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[edit] Dead or alive?

I have never heard of the Magnum 'dead or alive' arguement until now, can you provide a link supporting this? The reason Magnum had a short haircut and in full uniform at the end of the final episode was that he had re-joined the Navy. The image of blood in the final episode after the fight with the knife was a teaser to make you think Magnum was maybe stabbed(not shot) and killed in the final episode, a tounge in cheek moment on the final episode of the next to last season where Magnum was thought to be killed for good. Also, there has been a 'Magnum' movie in the works for years until the green-light was finally given in 2004. That should be proof enough that Magnum was never thought to be killed off. [19:21, 14 December 2004 63.167.255.30] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.167.255.30 (talk • contribs) .

Please sign your comments. This discussion was rampant in the pre-internet days so no link is easily available. I remember seeing at least one magazine article on the subject. There are numerous clues to be seen throughout the final season, ranging from appearances by the ghost of Magnum's friend, to the sudden revelation by Higgins that he was Robin Masters -- a direct contradiction of earlier seasons in which Robin is shown to be another man played by Orson Welles. At the end Magnum is shown walking along the beach with a little girl ... I forget the details of the series this far down the line, but I believe this is his deceased daughter. Also, IIRC there was no time for Magnum to get a haircut and get changed because he was already late for the ceremony when he got into the final fight. And Magnum's death is not taken as happening in the final episode anyway ... we're clocking from the final episode of the previous season. I believe the section should be put back, preferably expanded with examples of the clues. Unfortunately we're still a few years away from the season being released to DVD. The fact a movie is being considered doesn't mean anything, since most likely it'll be a reboot or reimagining ... and it's not uncommon for series to "retcon" themselves to avoid storytelling entanglements. 23skidoo 14:58, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

"Paul is Dead", anyone? At risk of starting a debate, the "little girl" was Lily, and she was far from killed in the car bomb explosian, as the series went to great pains to explain. But if it's a debate or discussion, it definitely belongs HERE. Whether the topic is Jim Bonig, the ghost of MacReynolds, Magnum dying at the end of season 7 and resurrected at the beginning of season 8--none of that had to do with creativity but actors' availability or willingness to do another season. The fact a movie is being considered doesn't mean anything, since most likely it'll be a reboot or reimagining ... and it's not uncommon for series to "retcon" themselves to avoid storytelling entanglements. Change this to a sentence about a haircut when discussing what does and "doesn't mean anything" and it makes much more sense. Haircut=continuity error, plausible. Haircut=dead Magnum....grist for the Talk page.--Buckboard 11:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New movie?

There is also a movie in the works for 2005.

Sounds great, but do we have a source for this? IMDb doesn't seem to have anything about this under either "Magnum, P.I." or "Tom Selleck". — Jeff Q (talk) 28 June 2005 05:53 (UTC)

update--they're now touting a release in 2007 on IMDB but you have to subscribe to I-pro to "get the details". --Buckboard 11:02, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jumping the Shark

I agree with Angmering - we can't just say the show "never jumped the shark" because that violates NPOV. Now if someone can put, "Magnum PI is one of the few shows listed on the user-edited website Jumpingtheshark.com" and then include a URL link to the page, then that would work. However I advise not to bother, as the link would have to be continually checked to make sure it is still accurate. I mean, I personally believe the show jumped the shark when they brought Magnum back to life ... there's nothing stopping me going there this minute and posting same, which would render the whole thing moot. And as more seasons of the show are released to DVD the greater the chance that someone will find a fault with the show (maybe it was the Murder, She Wrote crossover? Higgins claiming to be Robin?), again rendering this trivia item moot. Best to leave this one be. 23skidoo 12:55, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I've restored the item, using the above suggestions, and moved it next to the "critically praised" paragraph. This is a useful piece of empirical evidence, unlike many WP statements about something being "considered great" with no evidence presented at all. Nearly 200 JTS votes have been cast re Magnum. If you look at the list of never-jumped shows in the link I've added, you can see that they are all pretty clearly classic TV shows, and so this metric has some value. Wasted Time R 13:53, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps, but I still say this is going to have to be checked regularly because all it takes is one dissenter and it renders the "never jumped the shark" argument useless. 23skidoo 14:02, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
The guideline is "an overwhelming majority of 'never jumped' votes" and a sizeable number of overall votes. So it takes more than one dissenter. But yes, you are right to put in the "As of December 2005" clause. Wasted Time R 14:08, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Others may still differ as to whether JTS should be mentioned, but I think with the qualifier added and the link, it works. 23skidoo 15:33, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
This seems like a good compromise all-round. Angmering 19:34, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
They jumped the shark & landed in Caesars' swimming pool when he died. Unless we accept 23skidoo is right, & the whole last season is in Hell, or Pacoima, or someplace. Trekphiler 19:31, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Well not so much me being right, but all the university discussion groups, etc that were formed to discuss Magnum during that last year. I never really followed it and wasn't made aware of that whole "ghost" thing till I read an article on it. 23skidoo 19:37, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
I wouldn't know; this is the first I've heard it. And I'm deleting the jumped the shark ref, besides. It doesn't bear on the show. I'm interested, does anybody think commentary on how the show changed from the first season, very gritty & macho, to lighter & more beefcake later, appropriate? Trekphiler 19:42, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Robin?

The article said:

"Near the end of the series it was implied that Higgins and Robin Masters might be one and the same person. In the final episode Higgins admitted to being Robin Masters, but he whimsically retracted his admission at the very end of the show, leaving the question indefinitely unanswered."

This needs correction, or something. The pilot implies Magnum not only met Robin but knew him rather well; there is no chance he would believe Higgins was Robin, as late-run episodes' writers implied (evidently having forgotten to read the show bible...). Trekphiler 19:27, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

A lot of people bought into the Higgins-as-Robin twist. There is of course no "right" answer. The adherents always say something like "There was a guy hired to play Robin" and all the serpentine stretches that entails--but in one episode Robin had a nephew, and in an early episode (the spy after the Hungarian birdwatcher) Robin had a high school teacher and a high school yearbook--much harder to deflect if Robin was an after-the-fact invention of Higgins.--Buckboard 11:09, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Five-0"?

Just because there are references to "Five-0", you can't conclude "in the same 'universe'"; more accurately, it suggests familiarity with the TV show & an inside joke (which I always presumed). If the same universe, howcum Magnum never met a beat cop named Kimo, when every other uniform in Five-0 had that name? Trekphiler 19:52, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

There is an episode that specifically refers to Five-0. That's different than a throwaway reference to a TV show. A similar example: an episode of the TV series Strange Luck ended with a character being referred to an FBI agent named Fox Mulder. That places that series in the same "universe" as X-Files. There are other examples. 23skidoo 22:11, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
It's in the first season, he tells someone to contact "McGarrity at 5-0". I can't remember the exact episode, but it's there. --CaesarGJ 05:29, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] magnum life's style

I have met many fans of this character and I can say that most of them liked his life's style and in their dreams wanted to be like him. The real success of this tv movie has been to create a character with plausible roots in a men's dreamsland.

Antonio Cattivera

[edit] Wife and daughter

No where in this article or the Thomas Magnum article is Michelle, his wife or Catherine Ann (that is her name, right?), his daughter are mentioned. Should this be added? ~Babygator23~

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