Talk:Lynyrd Skynyrd
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I have never heard Johnny Van Zant sing. Can anyone recommend some songs (new or classic Skynyrd) sang by Johnny?--Secret Agent Man 05:58, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
At lynyrdskynyrd.com they have some samples of SHA and Saturday Night Special with JVZ singing. Just my opinion, but he doesn't sound too good.--Alexrules43 20:36, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] how many platinum and gold records has lynyrd skynyrd had. and how many concerts have they sold out. and how many tickets have they sold
Well, they are the top selling band on MCA Records (now Geffen), beating the Who. I think all of their original records went gold, anyone want to help a Skynyrd fanatic out?--Alexrules43 12:43, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Neil Young Rivalry
The notion that Skynyrd and Neil Young were actually fans of each other is actually a very recent claim. It is not necessarily factual, and is seen by many Neil Young fans as revisionist backpedaling in the name of good public relations. No one can ask Ronnie Van Zant what he thought of Neil Young, and although Young now claims that it was all in good fun, racial violence was nothing to joke about in the 1970s, especially for a singer in Neil Young's circles.
Paying tribute to a dead musician does not mean that there was never a previous rivalry. The statement that there was no rivalry should be qualified by saying that this is a recent claim made by Neil Young. Kafziel 20:12, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
According to the Drive By Truckers on their Southern Rock Opera Album the Neil Young song "Powderfinger" was written for Skynyrd but they didn't get round to recording it before the plane crash - although I don't have anything to back this up the rest of the stuff on the album about Skynyrd / Neil Young / Aretha Franklin etc is true so I'm sure they got this from somewhere credible.
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Steve: I think there is evidence that Ronnie Van Zant and Neil Young liked and respected each other in the 1970s, such as Van Zant wearing a Neil Young T-shirt. For what it's worth, here's what it says in Neil Young's 2003 biography, Shakey (p. 336):
>>Always game for a good joke, especially one that put his name on the radio, Young would laud "Sweet Home Alabama" in a 1975 interview, telling Bud Scoppa, "I can't do songs like 'Southern Man.' I'd rather play the Lynyrd Skynyrd song. That'd be great." Van Zant was a huge Young fan; the cover of the last original Skynyrd album, Street Survivors, shows him wearing his omnipresent Tonight's the Night T-shirt. Hearing the news that Van Zant and members of the band had been killed in a plane crash, Young played a medley of "Alabama"/"Sweet Home Alabama" in a tribute during a November 12, 1977 concert in Miami. Rumor has it that Van Zant was buried in the Tonight's the Night T-shirt.<<
[edit] Controversy - Dead Kennedys and "A Commercial"
For the record, no vandalism or inappropriate POV was intended by recent elaborations to the "Controversy" section of this article dealing with the Dead Kennedy's song "A Commercial". The changes may have been determined to have not followed POV or other applicable protocol and I certainly respect decisions made to ensure the accuracy and content neutrality of Wikipedia entries; I think, however, there was at least some validity to the disputed/deleted elaborations. The section in question reads, "[o]thers believe that this desecration was motivated by the 1986 Dead Kennedys track "A Commercial" which mockingly refered to exhuming the bodies of Lynyrd Skynyrd." The Dead Kennedys song in question indeed mentions "exhuming the bodies of Lynyrd Skynyrd". To wit:
"Have we got a telethon for you coming soon on MTV! A rockin' bankroll extravaganza featuring all your vigilante rock stars! Sammy Hagar...Sylvester Stallone...Clint Eastwood. It's so important we've even exhumed the bodies of Lynyrd Skynyrd! This ain't no sissy concert to raise food for the needy; this concerts whipped up the American way to raise money for guns for the greedy! So stay tuned and dig in those heels for...USA FOR SOUTH AFRICA!"
While it may be true that "[o]thers believe" these lyrics motivated the desecration of Lynyrd Skynyrd member graves in 2000, asserting that people "believe" something is, at best, a factual non-assertion. People believe a lot of things (especially about song lyrics and other forms of poetic expression) but belief alone doesn't make an assertion reasonable, valid, or relevant. A "belief" argument offered as fact or (here) factual possibility is just a variation of appeal to belief fallacy: "Most people believe that a claim, X, is true. Therefore X is true." For what it's worth, I "believe" that it's misleading to imply a possible connection between "A Commercial" and the grave descration, especially given the overall lyrical thurst and context of "A Commercial" (as I discussed elsewhere). A more accurate phrasing for the section in question might be: "The 1986 Dead Kennedys track "A Commercial" [1] satirically referred to exhuming the bodies of Lynyrd Skynyrd. While some posit a connection between these lyrics and the 2000 desecration of Lynryd Skynyrd members' graves, no evidence has been offered to date to confirm or refute any connection between the two." Unless, of course, such evidence does exist. It's not mentioned/cited in the article, and I don't know of any myself. In any event, I won't submit the edit suggested above because I really don't want to flog a dead horse, I respect the work everyone puts into Wikipedia and the tricky POV decisions that have to be made, and I'm glad to have made my minor point in this forum. Very metal 03:04, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
- I understand your argument but the sentence isn't asserting that the desecration of Lynyrd Skynyrd's graves was motivated by the Dead Kennedy's track, only that this was a theory proposed at the time (in the popular UK music press). The facts of what happened are quite clear, however I think we ought to include all the alternative explanations for them unless one is shown to be true. Conch Shell 09:45, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Rock & Roll Hall of Fame
The text correctly refers to the fact that the band have never been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame - however this is due to change at the 2006 ceremony.
[edit] documentary
As a kid, I remember watching a documentary about Lynyrd Skynyrd before the main movie (instead of previews). Does anyone else remember this, and is it available on dvd or vhs?
- I saw a VH1 documentary from a while back, I think I actually have that on my computer somewhere. I can't remember if it was before the main movie, but it was more about the band. 68.154.158.191 18:26, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- wasn't logged in. Zchris87v 18:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pronunciation Contradiction
The pronunciation for Lynyrd Skynyrd is different at the start of the article ("lin-nerd skin-nerd") and different in the first picture caption, which reads "leh-nerd skin-nerd"
[edit] International usage
"Airplane" was changed to "aircraft" (and reverted by myself) for "International Usage". Well, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. I suggest we change "Southern Rock Band" to "Southern United States American Rock Band". Zchris87v 22:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] grounded in a plane crash?
does that sound intentionally ironic to anyone else? i dont think its appropriateKarlJohannes 20:44, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Guitar Hero?
Should the main article mention that Freebird's featured in the video game Guitar Hero 2? Perhaps a trivia entry? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.218.235.39 (talk • contribs) 07:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC).
