Category talk:Magicians

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[edit] CFD Discussion

  • This category was listed for deletion on March 9, 2005. No clear consensus reached so marked Unresolved.

It's a duplicate of Category:Professional magicians and had only two entries (I depopulated it). Paranoid 17:46, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Summary after 3 weeks — no consensus => move to unresolved

  • 2 Delete: MacGyverMagic (as comment), Grutness (as comment)
  • 2 Keep: ANON (132.205.45.148), MadreBurro
  • 3 Move: Necrothesp, Willmcw, Gtrmp/Sean Curtin


  • KEEP While content may be duplicated, I think that Professional magicians should be a subcategory of Magicians, and it should not be a People by occupation subcat, just of Magic, since there are amateur magicians of some note (like Johnny Carson). 132.205.45.148 20:37, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. Should probably be renamed. Not all magicians are amateur or professional performance artists - many, particularly in history, genuinely profess(ed) to having magical power. They should be in separate, distinguishable categories. Also, I wonder whether Category:Professional magicians shouldn't be re-categorised. It is currently under Category:Magic, which is a sub-category of Category:Occult. Stage magic is hardly occult and the other entries in Category:Magic all seem to refer to the occult, as opposed to entertainment, kind. -- Necrothesp 15:57, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • I agree w/ re-categorizing. It should be a subcat of "entertainers", not "occult." -Willmcw 22:20, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete: name is too ambiguous. Category:Professional magicians should likewise be renamed to Category:Stage magicians. -Sean Curtin 18:31, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)
    • Support this. -- Necrothesp 18:47, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment: What about parlor magicians or up-close magicians (as opposed to stage magicians)? Where do they fit in? —Caesura 20:33, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Rename to Category:Stage magicians, per User:Gtrmp's suggetion. -Willmcw 22:20, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment Where does Merlin (or, for the young ones, Harry Potter) play into this? Fictional (but actual) magicians shouldn't be thrown in with Doug Henning.
    • That would be Category:Fictional musicians. -Aranel ("Sarah") 21:18, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • Surely you mean Category:Fictional magicians? -Sean Curtin 05:53, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)
        • Well, that was at least a fairly entertaining mental slip. -Aranel ("Sarah") 02:50, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
          • They're not magician's Potter and Merlin are wizards. Magicians use tricks to reach their intented effect, wizard use some magical power. Mgm|(talk) 13:12, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep! MadreBurro 17:54, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment I doubt any amateur magicians are notable enough to even be in Wikipedia, so making a distinction between professional and amateur won't make sense. Also, calling them all stage magicians would be too much of a generalization. For example Michael Ammar and David Blaine rarely perform on stage. I'd say move everything to Category:Magicians as a subcategory of Category:Magic and Category:Entertainers. Potter and Merlin can go in a category of "Wizards" or "fictional wizards", they're technically not magicians as they don't use tricks to reach the effect. -- Mgm|(talk) 13:09, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment I agree with the aptly named MacGyverMagic, but wonder whether there might be enough call for a List of famous people who were also magicians? ISTR, for example, one of the members of the band The Pixies, and there are no doubt many more people famous in another field who were also amateur or stage magicians. Grutness|hello? 06:09, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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