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[edit] Galdan

Hi, why did you restore the reference I deleted from Galdan? As far as I can tell, it is not a very specialized book on Central Asian history. While I'm open to suggestions, I don't really feel that the book has any place in the article.--Niohe 17:45, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

  • That is the primary reference I used when I had created the article. While your resource may be more detailed, the fact remains information used in that article was found in the source I have cited. If you feel it is an unrelaiable one, I would be happy to move it under "further reading". MadMax 17:53, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plug Uglies

I appreciate the dialogue on the Plug Uglies. I think it has been very open and fair-minded. Let me know if you would like me to send along a copy of Hanging Henry Gambrill. I am confident that once you see how I've put together the story you will agree that my contention is very sound. I will check back here, and we can make arrangements. Am confident also that you will enjoy the story. Tracy Matthew Melton

  • Mr. Melton,
I certainly appreciate the offer, although plese don't feel obligated on my account. I do look forward to reading the book however. If you have the time, I'd certainly appreciate your views on the Bloody Tubs article.

Sorry if my response is delayed. I've checked once or twice but just found this page today. I have a few copies here and would be happy to send it along. I'm not sure how to arrange shipment. I'm always reluctant to put too much info online, and you may be the same. Let me know best way for me to ship it. If you, or a friend, have a P.O. Box address, you could probably safely leave that, without name, here. Or let me know any other ideas.

Also, I had seen the Bloody Tubs entry. I write about them in the book, especially their infamous appearance at an election rally address by Congressman Henry Winter Davis. The actual name is Blood Tubs. They were less organized and identfiable than some of the other gangs. They operated around Loudenslager's Hill (today Butcher's Hill) in East Baltimore. The entry is generally accurate. Most of the gangs discussed in the book, including the Plug Uglies, broke up 1860-65. The reason was primarily reforms in policing, as you suggest, and then the Civil War. This process is described in detail in the last sections of the book.

Tracy Matthew Melton

[edit] Honeymoon Gang

Heya, nice job on Honeymoon Gang! Don't you mean mid 19th century though? --fvw* 18:46, 2005 Jan 28 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Yes I just noticed the typo. -- User:209.213.71.78 2:04, 2005 Jan 28

[edit] Capitalization

Hi, thanks for creating the new organized crime pages but please check out the Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Capital letters for article casing, especially before creating a large series of articles like the Timeline of Organized Crime. You should only capitalize proper nouns in Wikipedia articles, otherwise you create a lot of work for people to fix up. Thanks. --Lexor|Talk 11:47, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you Lexor. I'll certainly correct them immediatly. -- User:209.213.71.78 11:21, Feb 11, 2005 (EST)

[edit] Charles Bolles

Hi. You recently created a page for a Western outlaw, Charles Bolles. Could you please provide a citation, as I couldn't pull up any information on the guy in a Google search. I was about to list it for deletion (I've been checking the recent changes for new ads, spam, vanity, and hoaxes posted, seems like there's one every minute) but I noticed you've made some useful contributions, so I'm sure it's not a hoax. Be sure to check out the Wiki guidelines on verifiability and notability to see if it fits. Thank you.--Dmcdevit 02:22, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC) (PS, we'd love it if you signed up for a username)

Sorry about the misunderstanding. Actually I created that page from a previous disambigious page listing three articles under Black Bart although I am not the original author of the article itself. I can certainly list some sources for you although I can vouch for the article itself refering the stagecoach robber popularly known as Black Bart. Thanks for letting me know and I certainly appreciate the compliments. 209.213.71.78 19:07, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Ahh..., I see the disambig page. Well, if you have some sources, I would appreciate if you could list them on the article under a heading like this: ==References== . PS, keep it up! --Dmcdevit 19:20, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Just to let you know I listed some sources. Thanks again. 209.213.71.78 19:28, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Good job!--Dmcdevit 19:37, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Welcome!

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Hope to see you around the Wiki! And if you have any questions whatsoever, feel free to contact me on my talk page! --Dmcdevit 19:44, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome. Although I didn't think my own contributions were worth getting one I'll certainly look into getting a Username if it helps clear up any confusion between myself and a vandal. 209.213.71.78 19:50, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • There's certainly no number of edits needed for a username, plus it's really easy. Join the community!--Dmcdevit 19:53, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Username

Great job recategorising all the gangs into the appropriate category. Might I recommend registering a username? It allows you to have edits attributed to your name, rather than just an IP address, for one thing. :) Talrias | talk 20:17, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I was also invited by another user earlier today. I can certainly sign up when I get a chance. 209.213.71.78 20:28, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
So I see! When you've signed up (it takes 5 seconds!), please drop me a note on my talk page. Thanks! Talrias | talk 20:31, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I certainly will. Thanks again. 209.213.71.78 20:32, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ah, I was coming here to say the same and to point you at the benefits of creating an account, but I see that others beat me to it. A welcome from me, too! — mark ✎ 10:52, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Labor racketeering

I have been following your work on various sluggers and like the piece you did on the labor slugger wars. Let me know when you get around to writing a piece on labor racketeering--there certainly is a need for it. My interest in the issue is from the other side of the equation, the unions that either hired or were victimized by these guys. -- Italo Svevo 04:02, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Also I certainly appreciate the recent edits. I can be a horrible speller at times. :) I'll definatly start working on a labor racketeering article as soon as I can find some reliable sources. Labor racketeering was definately the major activity of pre-Prohibition organized crime along with extortion. It might make for a good candidate for a collaboration article. 209.213.71.78 18:01, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

My apologies I should have mentioned that 1919 was the date when Jacob Orgen's family disowned him, considering 1919 the date of his "death" hence the 1901 date. The correct date in 1894 although this is the explanation for the "aged 25 years" statement. Again sorry for the misunderstanding. 209.213.71.78 18:07, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Mafia associates"

Hi, I have my doubts about Category:Mafia associates, partly because it is by definition vague and hard to verify. Certainly many people, including many politicans, have had contacts with mobsters; at what point to they become "associates"? This is not something someone can be convicted of, except perhaps in the court of public opinion. Also, it might libellous in cases where it is suspected but not "proven". In any case, my personal feeling would be simply to state this allegation in the body of the article and not to try to formalize it in in a category. What do you think? -- Viajero 09:03, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well I would say it might be more misleading rather then vague. As opposed to say a Mafia associate "member", a non-Italian member of the Mafia, individuals with known and well documented associations with organized crime to the extent that, while not part of an organized crime organization per se, they do actively work with and ultimately benefit from these activities are, in my opinion, directly involved in organized crime. Countless individuals from union, law enforcement, and government officials have been convicted because of there known ties to organized crime groups which in part have helped prove racketeering charges. You certainly make a valid point about possibly renaming the category as well as definitions for inclusion however I should point out, as all of these individuals actually took part in racketeering (rather then simply taking bribes), I do feel they are a legitimate subcategory of organized crime. 209.213.71.78 20:02, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of godfathers

The funny thing is that I don't even remember working on the article! I probably just moved it out of something else. That being said I can't complain about the edits that you or anybody else chooses to make, :-) Eclecticology 22:46, 2005 May 10 (UTC)

Lol. Alright then I guess I'll try to reorganize the list then. Thanks for letting me know. 209.213.71.78 22:57, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Morello crime family

You're right about the naming conventions, sorry. I've moved or redirected so many uncapitalized pages before, it's become a reflex. (On the other hand, it seems you restored the original, creating duplicate pages; if this should come up again, consult Help:Renaming (moving) a page.) Thanks for the friendly reminder, and happy edits. Deltabeignet 22:25, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • Sorry about that. I was in the middle of editing and I didn't notice the page had been moved until I saw the history. Thanks again. 209.213.71.78 22:41, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Tribes of Uganda

Hi. See Category talk:Tribes of Uganda. - Mustafaa 00:02, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Image:WikiThanks.png Thanking for sorting the stub on my article on the HMS Trinidad. Take care, Dbraceyrules 22:09, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

  • No problem. MadMax 22:18, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Charles Becker

Thank you for reviewing and adding to my article on Charles Becker. I have removed the category cross-reference 'Mafia associate' as there is no evidence that Becker ever had any links with the Mafia, if indeed it can actually be described by that name in the period he was active. Becker's protection racket was run with the connivance of Tammany Hall, which controlled most of the extortion going on in the city up to 1914. Italian Black Hand/Mafia extortion was confined largely to the Italian-American community which Becker, a second generation American of German parentage, had nothing to do with.

Regards, Mike Dash

[edit] Becker again

Well, that assumes he was guilty, of course!

Not sure about the Lenox Avenue Gang. Is there any evidence, outside Sifakis's and Asbury's not-always-reliable books, that they actually existed? Would be interested if you did know more, as I've read through pretty much every New York paper relating to the Becker case for the period 1912-15 and never seen a whiff of a mention of them. The fact that three of the supposed killers were Jewish and the fourth Italian is intrinsically odd, and some writers on the subject do say that Frank was a late, unplanned addition to the murder party.

Having spent the last couple of years researching a new book on the Becker case (due out next year), my own best guess is that Rosenthal was bumped off by gamblers who reckoned Becker would be pretty happy to have it done, but who didn't actually tell him what they were doing. There's also a fair bit of evidence that the killing was not actually supposed to have happened, and that the original intention had been simply to scare Rosenthal. Two of the gunmen testified to that effect before their execution, adding that the triggerman had been Harry Vallon, and that he was drunk and committed the murder out of bravado. Impossible to prove, of course, but it has something of the ring of truth so far as I'm concerned.

Incidentally, Jack Zelig's power as a gangster has been hugely exaggerated by writers such as Asbury. Not only was he six years younger than is generally realised (born 1888 - check out the excellent Find A Grave website), and hence only 24 when he died, he was far too short of money to have been much of a mob kingpin. When he went on the run after the Rosenthal killing, he was picked up in Rhode Island for pickpocketing someone for the sake of about $20. Not the actions of a big time gangleader, IMO. Also, if you look at Abe Shoenfeld's intelligence reports on East Side Jewish gangs (in the Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People, Jerusalem), there's a report on a benefit held later for Zelig's wife that makes it clear his power, such as it was, dissipated entirely immediately after his death. The benefit raised the princely total of $46 - not something that would have happened had it been held for the likes of Capone or even Paul Kelly.

Still, would be most interested to hear more of your point of view.

Regards, Mike

www.mikedash.com

[edit] Becker yet again

Thanks for the reply, Max. I'd definitely like to see references. Nash is not a reliable source in many cases so it would be useful to have others.

I don't think there's any doubt that the grave shown at Find A Grave is Zelig's. It's the right date of death and it's the right cemetery too, as contemporary newspapers record. The World, reporting his death, gives an age of 24 too. That said, it's just possible that the grave date is in error. The stone was only erected a year after Zelig's death - it took his friends that long to raise the money for it (Shoenfeld is my source for that, again). On balance I'm going to stick with the later date unless/until someone can find a contemporary source that contradicts it.

You're right about Zelig's involvement with Becker's trial, the mystery is as to which side he was going to testify for. Both claimed he would have been their witness.

You're doing a fine job with the organised crime articles, BTW. I'm certainly not trying to be too negative - it's just that I've found Asbury, Nash, Sifakis unreliable just as you've had problems with Find A Grave.

Mike


[edit] Cast List on The Godfather (film)

I opened a brief discussion on the talk page of The Godfather (film) regarding moving the cast list elsewhere. As you've contributed towards the cast list, I'd appreciate your thoughts on this. Rob Church Talk | Desk 10:59, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] speedy deletions

Greetings! Yes, there's a couple ways to handle those kind of articles. Usually tagging them with a speedy deletion tag {{db|reason it should be deleted}} is sufficient, and whichever admin happens to be doing newpages patrol will eradicate it. (It's wise to put it on your watchlist in case the poster either removes the tag or recreates the article after it has been deleted.) If it's a borderline case --i.e. vanity article that actually makes an assertion, however disputable, about notability -- it's best to put it on AFD. To my eye the Subway Posse article is speediable, so buh-bye, it's gone. Thanks! Antandrus (talk) 20:32, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

You might be thinking of this Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion -- it's the only one I know about. Anything tagged as a speedy automatically shows up there. Cheers! Antandrus (talk) 21:07, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rascist edit

Are you, or do you know who is, responsible for this edit? I ask because the IP appears connected to you, SqueakBox 19:32, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

It didn't fit with the other 2 edits from the IP address, which I assume were you. I am not an admin, but I have reported it at the vandalism page. I wouldn't normally bother but this kind of vandalism is particularly nasty, and brings wikipedia into disrepute. See [1]. Cheers, SqueakBox 20:36, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Devil's Hole Road

Great work on Battle of Devil's Hole Road. Keep up the good work! --Kevin Myers | (complaint dept.) 06:05, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Thank you. I certainly appreciate your compliments. MadMax 22:57, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Frank Salemme

In reply to your message: I rewrote the article at the temp page Frank_Salemme/Temp. This should be free of all copyvios, I checked it pretty carefully. -Lanoitarus (talk) .:. 06:57, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Thanks, I greatly apprecite the help. Great job on the rewrite by the way. :) MadMax 20:46, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 88 Fingers Louie

hi, i've just seen that my article has been reported by possible copyright violation. If you check their website, you will se that the copywright of the article (and of all articles in the website) are protected until 2004. we are nearly 2006, so the copywright is no longer valid (i think i made my self clear, im brazilian and im not a native english speaker) --Dirke 22:35, 28 December 2006

  • Dirke,
Could you list that in the discussion page ? If you add a pre existing article to Wikipedia you should state the use of the article is authorized by the author either in the discussion page and/or on the article as <!-- message --> . MadMax 05:56, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kozo Tsoboi

I'm slightly confused. This bombing in 1864, involving "Allies". Of what campaign is this part of? Surely not any Sino-Japanese war? I don't know enough to know what to ask. I just need a little bit more information in the article.Unschool 06:37, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1903 in organized crime

In this edit you say "sources listed". What sources and where? I'm sorry if I missed something, but I don't know what you are referring to. Also, I'm not sure why you reverted back to a version which linked to a disambig page "William Flynn". I removed it again. If you return it, could you please put in a citation, and also disambiguate the link. Thanks. --Rob 20:08, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I replied on my talk page. --Rob 20:32, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anthony Anastasio

Okay, but I did not notice any additional material added to the article which is why a added the stub template back. It still is short. Thought that having the category there might attract more editors interested in the subject. If you'd rather not, then I'll leave be. --malber 21:36, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, if you still think it qualifies as a stub, your certainly welcome to edit it. Thanks for replying back. MadMax 22:13, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Military history categories

I award MadMax this Barnstar for his tireless efforts in cleaning up the war and battle categories. Kirill Lokshin 01:59, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
I award MadMax this Barnstar for his tireless efforts in cleaning up the war and battle categories. Kirill Lokshin 01:59, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Amazing work! Kirill Lokshin 01:59, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

  • Wow. I certainly wasn't expecting this. Thanks. :) It really wasn't any trouble though. By the way I have a bit more then half of the battle templates so I should be finished by tonight. MadMax 06:39, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1903 in organized crime

Hi, as your more familiar with the subject, and have better access to the sources, can you confirm William J. Flynn is the relevant person at 1903 in organized crime. If so could you link to that article (I removed the previous redlink, as it was likely wrong). It now seems extremely likely it must be the same person, unless there is an incredible coincidence (as this person wrote books on the Black Hand, and later headed the entire agency). But, I personally don't know, and therefore can't make the change myself. It would be quite useful to readers to be able to click the person's name, and find more about them. --Rob 06:16, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

  • According to Herbert Asbury's "The Gangs of New York", the agent's name is indeed William J. Flynn. I'll fix the link on 1903 in organized crime as soon as I can. MadMax 07:57, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Fein.jpg

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[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Gypright.jpg

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[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:OMadden.jpg

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  • Carnildo,
I'm not sure if you have read my response on your user page at User talk:Carnildo#Copyright images, although I did previously notify you of its status (as well as informing you of the other two images I have uploaded) to the best of my knowledge. MadMax 22:18, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
It looks to me like the images are in the public domain. Official police mugshots are considered part of the public record, and as such are not eligable for copyright in the United States. The correct copyright tag for such images is {{mugshot}}. I've re-labeled Image:Fein.jpg and Image:OMadden.jpg. --Carnildo 07:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the help Carnildo. MadMax 15:08, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Star Wars battles

They should all use the standard {{Infobox Military Conflict}} + campaignbox combination; I think we even have two Star Wars campaignboxes on the list.

There is no Star Wars WikiProject, surprisingly enough. —Kirill Lokshin 02:42, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Sorry I meant the StarWars wiki. Thanks for the help. :) MadMax 02:44, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article creation

I have been looking through the list of unwatched pages (available only to administrators) and found 1887 in organized crime. I see that you created this but were not watching it. You may want to go to your preferences and under the "editing" tab turn on "Add pages you edit to your watchlist". This will enable you to keep an eye out for any edits that are made to pages you create and help to revert vandalism. If you do decide to turn it on can you please drop me a note on my talk page so I can cut down my excessive watchlist (6000+). Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 16:15, 5 February 2006 (UTC) I have been looking through the list of unwatched pages (available only to administrators) and found 1887 in organized crime. I see that you created this but were not watching it. You may want to go to your preferences and under the "editing" tab turn on "Add pages you edit to your watchlist". This will enable you to keep an eye out for any edits that are made to pages you create and help to revert vandalism. If you do decide to turn it on can you please drop me a note on my talk page so I can cut down my excessive watchlist (6000+). Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 16:15, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject

By the way, I moved your notice about the WikiProject_OrganizedCrime from the article to the talk page for Mafia, since it's a WP-related matter and meta-encyclopedic. If you put that in the See also section for other related articles, please move it as well; I think I got all the other ones as well, but you might want to double-check/add it to talk pages for other related articles. Cheers on all your hard work with this! -- nae'blis (talk) 20:22, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rreporting vandalism

I am not an admin, just a normal user like you. However, users can use WP:AIV to report vandalism. I encourage you to use it to report clear cases of vandalism. --OrbitOne [Talk|Babel] 20:54, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Oh alright. Sorry to have troubled you then. MadMax 21:10, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You seem very nice

  • Mr. Spade,
I greatly appreciate your help with the list of street gangs. I've spent a great deal reverting questionable edits and other contributions. Do you think it would be a better idea to reganize the list by coutries or time period ? MadMax 16:33, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, but I want to agree about what to do rather than fight about it, thats for sure! I am pretty open minded, and I am confident that a few of the redlinks (possibly even most of them) are fictional, but undoubtably some of them are real... Researching gangs, secret societies, cults and fraternal organisations has been an interest of mine for decades, and 'd like to see a good structure put in place to help articles to grow.

I really appreciate your pleasent approach btw, it is refreshing and reflects well on your character. Sam Spade 16:51, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I certainly appreciate that Mr. Spade. I've actually been puzzling on what to do and how better to organize the list for sometime and I'd be grateful for any help. I saw you edits as more then helpful, and that certainly means a lot coming from a much more experienced User. I've tried to get some sort of debate going on the talk page but that hasn't been interest shown. MadMax 17:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] JRN Copyright

Hi, I don't know if this has been brought to your attention but some material from Jay Robert Nash's works were copied directly into WP see : Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2006-04-24/Jay Robert Nash. I have seen that you've used some of his material for reference in WP, and since his books aren't accurate, it would be nice to double check your entries so that WP doesn't get sued about fake entries that were entered by users. In no way am I accusing you, if this doesn't touch you in any way please forget I ever mentioned this or help me try to erase fake entries and copyright edits. Lincher 18:12, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I didn't see any plagiarism at all nor do I accuse you of any though for the matter that JRN is about to sue WP for copying false entries that were, hence taken from his books. So, we should thus monitor edits made by other organized crime biographers if they don't add fake entries or things like that. On that account I've already found, I think, fake entries Bella Anderson and Theresa Antonini which I have tagged with a PROD template. Lincher 18:41, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for the update and for the help given in trying to fight copyviolation or copyright infringment. Lincher 19:14, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm glad to have been of help. If there's anything else I can do, please let me know. MadMax 19:15, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Accardi's Date of Death?

Hey Max, I did some wikifying and copyediting on an article you created, Settimo Accardi. While I was at it, I noticed that the article is in the category "1963 deaths". However, according to the article itself, Accardi was sentenced to prison in 1964, and no date of death is mentioned. There must be a mistake somewhere, but I can't tell where; I was unable to hunt up a date of death for him from Google. Considering that he was born in 1902, I'm assuming that he must be dead by now, but I can't even confirm that. Since you wrote the article and (hopefully) have access to the books you used as your sources, could you check that out? Thanks! =) -- Captain Disdain 23:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Captain Distain,
Thanks for the heads up. I've fixed the error, however there seems to be no record of Accardi after leaving the United States in 1964 in either books. Great work on the page by the way! MadMax 23:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, bummer. I guess we'll have to leave it as it is, then, until someone comes up with some kind of a record of his demise. Thanks anyway. Oh, and I'm glad you dig the edits I made on your work. As something of a crime buff, I think it's cool you've taken the time to write articles such as this one. -- Captain Disdain 00:46, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Franklin Leslie

First of all I must commend you on writing such a fine & completely encyclopedic article. Also I think you have handled the situation fine so far. I have now tagged Nashville Franklin Leslie for speedy deletion for being a duplicate & a copyvio. About User:OBrienMadHouse we just watch him for now as you have appropriately warned him. If he continues to add copyrighted text or recreate the article, we can report him to an admin. But I have a question: What is the real name of this outlaw? Is it as OBrienMadHouse says Nashvile/Bucksin Franklin Leslie or just Franklin Leslie?

Thanks & once again congratulations on your fine work

Srikeit(talk ¦ ✉) 19:25, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm certainly flattered, although there are a number of references under "Further reading" I should add as well. I believe his full name was Nashville Franklin (or Franklyn) Leslie however he most often went under Frank Leslie. I would have had Franklin Leslie as a redirect to Nashville Franklin, however I would assume the article wouldn't be able to be moved as obviously the present article is already taken by the duplicate article. I do certainly appreciate your help in the matter. MadMax 19:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category tagging

I award MadMax this Tireless Contributor Barnstar for his work in cleaning up the military history category tags! Kirill Lokshin 19:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
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I award MadMax this Tireless Contributor Barnstar for his work in cleaning up the military history category tags! Kirill Lokshin 19:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

You never get tired, do you? ;-) Kirill Lokshin 19:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Just seem to have a lot of time on my hands, at the moment. :) MadMax 19:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tracy Melton

I am assuming you are Tracy Melton? I have just finished reading Hanging Henry Gambrill and have a few questions about your research, and perhaps a tidbit to share with you. I have no idea if I will ever find this site again, so could you please contact me at: cowpost@msn.com

Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by cowpost (talk • contribs).

  • Cowpost,
Unfortunatly I am not Tracy Melton, whose contributes under User:Trac.Melton. You should be able to reach him by his talk page. MadMax 18:46, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project tags

Great work, as usual! If it's not too inconvenient, when you're updating the tags, might you be able to merge any task force tags present into the main project tag as well? It'll save us having to go over the same talk pages twice. Thanks! Kirill Lokshin 01:40, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

  • I'd be glad too Mr. Lokshin, however how exactly would that be done ? MadMax 01:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Basically, a tag like {{WPMILHIST Middle Ages task force}} is replaced by adding a line to the {{WPMILHIST}} call: |Middle-Ages-task-force=yes. The task force names should all be fairly obvious, but they're listed on Template:WPMILHIST for reference, as well. Kirill Lokshin 01:49, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Ah I see. Thanks for the help. :) MadMax 01:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Have you ever heard of "Murel's Gang"

Mark Twain mentions this gang in "Life On The Mississippi". They seem to have been really bad news. [[2]] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.245.254.41 (talk • contribs).

  • Hmm..not offhand no. Although from Twain's account they seemed to be more of the outlaw/river pirate varity then the street gangs such as New Orleans' Live Oak Boys. I'll check into it and see what I can come up with. MadMax 01:13, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Ah, well I see there's an article on "John Murrell", and it looks like the stuff is mostly legend. I guess Mark Twain was gulled by the book by Virgil Stewart. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.245.254.41 (talk • contribs).

[edit] First Macedonian War

Hi. I've noted you gave First Macedonian War B-Class. I was a bit surprised, because I thought that the article was already at a state it which it cood be candidated as a featured or as a good article. I only ask to know what are the defects that should be mended to make it a really good article. Bye --Aldux 23:18, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Aldux,
As far as I know, an article has to be nominated as a Good Article or Featured Article. I am certainly not a judge of a well written article by any means, however as per the accessment table, a B Grade is the highest I could give the article. Please feel free to change it if you feel it should be higher. 205.188.116.73 23:39, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh no! I fully trust your judgement. Thanks for your awnser, and ciao. --Aldux 00:59, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi MadMax, I've changed the assessment of First Macedonian War from "B" to "A" ;-) Please see my comments on Talk:First Macedonian War for my reasons. By the way an "A" class doesn't need to be either a "Good Article" or "Featured Article". Regards — Paul August ☎ 18:07, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Mr. August,
I certainly don't have any objections to the recent assessment, as I very much appreciate the assistance. MadMax 19:50, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Piracy project

Hi, I saw you proposed to Piracy project, I think it sounds great. I was going to propose a similar thing, after reading Bartholomew Roberts, which needs some work. I hope it can get started and I'm sure it'll get interest, people love pirates! --Awiseman 04:00, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Hello Awiseman,
Thanks for the support. :) As my other proposed WikiProjects such as Organized Crime and Wild West hasn't been overwelmingly popular, I wasn't sure if there was much interest. Well there's two for the project, three more to go... MadMax 19:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirects

I noticed that you created some redirects that linked to one of my missing topic lists (although I have no way of knowing if you noticed them through that particular page). I tried to include only people that existed, but do you happen to know if any of the listed gangsters (or any others in that page, for that matter) could be hoaxes? - Skysmith 10:31, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Its tough to say, especially given the recent trouble over Jay Robert Nash, as many of those listed are either referenced or use Nash's work as a reference. I can certainly go through them to see which ones are in fact real. MadMax 15:15, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Thank you - Skysmith 08:25, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • No problem. I'm glad to be of help. :) By the way, although I won't have access to my primary resource for a few days, I've created a missing topics list based on Michael Newton's Encyclopedia of Robberies, Heists, and Capers which should at least cover armed robbers, thieves, and others on your list. MadMax 09:03, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:WikiProject Piracy

Thanks for telling me about the page. I checked it out and saw the Todo list; so I decided to make an article for Magister Wigbold. I hope that fills in the gap a bit :P. It's not my best work, but it's something (if you want to see my best work, go to Hurricane Debby (2000) and/or Typhoon Chanchu (2006)). íslenska hurikein #12(samtal) 23:44, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Wow great job. :) If there's any suggestions you'd like to bring up regarding the project, or any suggestions on the project page perhaps, feel free to leave a message on the talk page. MadMax 23:48, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] National crime syndicate

I've added a link to Lacey's book. Lacey argues, based on an examination of Kefauver committee documents, that there was no actual NCS and that this was just a conspiracy theory pushed by Kefauver.--Mantanmoreland 22:08, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Lepke article

I wish I had seen this earlier. The article read that Luciano had Maranzano killed as a favor to Lepke! Whaaaaa? That is contrary to everything I've read. He did it to consolidate his own power. I removed that and did some other tweaking. This article has a lot of unsourced stuff like that.--Mantanmoreland 14:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Hmm...very disconcerting to see this level of innacuracy on such a high profile article. It may be nessessary to go through the organized crime categories to review similar articles. MadMax 15:58, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree. I hesitate to read the Lansky article for that reason. I suspect it will hew closely to Messick's book, which was completely discredited by Lacey and others. The problem with such major inaccuracies is that they are picked up by google, which usually lists Wiki as its first reference in searches, as well as answers.com. The NCS article, which was a lot of hooey until it was fixed, is all over Google. A shame. --Mantanmoreland 17:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Yup, just as I suspected: "While Lansky was in school, he met a young Lucky Luciano, who shook down other kids for protection money. When Lansky refused to pay, Luciano fought him, but came away impressed with the younger boy's toughness, creating a bond that would make them friends for life." Straight out of Messick.--Mantanmoreland 17:03, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Scotto an LAPD informant?

Note the Anthony Anastasio page. Is that true?--Mantanmoreland 13:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Sorry about that. I've since corrected the statement and provided a source for the claim. Thanks for the heads up. :) MadMax 01:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Comics in 1935

What is your source for this? I wanted to do a fact check and expand the list.--Bobpalloona 08:28, 24 July 2006 (UTC)Bobpalloona

[edit] AfD

Please be aware of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1940 in terrorism. I remain open to any arguments put forth. Thank you. --Fang Aili talk 23:14, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Count Aeneas Sylvius de Caprara

Can you find and send to me more informations about Count Aeneas Sylvius de Caprara ?

Nenad Seguljev http://www.peterwardein.com

Mr. Seguljev,
Unfortunatly all the information I have for that particular article is based on Trevor N. Dupuy's The Harper Encyclopedia of Military Biography. I was unable to find any useable references online, however I can send you the book's text to compare if its any help. MadMax 08:53, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline of terrorism on deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Timeline of terrorism. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MadMax (talk • contribs).

OK, I will create a user subpage for the information, a sandbox if you will.  (aeropagitica)   (talk)  16:40, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1940 in terrorism  (aeropagitica)   (talk) 

Done and linked from your homepage.  (aeropagitica)   (talk)  17:13, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks Aeropagitica,
I certainly appreciate your help. MadMax 21:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My crime links to one place.

I noticed that you have corrected both of my crime-related listings. Very good job. I've been making new thematic versions and making temporary redirects from the old links (in case someone it watching them) and now I've redirected User:Skysmith/Bio-crime to User:Skysmith/Missing topics about Crime. Keep up the good work - Skysmith 10:16, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Skysmith,
It really wasn't any trouble but I do hope you found it useful. Personally, I've found your missing topics lists extremely impressive and more then helpful in finding wanted articles. Would it be alright to add the selected organized crime section of you list to the WikiProject Organized Crime wanted articles section ? MadMax 14:01, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Go ahead. More the merrier. - Skysmith 20:07, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Copyright dispute

Hey, thanks for bringing the Image_talk:McLean.JPG issue to my attention. The appears to be clearly the same person I was dealing with before. In this case I cant honestly say what the copyright implications are of using a "boston police" source picture that isnt a mug shot, but since the picture clearly isnt from whitey world either, he certainly isnt the owner. Thanks for dealing with him so professionally! -Lanoitarus (talk) .:. 20:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I certainly appreciate your looking into it. As the picture is cited as property of the Boston PD, I tried to chose the closest licencing tag so I may be partly at fault myself. MadMax 21:49, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Vannie Higgins

Hello,

Really nice work on the 'Vannie Higgins' Article. I'm still determined to find his exact date of birth. -- Michael David 18:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks, I've been meaning to get around to finishing the rest of the article for awhile. Although Nash states Higgins date of birth as 1897, Nash's work isn't considered 100% accurate but I'll try to see what I can dig up on my end. However, I do believe I might be able to obtain a photo of Higgins although I'm still trying to determine the copyright. MadMax 18:42, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Simon Willard

Hi, dear wikipedian. I have done some expansion in the Simon Willard article. I would like that you tell me your opinion. Anytime. --AndresArce 20:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)AndresArce

Andres,
It looks like a great job, although my work on the article larely amounted to a very minor cleanup. You might want to talk to the original author User:Tumble or editors with more more substantial contributions such as User:Jack Bethune. MadMax 18:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Already, I have mailed that people. Tx for the tip, anyway. Anytime. --AndresArce 21:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)AndresArce

[edit] WikiProject query

Hi there, I am doing some clean up on the list of proposed WikiProjects. I noticed that WikiProject Piracy has been listed for more than 60 days. Unless you object, I would like to remove it from the list since it is unlikely to receive further feedback. Thanks! --Aguerriero (talk) 18:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

  • I suppose not as there doesn't seem to be a great deal of interest in the project. Of course I certainly have no objections. Thanks for contacting me about it in any case. MadMax 18:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Actually I would encourage creating the project - the guideline is if you get 5 or more interested, a project could work. You could create the project and then message the editors who expressed interest. See the WikiProject Council for ideas on building your project and recruiting members. --Aguerriero (talk) 18:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I appreciate for the encouragement as well as your suggestions. I also found the link to be very helpful. Thanks! MadMax 19:01, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject British crime

The Project is most definatly accepting new members. You ae offically the first member to have joined me in the project.I thank you for allowing me to start to get this thing off the ground do you know of four other interested ppeople then it will be an official project. Plase add your name the hr project proposal list and the in depth link on the proposal page. Thank you again for deciding to join my project. --Lucy-marie 18:46, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Please add your name here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject/List_of_proposed_projects#British_Crime
and here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lucy-marie/WikiProject_British_Crime
--Lucy-marie 18:49, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Lucy-marie,
I'm certainly more then happy to be able to work on the project. I'll mention the project on the WikiProject Organized Crime talk page as well as a few other pages. MadMax 19:10, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks do you know how to create templates for wikiprojects?--Lucy-marie 19:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I do have a working knowedge, yes. Although judging from Template:Organized crime and Template:Infobox Pirate, I just know the basics really besides to-do lists, general tags, etc. Anything in particular you need ? MadMax 19:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
A british crime template to add to discussion pages and a user box tat can be added to user pages.--Lucy-marie 20:25, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I didn't have any specific image in mind but I do thing the Kray twins work well as they were notourious criminals of thier time.--Lucy-marie 10:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Query were do you think the best place for the list of article relating to this project should go?--Lucy-marie 10:24, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
It usally depends on what purpose. If it's a listing of related articles simply relating to British crime in general, then it would be usally listed on the project's front page either as an example for prospective members or as an internal resource (or to highlight featured articles).
Of course, if you'd like to make a listing of articles in need of catagorization, expansion, etc., it could go into a seperate section. On that note, I created a short "wanted articles" list at User talk:Lucy-marie/WikiProject British Crime (as well as a to do list at the project home page). MadMax 10:39, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Created new section for wanted pages User:Lucy-marie/WikiProject British Crime/Wanted Articles. this will now free up the talk page for discussion on the project itself.--Lucy-marie 10:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] National Crime Syndicate

Any thoughts on the sourcing issue (see talk page) would be appreciated. I'm still not convinced we have enough verifiable sources to go as far as has been suggested.--Mantanmoreland 13:06, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Mantanmoreland,
This is certainly an issue which need to be resoved before any plans for rewrite are possible (otherwise the page will do doubt be a target for edit wars). Although PassionoftheDamon does made some good points, the sources I have (Sifakis, Nash, and Kelly) all state that the National Crime Syndicate and "The Commission" are seperate entities altogether. Unfortunatly I won't have access to them until Monday, however I'll see what I can dig up on any other relaible sources. MadMax 07:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MetsBot malfunction ?

  • Mets501,
I don't mean to trouble you, however it seems edits made by User:MetsBot, in which it has been correcting .pdf links, now only displays an internal link to PDF without an external link. I'm not sure weither this is a problem with the bot itself or a problem with the pdf template itself, however I thought you might want to look into it. Thans for your time. MadMax 08:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi MadMax: was this a problem with a single edit, or are you having this problem with many/all of MetsBot's edits? I have checked a random sample of the edits, and they all appear fine on my computer. If it's a problem with one or so pages, then you can link me to those pages and I'll check it out, but if it's a problem with all of the edits you should leave a message at Template talk:PDFlink specifying the exact problem and your browser/operating system combination. Thanks! —Mets501 (talk) 11:57, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Vandal blocked

Greetings! Thanks for letting me know. I had just decided to go off vandal patrol for the night ... getting a little burned out. I blocked him, leaving a message. Thanks for your help! Antandrus (talk) 04:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Glad to be of service. :) MadMax 13:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mock Duck

It looks like Mock Duck was deleted again without a vote for deletion. Is there a vendetta against you by an administrator? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 15:32, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I really am quite puzzled as to what is going on. I am trying to resolve this issue, although my inquires at the Village pump wasn't much help. I've listed the articles which I am aware of at Requests for undeletion, so at the very least I hope to recieve some sort of explanation. MadMax 15:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I thought a message would have been left for you earlier. We are currently having some major problems with Jay Robert Nash - the person, not the article. I'm not sure how much I'm at liberty to divulge; I'd have to ask Jimbo. For the meantime, any and all articles which use Nash's material as either sole or primary reference have to be deleted and remade. I know that you made several Nash-based articles, so this is extremely inconvenient for you. I'm sorry. DS 15:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Turn on your email so we can communicate better. Go into preferences and turn it on. Don't forget to backup lengthy articles in yout namespace, that way you can restore wrongly deleted articles. Try backing them up again in base.google.com or pages.google.com. The more backups the better. Don't let your research be destroyed. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 15:49, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


I think any reasons for deleting material, or questioning sources should be made in an open forum, not in secret. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 15:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, look. Richard, Max, I respect you both. But trust me on this: leaving the material up would most likely lead to legal problems, and discussing the reasoning in an open forum could lead to legal problems as well. I'm going to leave a message for Jimbo re: whether this information can be made public; in the meantime, I'm going to the library this afternoon to check some details myself - it might already be a matter of public record, but I'm not sure. For the meantime, please accept that Nash is not currently an acceptable source of data for WP articles. DS 16:08, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
DS,
While I am aware, at least to some extent, of Wikipedia's disagreements with Mr. Nash, the articles I have contributed were based on numerous sources (with Nash's work used only as a secondary resource). From what I do know, there seems to be a concern over Nash's work containing exaggerated accounts and non-existant criminals. I would readily agree that while the rational that my contributions were based solely on Nash's work would be adequate case for deletion. However, I believe I have provided sufficient sources in proving both notability and existence of said individuals. However, would it not have been easier simply to remove Nash as a reference from the deleted articles ?
In addition, I should point out that the article North Side Gang was complied by sources completely separate to Nash's Encyclopedia of World Crime (which I partially used to write the "Origin" section). MadMax 17:20, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Alright, as a test run, I've restored North Side Gang. Please edit it to remove anything sourced from Nash, leaving the reliable sources only. I'm sorry this is all having to happen, but it turns out that Nash cannot be trusted as a source, and so we cannot use him as one. --Cyde Weys 17:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Cyde,
I've removed the text from the origins section until it can be properly sourced as well as listed alternative refernces. If there is anything else regarding sourcing for the article, please let me know. MadMax 16:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Found it

Okay, apparently this isn't the first time we've had problems with Nash, and apparently people forgot.

As made clear here and especially here, Nash is not a reliable source. Especially note the part that about how "has repeatedly said that his books are seeded with misinformation, including incorrect facts and nonexistent people, so as to catch those who "steal" from his work". Also note:

"Jimmy Wales commented that he would be happy to remove any instances of copying if pointed out, but called Nash's books unfit as sources for Wikipedia regardless of any legal issues. "Nash's work should not be relied upon," Wales concluded, on the grounds that the deliberate insertion of errors "makes it unsuitable as a reference anyway."

You may re-create any and all articles that can be made wholly Nash-free. However, any data which is Nash-based must be expunged. DS 17:22, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

  • DS,
While I can certainly understand Wikipedia's position, the problem is none of these deleted articles were based entirely on Nash's work. Nash's Encyclopeia of World Crime and Encyclopedia of Organized Crime were used as an additional point of reference (which was one of the purposes of the missing topic lists). Any rewriting of any of these articles would only contain the same information. Nash's work in the Encyclopedia of World Crime series alone is in itself a compilation of others authors work.
Mock Duck for example, which was also mentioned on the talk page, was largely based on Carlo Devito's Encyclopedia of International Organized Crime (ISBN 0-8160-4848-7) and its Find-A-Grave entry. As this is the case with 90% of these articles, I really don't see why simply removng Nash as a reference (provided there were other relable references listed in the first place). If there were none, a simple verification tag could have been placed and, if none were listed after a time, then deleted however feasible this might have been. MadMax 16:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I put in a suggestion in the Deletion Review that you could have a copy of the original texts so you would not have to begin again from nothing. Unfortunately, I do not know how hard this could be and how long it could take. Do you have any copies of the articles you wrote? - Skysmith 11:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Unfortunatly, no. If I'm able, I hope to at least have them restored on my user page (minus the references to Nash ) so I might be able to rewrite them to the Admins satisfaction. MadMax 16:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nashisms

I'd like to apologize (again) for the whole Nash-related mess; I acknowledge that you were acting in good faith, and I regret that all the articles were deleted so precipitously - it was really our only choice, what with Nash's combined unreliability and litigiousness. I'd also like to thank you for being so even-tempered in your reactions to all this - your list of references will be invaluable in the recreation of those articles - and yes, I do agree that all those articles should be re-created. The problem will be de-Nashifying them all. DS 02:04, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

  • extra note - Max, activate your e-mail settings. I have some information to send you. DS 02:05, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
DS,
Well I'd be the first to admit I'm not completely blameless. I certainly should have gotten around to including complete references a lot sooner then I did. I certainly didn't mean to cause all this trouble, however I do appreciate your getting back to me on the matter. MadMax 02:15, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DRV on these things

Hi,

There was a consensus in the DRV to give you userfied versions of any of the deleted articles for clean-up. I think it might be unwise (and unhealthy for both of us) to userfy them en masse. Whenever you feel ready to work on any given article(s), just tell me and I'll userfy them. You may then clean them up quickly, and we'll re-delete all Nash-infested revisions. Best wishes, Xoloz 16:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Xoloz,
I would be ready to start working o them ast any time. My thanks to you and the DRV for allowing me to work on them. MadMax
  • Or, alternately, you could activate your e-mail settings, and we could send them directly to you. DS 04:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  • DS,
I'm sorry I havn't gotten back to you sooner. I;m having trouble with my present e-mail account, provided by the college I attend, however I will try to fin an alternative one as soon as I can. MadMax 15:49, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Since you didn't specify any preference for where you'd like to begin, I have simply userfied the first five articles for you. Let me know when they're clean, and I'll put them back in article space, and recover the next batch for you to edit. The five articles are now at: User:MadMax/Gus Alex, User:MadMax/Felix Alderisio, User:MadMax/Anthony Accetturo, User:MadMax/Settimo Accardi, and User:MadMax/Frank Abbatemarco. Best wishes, Xoloz 19:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Great Job! Next Batch

Fantastic! Here's more for you: User:MadMax/Samuzzo Amatuna, User:MadMax/Victor Amuso, User:MadMax/Anthony Anastasio, User:MadMax/Mario Anthony DeStefano, User:MadMax/Anthony Apacalo. You really are a tireless contributor; I'm deeply sorry that Nash is such a jerk. Best wishes, Xoloz 18:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, just in case you don't realize it, I've moved the first five back to their rightful home in article-space. Best wishes, Xoloz 18:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I'll get on those right away. Thanks again for the help as well as the compliments. :) MadMax 18:53, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Batch Number Three

You are Superman today! I killed Apacalo, assuming Nash made him up, but let me know if you discover otherwise. The rest are moved back now. The new batch is: User:MadMax/Alphonse Attardi, User:MadMax/Frank Balistrieri, User:MadMax/Sam Battaglia, User:MadMax/Milton Beasley, User:MadMax/James Belcastro. Best wishes, Xoloz 21:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Terrific! Moved batch three out to article-space, here's batch four: User:MadMax/Rosario Borgio, User:MadMax/Frank Buccieri, User:MadMax/Fiore Buccieri, User:MadMax/Russell Bufalino, User:MadMax/William Cammisano. Best wishes, Xoloz 02:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Done while singing "99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall" :)

Batch four moved; batch five has seven articles: User:MadMax/Louis Campagna, User:MadMax/Frank Capone, User:MadMax/Ralph Capone, User:MadMax/Frankie Carbo, User:MadMax/Sam Cardinelli, User:MadMax/Anthony Carfano, User:MadMax/Frank T. Caruso. Best wishes, Xoloz 17:03, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

As usual, more fun -- User:MadMax/Matranga crime family, User:MadMax/William Daddano, Sr., User:MadMax/William Dauber, User:MadMax/Angelo DeCarlo, User:MadMax/Sam DeCavalcante, User:MadMax/William D'Elia, User:MadMax/Joseph Deluca. Best wishes, Xoloz 01:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Batch seven, woohoo! User:MadMax/Frank Deluca, User:MadMax/Sam DeStefano, User:MadMax/Paul DiCocco, Sr., User:MadMax/John DiFronzo, User:MadMax/Bill Dwyer (gangster), User:MadMax/Maxie Eisen, User:MadMax/Richie Fitzpatrick, User:MadMax/Waxey Gordon. Best wishes, Xoloz 18:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Joseph Todaro, Sr./temp

Could you add ISBN numbers to the References, and put web site links directly behind the allegations in the main text, indicating where the claims come from? User:Zoe|(talk) 18:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] RE: James "Buddy" McLean

Its always worth bringing things up on talk pages, if only for-the-record. And yes, i've been dealing with this guy for about a year now. He is quite obsessive about deleting "copyrighted" content from boston mob personality pages. He appears to be somehow connected to Howie Carr, and comes back on new IPs every few months. Sometimes he is absolutely correct, and sometimes he is completely off base. -Lanoitarus (talk) .:. 16:24, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I can understand his problem, and I would also agree he has every right to point out a possible copyright dispute, however I do think he goes about it the wrong way. MadMax 16:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] E-mail

Well, the reason I was pressing you to activate your e-mail prefs was so that we could send you the deleted versions of the articles to deNashify offline.

However, it looks like you and Xoloz are doing well enough with the userfy-a-dozen-or-so-articles-at-a-time thing. DS 14:14, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

  • I've moved the last batch of 'em out into articlespace (except that I personally would rather not be involved with the one for the guy who's still alive - get someone else to do that one). Next batch comiong whenever you want 'em. DS 14:38, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I appreciate the assistance, thanks. I'm ready for the next set anytime. MadMax 15:59, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
To begin, user:MadMax/Jacob Orgen (note the comments you made on the talk page about discrepancies in Nash!), user:MadMax/Anthony Strollo, user:MadMax/James M. Ragen, user:MadMax/Claude Maddox, user:MadMax/Jacob Shapiro, and user:MadMax/Joseph Rosenzweig. Enjoy. DS 17:21, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On November 24, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jimmy Fratianno, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Good work. This article was kindly nominated by GeeJo for inclusion on the main page. About 80% of the work is self-nom, so please don't be shy!Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:57, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I certainly wasn't expecting that. Thanks. MadMax 06:38, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Charlie "the Bug" Workman

Max, I was wondering if you know of any source materials on Charlie "the bug" Workman, who killed Dutch Schultz? All I see is Sann's bio, which is online, and Allan May's cribbing of it. He was released from prison in '64 and apparently still alive when Sann wrote the Schultz bio in 1970. --Mantanmoreland 15:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Here's a few good one's I've been able to dig up.
  • Abramovitch, Ilana and Sean Galvin. Jews of Brooklyn. Waltham, Massachusetts: Brandeis University Press, 200s. ISBN 1584650036
  • Chiocca, Olindo Romeo. Mobsters and Thugs: Quotes from the Underworld. Toronto: Guernica Editions, 2000. ISBN 1-55071-104-0
  • Fried, Albert. The Rise and Fall of the Jewish Gangster in America. New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1980. ISBN 0-23109683-6
  • Pietrusza, David. Rothstein: The Life, Times, and Murder of the Criminal Genius Who Fixed the 1919 World Series. New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, 2003. ISBN 0-7867-1250-3
  • Raab, Selwyn. Five Families: The Rise, Decline, and Resurgence of America's Most Powerful Mafia Empires. New York: St. Martin Press, 2005. ISBN 0-312-30094-8
  • Turkus, Burton B. and Sid Feder. Murder, Inc: The Story of "the Syndicate". New York: Da Capo Press, 2003. ISBN 0-306-81288-6
  • United States. Congress. Senate. Special Committee to Investigate Organized Crime in Interstate Commerce Investigation of Organized Crime in Interstate Commerce: Hearings Before a Special Committee to Investigate Organized Crime in Interstate Commerce. 1951. [3]
Zowie. Thanks. Trying to track down when he kicked.--Mantanmoreland 02:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Hmm..any luck trying the Social Security Death Index or perhaps an obituary search ? MadMax 02:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Nope, nothing on either appeared to apply to Charlie.--Mantanmoreland 19:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] hsaN

You'll get more articles to deNash in the morning.

BY the way, it's better to leave messages on the talkpage than on the userpage. The talkpage comes with an automatic notifier. DS 05:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I'm really sorry about that. I didn't realize that was your user page. MadMax 05:31, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Did you know

Updated DYK query On 25 November 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Richard Ferguson, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 07:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ayjay Obertray Ashnay

More material is at user:MadMax/Phillip Kastel, user:MadMax/Marshall Joseph Caifano, user:MadMax/Abraham Telvi, user:MadMax/William White (gangster), and user:MadMax/James Squillante. As for the talk-page-vs-user-page thing - eh, don't worry about it. DS 14:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Oh bugger, I mis-moved the Telvi article earlier. Whatever. It's in the right place now, so if you can fix that one also, I'll move 'em all out to article space when I get back from the planetarium. DS 23:30, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Abraham Telvi has been finished. MadMax 23:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK!

Updated DYK query On 25 November 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Joseph Esposito (mobster), which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Aksi_great (talk) 18:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nay Jobert Rash

More: user:MadMax/Frank Zito, user:MadMax/Joseph Saltis, user:MadMax/Samuel Morton, user:MadMax/Charles Carrollo, user:MadMax/Ilyas Sarkiyev, user:MadMax/Lawrence Mangano user:MadMax/Michele Miranda, user:MadMax/Peter LoCascio. Enjoy. DS 14:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Hm. Do you think it would be fair to delete Sarkiyev as "apparent Nash hoax/copyright trap", then? DS 05:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
In light of the facts, I don't really see any other choice unless additional sources can be found. MadMax 07:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Disappointing, ain't it. Well, have a look through these: User:MadMax/Fredericka Mandelbaum, User:MadMax/John Tronolone, User:MadMax/Rocco Racco, User:MadMax/Charles Reiser, User:MadMax/Morris Rudensky, and User:MadMax/Thomas Licavoli. DS 14:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Joseph Esposito (mobster)

There is a request for adding specific references in that article. Where the books used listed in "further reading" your sources? If so, the section needs to be relabelled "references." Circeus 21:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I've listed the sources in the "references" section. Thank you for notifying me of tthe problem. MadMax 15:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Did you know

Updated DYK query On 1 December 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nathaniel Butler, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 12:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I'm-a zap with you my Nobert Jash ray!

Next time, it'll be "JRN" in Morse Code. Anyway, here's a nice octet to work on: User:MadMax/John T. Scalish, User:MadMax/James LaPietra, User:MadMax/Agueci Brothers, User:MadMax/Anthony Scotto, User:MadMax/James Torello, User:MadMax/Antonio Lombardo, User:MadMax/Gus Greenbaum, and User:MadMax/Jack Sirocco. As for redirects, you might as well just re-create them from scratch; it'd be easier than having to rummage through the deletion logs to find them. O'Donnell - well, we were being thorough. I'll save that one for the next batch. DS 14:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Small... mm, don't know if I'd say it's a problem, exactly... user:TheChin has created a fresh version of Anthony Scotto. Do you want to incorporate your version with his? DS 14:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Sure, that would be fine. MadMax 20:41, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
user:MadMax/Mabel Walker Willebrandt, user:MadMax/Arnold Schuster, user:MadMax/Fiore Siano, user:MadMax/Joseph Zerilli, user:MadMax/Tom Reina, user:MadMax/Mike Heitler, user:MadMax/Jake Guzik, user:MadMax/Jack Zuta, user:MadMax/Little Pete, and user:MadMax/Frank J. Loesch. If you have a more specific list of German-American mobsters to be undeleted, let me know. More later. DS 13:39, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kshitij

Well my name is Himangshu Jyoti Hazarika. My previous article on Kshitij was removed as a copyright. This was totally unjustified since I was the author of the article that appeared on the said report and I was the holder of copyright if any. For verification of my credentials you can check our website [4]. WE have another article on Kshitij right now. Please don't remove it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hjhazarika (talk • contribs) 13:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC).


Thanks for the informationHjhazarika 07:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] One mroe person then it is an official wikiproject

We just need to recruit one more person to the british criome projecd and then the british crime project can become an official project. Thanks for all of your help so far keep up the good work.--Lucy-marie 20:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad I could be of help. I mentioned the project on the Australian crime WikiProject, in case anyone might be interested in checked the project out. MadMax 20:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oh shit.

Ack! There's more Nash books being used as references?!

We do not know which of Nash's books, if any, can be considered wholly reliable. You've already discovered two of his hoaxes; how many more are hidden within? Is there a hoax in every book, perhaps? He fills his material with copyright traps, and is litigious about it. As such, we cannot take the risk.

Any and all articles which reference any Nash books must be repaired and/or removed. Please spread the word. DS 23:40, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Sure thing. I'll run a google check right now. MadMax 23:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Did you know?

Updated DYK query On 9 December 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Joseph Quinn, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 23:16, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] eh, screw Morse Code

I count 56 redlinks left in your list of articles to re-create, which is more than I thought. Here's another 9: user:MadMax/Bowery Boys, User:MadMax/William Lipshitz, User:MadMax/Joseph Stacher, User:MadMax/Charles Solomon, User:MadMax/Joseph Ullo, User:MadMax/Shotgun Man, User:MadMax/Rocco Pranno, User:MadMax/Angelo J. LaPietra, and User:MadMax/John Sebastian Larocca. DS 15:25, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] The Commission (mafia)

Say Max, have you seen this article? I think an article on the Commission is a good idea and someone started one. Unfortunately it has some references to Lansky and Buchalter sitting on the Commission, which is of course not true. --Mantanmoreland 19:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

No, I wasn't aware of an article covering the Commission (as per the The Commission disambiguation page previously pointing to the National Crime Syndicate [5]). I am concerned that there seems to be a more frequent use of the Commission and the National Crime Syndicate. As far as I know the "Commission" was a loose regulatory body for the Five Families whereas the National Crime Syndicate was an Italian/Jewish dominated organization headed by Luciano and Lansky (although the extent of the organization's power in the underworld is debatable). I'll see what I can find on the subject. MadMax 19:44, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I think I'll be able to find some good stuff on the commission. I too shall look around. Alexbonaro 08:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Numbers

Eh, my "fifty-six" count was based on the number of redlinks on your userpage (minus the stuff that shouldn't exist, of course). I'm also going to check the list that you provided when mentioning this mess on DRV. How many you created yourself, and how many you just contributed to, I dunno. DS 15:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

  • User:MadMax/Walter Stevens, User:MadMax/Alfred Polizzi, User:MadMax/Joseph Sica, User:MadMax/Sugarman Gang, User:MadMax/Joseph Luco Pagano, and User:MadMax/Joe Luparelli. As for using photos that solely from Nash, I don't think so; if other authors used them as well, I don't see a problem (provided the proper licensing conditions are met, as usual).

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