Talk:Maharaja Ranjit Singh (Punjab)

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This whole thing needs a serious remake. Besides all the phrases like "his estate was attacked by him" (who attacked whom?), the (possibly unnecessarily) lengthy citation lacks source, there is almost nothing said about RS's actual rule (this article is referred in enlightened absolutism, yet I see no reason here), and there is no date of death. --Oop 14:09, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC) Also it isnt very neutral nor does it explain his Hindu inclined religious behaviour ie sati, his handing over of the Sikh gurdwaras to brahman authorities etc

Though he is considered a "lion", I don't think there is such thing as the "three" lions (not the symbol but rather people associated with it), also Asoka widely used the "three" lions symbol (which is actually that of four lions back to back) across his empire upon the tall columns he erected and the highest honour recieved in the Indian military is the Asokh de chakra. Point being the three lions part should be removed.

Contents 1 Copyright violation 2 Rewrite 3 Throne 4 Gurmukhi vs Punjabi

[edit] Copyright violation

Text added by 164.164.132.168 on 4 Oct, seems to be taken from http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/warriors/ranjit1.html . Wikipedia:Copyright problems says to revert added copyright violations rather than report them on the copyright problems page. Hence I've reverted from that version on. See also Wikipedia:Copyright violations on history pages. Jay 07:15, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite

I'll be doing some major rewriting soon, not tonight, late enough right now. I have some books, they are quite biased towards him, since he was Maharaja Ranjit Singh and all, but they have some truth to them, and I'll do my best to extract that. I'll be able to cite them as sources. But the major problem I have is that I'm not sure how to arrange things, and how to cite things properly so they have the footnotes and stuff. I'll post into here what I want to do, and someone can maybe show me how? I plan to start it before the end of the week, but we'll see what happens. --Phant 06:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Throne

Would it be relevant to mention that Ranjit Singh's throne resides at the Victoria & Albert museum in London.

[edit] Gurmukhi vs Punjabi

Punjabi is one language that can be written in multiple scripts, each with names, none of them claiming just "Punjabi script". Therefore they must be labeled as such when used.

As for English terms not being called "Latin", this is because though English uses the latin script, it has its own distinctly English sounds rules, pronunciations, spellings, etc... to distinguish it from other interpretations of latin script like French, Spanish, and the like. Therefore it can be called "English".

Is this not reasonable? I hope that the difference between language and script is understood. Tuncrypt 18:38, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, any language can be written in any number of scripts - Punjabi just happens to be written in two predominantly. And no, I don't agree that you need to label the script. If someone knows more than one script, they can merely include both Gurmukhi and Shahmukhi labelled as Punjabi (see Bhangra for example).

Your second point applies to Punjabi just as much as it does to English. Gurmukhi script written for Punjabi is pronounced very differently from the same words written in Gurmukhi script for Hindi (and other languages). The same would apply for Punjabi written in Devanagari (largely to do with the way aspirates have been reinterpreted as tones in Punjabi). Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 18:46, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah but is guru mouth so ubiquitous, interlingual, extra-punjabi... to the extent that you'd need to differentiate based on language instead- "Punjabi (Gurmukhi)", "Hindi (Gurmukhi)"... as one does for "English (Latin)", "French (Latin), etc. ? I still think it should say guru mouth. Tuncrypt 23:06, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say. From what I think you're saying, not it's not that ubiquitous or intelingual - but it has been used quite extensively for other languages (largely dialects of Hindustani) prior to becoming the official script of Punjabi in the second half of last century. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 20:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC)