.192.146.183 (talk • contribs).

[edit] category

hi. perhaps i am misunderstood?

i removed Category:Indigenous languages of the North American Northwest Coast because the entire Wakashan family is already under this category. this because is Category:Wakashan languages is under it & Makah is under Category:Wakashan languages. putting Makah under Indigenous languages of the North American Northwest Coast is redundant. that's all. peace – ishwar  (speak) 01:30, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I've gotten into this issue in other subjects and now, as then, I will state my strong feeling that not everyone who uses this website knows how the categories work and that you can find Indigenous languages of the North American Northwest Coast by clicking up from Wakashan languages. The more connections a user studying the subject can easily make, the better, thus regardless of your "stickler" nature about the cats, it's more helpful to keep both easily available to the general reader. Badagnani 02:22, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
ok. thanks for the note. i dont have strong feelings & your way is probably better. i was just following the guidelines & making the Makah like the other members of the family. i guess you will get into this issue with others until they amend the categories explanation page (or maybe theyve already done so? i dont check that stuff). please continue making things easier for readers. peace – ishwar  (speak) 03:39, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Unreferenced

This is a great article but it does not cite any sources. BJTalk 20:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I think there is a misunderstanding here - four sources are cited in the external links section. John Broughton | Talk 22:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but the sources are not cited throughout the article. BJTalk 22:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
True - not a good practice, but not unusual. However, the question at hand is the use of the {{unreferenced}} template. Template talk:Unreferenced doesn't seem to fully address this. In any case, suppose I were to change the section heading for external links to read "References". Would that rule out using this template? I ask because as I read WP:CITE - and I'd appreciate your thoughts on that as well - such a heading is to be used for the section with the sources for the article, and I'm guessing (I came late to the party on this article) that the external links are in fact the sources. John Broughton | Talk 00:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
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