Talk:Magic circle

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"It is intended to create a barrier against malevolent beings or spirits, including vampires, demons, imps, ghosts."

I'm not Wiccan, but in all my reading (Buckland, Adler, etc.) I don't recall coming across this. Negative energy yes, psychic vampires maybe, but the demons and the imps leave me perplexed. This sounds like stuff from the Malleus Maleficarum, mainstream Encyclopædias (Encyclopædia Brittanica perhaps?!), folklore, and Christian mythology. Also, again, not a witch but I thought 'pentacle' was used more often than 'pentagram' - no big deal there though. And numerous other things: the symbolism of the directions may vary depending on the tradition, but I thought it was the elementals being addressed in Ceremonial Magick, Wicca, and Satanism alike. Plus white sorcery vs. black sorcery? That sounds like Dungeons and Dragons' jargon. I've heard of a cone of power over the egg, but the egg makes enough sense that it might be used as well. Plus there are many other things, like what about the colors of candles, etc. For now I just corrected a spelling mistake, but I hope somebody can improve this stub if I never get back to it. Khirad^talk

[edit] pitiful writing with no research...

Was the person who originally wrote this even Wiccan?!? I personally went over the entire article and took out the ridiculous parts. My husband and I have been practicing Wiccans for several years (and have cast hundreds of circles) and I have never seen such horrible writing. It makes me wonder if this person even did any research before posting an article on a subject they obviously know nothing about. When I first came across this article it looked like THEY didn't know what a magic circle is for. Why would you write on magic circles if YOU don't even know what they're for?

RealUpHuman.net : When you take the time realize a thank you here for cleaning it up to basics... I never read [or care to relive] the BS apparently that you speak of. I am wiccan.

Small Critique: The person posting this may have only OCR scanned it into existance as a starting point. Don't be so hyper about things... it is all "in the mindway" stream that placed it here. It proves something into the history of things.... see: WE HAVE MISCONCEPTIONS STATED. They are now obviously "an etched" part here. Perhaps "everything happens for a reason" is something to really THANK instead of DIS!! DIS ? Get to know more about me... find the inverse of REAL UP HUMAN.... Now you got the point.

My current endeavours is to bring people up to the ideal that magick may be in some fashion being defined into science mainstream called memetics.

Memetics thus remains a science in its infancy, a protoscience

I know most definitely there are magicians out here understanding memetics (meme), for they write about it outside of wikipedia. I am currently in the wikipedia "need an expert in this topic..." recruitment via email wiccan "informational circles" to wikipedia meme's construct. In the process, I would hope there would be some attention to this article here. (there is a direct link to here). I consider myself Wiccan versed.... not sure expert? I am primarily solitary... so running in "socialized format" wikipedia is not something I would engage in this topic until it began to expand its form. But do realize that I have placed a marker over at Scott Cunningham and details about his death. I think more than less, solitaries are up here at wikipedia first. Self-dedication to Public Service idealism I think we all would agree to relate. For those who want to ensure this article's accuracy is proper -- or for visitors who have no clue what this is.... Please consider these as a foundation to begin. They are widely admired in pagan/wiccan circles. Thank you. Don't flame me back if you do not agree. I will flame you back with 1990 [PRE-INTERNET] BBS Bulletin Board System Recommended Reading Lists. Thank you.

Personal Library References:

"Complete Book of Witchcraft" Raymond Buckland, 1988

ISBN 0-87542-050-8

"The Spiral Dance" Starhawk. 1979

ISBN 0-06-067535-7

"The Truth About Witchcraft Today", Scott Cunningham [paperback], 1990

ISBN 0-87542-127-X

"Living Wicca, A further guide for the solitary practitioner", Scott Cunningham, 1993

ISBN 0-87542-184-9

         "Once we've learned the basics of Wiccan beliefs and practices,
         living our religion is, logically, the next step. How we 
         allow it to affect our lives is completely up to us.

         I've written this book as a guide not only to Wiccan practice,
         but to Wiccan Life.  Still its contents are merely ideas and
         suggestions.  Each of us has to find the perfect path.  May
         the Goddess and God assist you in this quest."
              
                Scott Cunningham 1956-1993 : @REALUPHUMAN 2006

[edit] Exclusions

Magic circles are prevalent in many other traditions much older than Wicca, yet there is no mention of any of them (save for a trifle on Egypt).

The trifle on Egypt is perhaps unreliable. It's been sitting there with a "citation needed" tag for a long time now, and no-one has cited a reference. Regarding other traditions, yes. Western ceremonial magic, for instance. This article needs someone courageous to jump in and do some major improvements. I expect it would actually be more appropriate if the article were not specifically about Wicca at least at first — it just doesn't seem like there's much to say about a Wiccan magic circle, at least that you could find reliable sources for. Fuzzypeg☻ 05:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Expanding the article to cover Western tradition more broadly is a good idea, but wouldn't it entail renaming the article? Actually, I wonder if that shouldn't be done anyway. The idea of a "magic circle" is common in English-speaking cultures: it's in plenty of fantasy novels and heavy metal songs, apart from the many thousands of actual practitioners out there. I would expect this article, and not the magicians' organization, to be the core use of the term. Just my two cents. Maestlin 17:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely. I'm not particularly fussed about article naming; this article would presumably become Magic circle (occult) or Magic circle (magic) or some such abomination, or it could become Magic circle, and the existing article there become Magic circle (organisation). I would suggest that changing the article's name is the first thing that needs doing here. Fuzzypeg☻ 06:04, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I think it should be moved to Magic circle and the organization should have the qualifier, as you suggest. -999 (Talk) 16:27, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

"The trifle on Egypt is perhaps unreliable. It's been sitting there with a "citation needed" tag for a long time now, and no-one has cited a reference. - Fuzzypeg. That being the case, I've removed the statement. Yes, magic circles of one form or another - including as magical barriers - have been used in many magical traditions since time immemorial. We all know that. It's common knowledge. Everyone knows that. But even so, I still can't find a reference that would support the statement made. - Adaru 20:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)