Talk:Mahram

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Could someone please allay my confusion: This article states that having sex with one's husband/wife is considered incesteous by Sharias. How does this branch of Islam stay populated?--ZayZayEM 03:18, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I re-wrote the article and tried to clarify the contradiction. --Pouya 12:16, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

So, I'm still confused, is it that incest isn't consider taboo in Sharia? What is the point of having a set of people considered inecsteous or mahram then?--ZayZayEM 04:00, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Okay better. Two more points still getting me.
  1. How does one have sex with one's spouse without being taboo
  2. why is it specifically "incesteous", especially seeing as many Mahram people don't appear to be relatives. Would it be better to say, "It is a taboo equivalent to incest".
--ZayZayEM 08:25, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

First, thanks for posing these questions to reduce the ambiguity in the article. Sometimes one can't see some inconsistencies because the whole fact is too obvious for them.

Second,

  1. Extra-marital sex is a taboo, no matter partner is a mahram (in case of incest) or not (in case of adultery). But note that rules regarding incest and adultery are different in Islam.
  2. The point is that, technically, in Islam incest is extra-marital heterosexual intercourse with a mahram. So no matter one is a relative or not (as it happens in case of radha' mahrams), incest happens when they have sex with a mahram. So the circle of relatives that having sex with them is concidered incestuous is defined by mahram-hood (this word doesn't exist actually ;) ). This definition really widens the circle of relatives that definition of incest commonly covers.

Third, I also added some points, check whether this helps califying the point or not. --Pouya 19:58, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Qur'an - Hadith citations

Can any contributor to this article cite relevant quotes from the Qur'an or Hadith and maybe as a latter resource from scholarly works in order to make the readin aware of wear these rulings came from (and also to eliminate ambiguity and to give the reader further resource as to where they can back up any claims made in this article). gren 08:16, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] unmarriageable kin

Thats not correct, what if my child divorces his wife, we will still be mahram (unamriable), but not be "kins"... or have i missundertood the word "kin"? --Striver 04:57, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Who Is a Mahram in Islam?

The following was posted on the article by User talk:80.168.112.226 at 11:52, 8 June 2006. <quote> I have found this on Islamway.com. I hope this will help. http://www.islamway.com/sisters/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=167

Who Is a Mahram in Islam? Posted byadministrator on Tuesday, February 19 @ 03:38:40 ?? Contributed by administrator

Al-Jumuah Magazine Issue 5

Any woman with whom a man has a relationship (of blood or fosterage) that precludes marriage, is considered a Mahram to him.

Mahram women include his mother, grandmother, daughter, granddaughter, sister, aunt, grandaunt, niece, grandniece, his father's wife, his wife's daughter, his mother-in-law, his foster mother (the one who nursed him), foster sisters, and any foster relatives that are similar to the above mentioned blood relatives as the Prophet (SAW) said, "What is forbidden by reason of kindship is forbidden by reason of suckling." (Al-Bukhari)

These are considered Maharim because Allah (SWT) mentioned them in the Holy Qur'an: "And marry not women whom your fathers married, except what has already passed; indeed it was shameful and most hateful, and an evil way. Forbidden to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your foster mother who gave you suck, your foster milk suckling sisters, your wives' mothers, your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom you have go in - but there is no sin on you if you have not gone in them (to marry their daughters), - the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins, and two sisters in wedlock at the same time, except for what has already passed; verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (An-Nisa 4:22-23)

All the man's female relatives mentioned in these two verses are considered his Maharim, because it is unlawful (haram) for him to marry them, except the wife's sister mentioned last, who is not a Mahram because he can marry her if he divorces her sister, or if she dies. Reciprocally, if a woman is a Mahram to a man, such as her brother, her father, her uncle, etc. then he is a Mahram to her. All other relatives are considered non-Maharim and they fall under the category of strangers to her, except one's wife or husband who is also called Mahram. </quote> - Tangotango 11:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More Questions

I have a couple more questions:

1) The Ali article says: "Ali was the cousin of Muhammad, and after marriage to Fatima Zahra, he also became Muhammad's son-in-law." In Islam is it generally permitted to marry a cousin's daughter?

2) The Mahram article seems to imply two different uses of the term. The more common use seems to be "those with whom one may leave the house". The second, strict meaning seems to be "those with whom one may not have sex". Is this a correct interpretation of Mahram?

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