Talk:Luna Lovegood

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December 2004 – July 2006

Contents 1 External Links 2 Picture? 3 Turnips and Radishes 3.1 Third opinion 4 Luna's Given Name

[edit] External Links

I would like to add an external link I have for Luna Lovegood/ Evanna Lynch. IT is a fansite, and I know we are not suppost to pu them on Wikipedia, but I think there should be one or two. What do you think? here is the link: www.freewebs.com/frenchdb

Thanks so much for asking on the talk page. I'm afraid that by Wikipedia policy, fan sites are strongly suggested against, unless they have been acknowledged by the subject. So, if J. K. Rowling or Evanna Lynch says that your site is the best site for Luna Lovegood information, then it's a different story. However, Wikipedia is not the place to gain publicity for your site. Sorry! --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 04:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture?

I'm not entirely sure it's appropriate to use a fan drawn image as the main picture. Is it? I think it would be better to use a photo of Evanna Lynch. Anyone else agree? - ^Рэд_хот 00:19, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Refer to the ongoing discussion on this general topic on the Wikiproject talk page. From scanning this discussion, I think that it would be best to wait until we have photos of Lynch in costume as Luna. This is because when she is not in costume, she does not create much better an image than any other fifteen-year-old girl with Luna's general appearance. -Phi*n!x 00:32, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

What about using the picture from chapter 10 of Order of the Phoenix? [1] - chicken queen 04:40, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

And aparently I should have read the archive first. Nevermind! :) - chicken queen 04:44, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Evanna Lynch fails as Luna.

The vast majority of people seem to think the exact opposite...

[edit] Turnips and Radishes

Where is Luna said to have turnip earrings? I live in Britain, and I can only find radishes in my OotP and HBP (P.236 of hardback OotP: "Luna was wearing what looked like a pair of orange radishes for earrings"; p.237, same book, "Ernie might be pompous on occasions like this, but Harry was in a mood to appreciate a vote of confidence from someone who did not have radishes dangling from their ears"; p.294 of hardback HBP: "Harry was glad, in any case, that she had left off her radish earrings, her butterberr-cork necklace and her Spectrespecs."). Where is she mentioned as using turnips as earrings? Does she have another pair? Is this accidental confusion (possibly due to the mention of Stubby Boardman being hit in the ear with a turnip in the Quibbler article on the train, where she is not mentioned as having any earrings)? Or is this vandalism which has been accepted as fact? Please clarify. Michaelsanders 13:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, turnip earrings sound rather unlikely anyway. According to their wikipedia articles, turnips are at max around 20cm in diameter, and radishes at max around 10cm. So radishes would be approximately the size of a large pair of earrings, and thus make sense to Lua as a pair of earrings. A giant turnip certainly sounds impossible: it would be keep thwacking into her shoulder, be like wearing a crystal ball, and probably rip her earlobe (a turnip did hit Stubby hard enough to make him want to retire, after all). So, has Luna ever worn turnips in her ears, or is it simply blatant vandalism (or possibly fanfic leakage)? Michaelsanders 14:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Continuing the saga...Having examined the history archive for this article, it appears that the turnip reference came in with the first introduction of HBP data by user Triggy, on 18/7/2005. The user may be American/have used an American edition (since s/he also made a reference to bottle caps, rather than corks), suggesting that the American editions may have her wearing turnips. However, the comments that Luna wears radishes in American editions would seem to suggest otherwise. For the moment, then, I suspect (hope?) that it was an honest mistake by Triggy, rather than deliberate vandalism; and that it was accepted and expanded upon by other editors here in good faith. Alternately, maybe there are some editions in which she wears turnips: if so, could someone please detail, since it would be useful and interesting to note the contrast in the article. After all, there must be some reference to her wearing turnips outside fanfic: given that I, having read only the UK editions, was immediately struck by what I thought was a fraudulent turnip detail and deleted it immediately the FIRST TIME I EVER VISITED THE PAGE, surely the rest of those involved wouldn't simply have allowed a wrong detail to be accepted and encouraged for more than a year? Surely, the widespread fan babblings regarding Luna wearing turnips (google: luna lovegood turnip) can't be based upon a clumsy mistake here on wikipedia? Surely not? Michaelsanders 15:53, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Michael, it's really late and I'm far too tired to check out my books, but if it's radish in the UK editions, there's nothing which could enhance the removal of that text from the article. Just WP:CITE it and that way it will never be removed again. If I remember (probably not) I'll check around my American editions soon. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 06:07, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Given the bizarrely prevalent belief that Luna does wear turnips (for whatever reason), I do think it is important to explain the belief as fully as possible in the article (we should give as much information as possible) - otherwise, it will leave the casual article reader confused and/or thinking that the article requires editing. You are welcome to suggest how such a section could be phrased, but I really think it should be included. Michaelsanders 00:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Michael, I understand your point, but I would have to draw the line and simply say that a belief of fans whether a character's earrings are radishes or turnips is unencyclopedic. As long as radishes is cited (which it is), anybody who decides to change the article will simply be reverted. If you like, you can wikilink radish and add in a brief note at the end of a relevent sentence saying something like, "not to be confused with turnips" (which you may also wikilink). However, an entire section on the confusion on some fan forums and boards is quite unnecessary. A reader of the Wikipedia article on Luna Lovegood is not going to want to read paragraphs on what some other fans sometimes confuse her earrings to be, though as I have just suggested, a sentence of even a half a sentence is good enough. Hope you understand. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 00:44, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure that I do. You claim that to make reference to the radish-turnip confusion is unencyclopaedic. I disagree. The purpose of an encyclopaedia is to present as much relevant information as can be gathered in a concise, clear and understandable manner. The fact that this confusion is quite widespread makes it necessary to make an encyclopaedic reference to the confusion. It isn't an issue with a loyal fan following of two which is trying to get itself noticed, after all. It is an issue in which the majority of the online fan community appears to have got hold of a different idea, and accordingly it needs to be referred to, for the sake of clarity and to present as much relevant information as possible. Moreover, I feel that since wikipedia may have spurred (indeed probably has), or even created this turnip belief through its own negligence, it is required to set the record straight (otherwise, it is likely that many readers will be left as baffled by the exclusion of turnips as I was by their inclusion). Michaelsanders 01:07, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Michael, just think about what the confusion is on: whether a set of earrings is made out of radishes or turnips. To tell you the honest truth, it doesn't make too much difference to me – it is a minor detail, but of course, it definitely belongs in the article to describe Luna's eccentricity. Still, the fact that some fans have an incorrect notion as to the vegetable from which these earrings are made is not important: it matters that this version, and all future versions, of the article contain the correct word: radishes. As I said, briefly disambiguating radishes from turnips (they are rather confusable, I have confused them a number of occasions myself) would be fine, but a whole section is not, in my opinion. Regardless, I've asked User:Deathphoenix, a strong user who I've seen contribute to HP articles quite often, to intermediate. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 01:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Because that worked so well last time...Oh well, I think I have a valid point, you think you have a valid point, so here we go down this ever-stretching road... Michaelsanders 01:47, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Since it seems like Deathphoenix has not made an edit in over three weeks, I've put in a request at Wikipedia:Third opinion. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 21:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

In response to the third opinion request, I think Fbv is right that a brief disambiguation is all that is required or appropriate. (1) Per WP:V and WP:RS, there is no way to support the statement that many readers believe that Luna wears radish earings unless a reliable source can be found that the misconception exists. (2) The encyclopedia articles get long and unwieldy if we need to include several sentences to rebut every misconception that might exist. Thanks, TheronJ 21:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Third opinion

I've added a little note that radishes and turnips shouldn't be confused. I don't think a whole paragraph about fan fiction is warranted by the fact that some people don't know the difference between one vegitable and another. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)} 21:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

If a blatantly false statement goes unedited for over a year, clearly there is *something* wrong. And if it was that easily believed, I do think it needs a proper explanation and clarification of the issue, along with references to the contrary belief having been taken up by many fans (as I said, googling 'Luna Lovegood turnip' gives quite a few results, in which most of the writers appear to believe that she wears turnips (and I would be VERY interested to know how such a confusion could arise. I don't see how people can get from the text word radish to the text word turnip. Confuse the two vegetables when seeing them, yes. Confuse them when written down, no). I admit that this is hardly an issue of earth-shattering importance in the Harry Potter Project, but I do think it is important, for the sake of thoroughness and clarity. And I repeat - if Wikipedia was showing misleading and wrong information for over a year, in the process misleading readers and other sites (that any answers data, for example), then we are required to give a full explanation of why we have now changed our tunes (and take it as a lesson for the future - to be more vigilant in rooting out wrong info).Otherwise, it does the casual readers an injustice also (it will take them all of 15 seconds to be puzzled by the turnip-radish change, and to click on the discussion page, and read all of this. But it should be in the article, in an orderly manner, not only available as our squabbling). Michaelsanders 23:18, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Look, Michael -- we've had not one, but two third opinions on this matter. Wikipedia doesn't need to "apologize" for any sort of error it publishes. (There are exceptions, though, when the situation is harmful to the parties being discussed.) When a "casual reader," as you say, comes to visit the page and sees that it's radishes, not turnips, any previous thoughts, whether read on Wikipedia or a fan board, should immediately be put to rest because we have cited the text as saying radishes. You seem to want to comfort the reader of the page, and that's not necessary, despite the nice gesture. We were wrong before, and we've corrected ourselves, and shown that this revision is the right one. There's nothing else to it. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 04:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand why simply saying "not to be confused with turnips" or "sometimes confused with turnips" isn't enough. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)} 18:21, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Luna's Given Name

Her given name is actually "Luna". But who called her "Loony"? --PJ Pete

I can't find the exact textual reference, but she is called it behind her back and even matter-of-factly talks to Harry about it. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 02:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh – even Ron calls her "Loony Lovegood" sometimes. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 02:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)