Talk:Magician

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[edit] Different Types

Do you seriously need to go into what different fantasy series think about wizards and sorcerers and all that crap? Stuff like that belongs in each individual setting. If anything, provide one 'for example.' Don't go into an exhaustive list... better yet, exclude them period, go with what I've modified. 68.225.240.87 06:22, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Obviously historical magicians are the basis for those of fantasy literature, but I think only illusionists (of Paul Daniels and Harry Houdini's ilk) and those historically (or currently) labelling themselves as magicians/sages/witches or described so by others should be in this article. This includes historial myths/legends (such as Merlin) as opposed to intentionally created fiction. Heavens To Betsy 14:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Much of what's on this page comes from a similar discussion at Talk:Wizard (fantasy) (before it had the "fantasy" dab). The idea was that this would be a page to discuss the differences/etymology/morphology/etc of the different magician names (such as wizard, sorcerer, enchanter, etc.).

Perhaps this page (and it's history) should be moved to a different name, and a new Magician article created?

Also, there is a List of occultists and List of magicians in fantasy, among others, so duplication is likely not necessary as far as that goes. - jc37 14:40, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Magicians in fantasy should be merged with Magician (which needs expansion anyway). There is no point to having two articles with basically the same content, and an artificial separation, when there is not enough unique information in either article to justify two separate articles. Dreadlocke ☥ 19:14, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm working on the unique info. Goldfritha 00:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I think that I can state that they do not now have the same content. Goldfritha 04:55, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Fabulous expansion Goldfritha! Wow! I withdraw my merge suggestion! Dreadlocke ☥ 03:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Muddle, unreferenced

"authors of fantasy fiction have often muddled the meaning of each of the terms" This needs some evidence that the meanings were precise prior to their use by the authors. "most accurate" -- that needs some evidence that there was accuracy prior to that. Goldfritha 22:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

No evidence? Out it goes, then. Goldfritha 00:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mage

It is not suitable to merge "Mage" here. The characters referred to are clearly fictional. If it were to be merged anywhere, it would be "Magicians in fantasy" -- but the information in it is clearly specific to a certain kind of magician, and that article is about magicians in general, as is this one. The article is far more suitable for deletion than merging. Goldfritha 00:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Who proposed merging the two in the first place? -- Thesocialistesq/M.Lesocialiste 18:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
It was an anonymous editor [1]. I'll remove the tag. Dreadlocke ☥ 18:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
The Mage: article is up for deletion, and I think it will probably be deleted, so I'd read thorugh it and move whatever you like to Magicians in fantasy. Perhaps I'll put the merge tag between those two articles...Dreadlocke ☥ 18:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation

Due to Wikipedia:Disambiguation, and this project, among other conventions and several discussions which formed consensus, I suggest that the magician articles follow the same consensus in naming as the magic articles.

Based on this, I believe that the following two moves/renames can be speedied:

This will simply aid in navigation. - jc37 20:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

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