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Contents 1 No Polish passport 2 Player Profile 3 Votes for Deletion outcome 4 Sources? 5 Podolski's origin 6 Photo of Podolski and Boruc 7 Trivia 8 Point by point 9 Schweinski

[edit] No Polish passport

German wikipedia discussion:

Lukas Podolski hat nur die Deutsche Staatsangehörigkeit, einen polnischen Pass hat er nicht. Damit dürfte die Diskussion um eine doppelte Staatsbürgerschaft beendet sein. Andreas Stops, ans sport GmbH (Management Lukas Podolski)

abgesehen davon, dass es mir egal ist zwei punkte zum vorstehenden (nicht signiertem) beitrag von Benutzer:Stopsi; warum ist anzunehmen das du Andreas Stops vom Management Podolskis bist? und weiterer; sagt das Management immer die wahrheit? *grins* ...Sicherlich Post 14:25, 14. Jun 2006 (CEST) Gerne kannst du unter 02161/821280 anrufen. Diese Nummer steht auch auf Lukas´ Website. Für weitere Infos stehe ich gerne zur Verfügung. Wieso sollte man eine doppelte Staatsbürgerschaft leugnen? Gruß Andreas Stops

Wenn das so ist sollten wir den Artikel auch entsprechend ändern. Oder hat jemand wirklich handfeste Belege für den polnischen Pass? Diese polnische Zeitung war wohl bisher die einzige Quelle für eine doppelte Staatsangehörigkeit. Hans Schäfer 11:20, 15. Jun 2006 (CEST) In der aktuellen Ausgabe der SportBild sagt Podolski, er habe keine doppelte Staatsbürgerschaft. --BLiZz@rD 16:00, 15. Jun 2006 (CEST)

Ich habe es rausgenommen. --Streifengrasmaus 16:06, 15. Jun 2006 (CEST)

Podolski has polish passport polish nationality and polish citizensip because he has polish parents and all Polishborn childs from polish parents has polish nationality and citizenship in the power of law

Can anyone find any sources either way? Kingjeff 20:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Just read his Interview in the magazine SportBild from 15.June 2006. Because he has no polish passport, he could not play for the Polish national team. If you don´t believe me ask his management under 02161/821280 !

[edit] Player Profile

1. FC Köln is used in this section as is 'Cologne'. Is there a naming method and if so can it be stuck to.. use German names throughout or English, don't mix and match. Evident in this line: "Even though Cologne failed to avoid the drop Podolski had shown what he could do, scoring 10 goals in his first 19 senior appearances. This was the best tally by an 18 year old in the history of the Bundesliga." Thnom 09:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Votes for Deletion outcome

Per the discussion at VfD, this article has been kept. --TenOfAllTrades(talk) 23:43, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sources?

Can a source be provided for these comments/conjectures?

 Germany coach Jurgen Klinsmann is continously praising him 

 Because of this, clubs such as Bayern München have manifested their interest in Podolski

Aabha (talk) 14:14, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

That Klinsmann is high on Luke is well known, but there is no article that really pinpoints it. That FCB has interest in Podolski is really well-documented, but only in German media. Podolski has been targeted by MANY big German clubs. Onomatopoeia 08:16, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

No need for more discussions because Podolski achieved both of the claims. He became the striker of Germany(teamed with Klose) and he moved to Bayern München. With respect, Deliogul 22:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Podolski's origin

Well someone (Jacek Kendysz) changed Podolski's origin from Silesian to Polish. My question is whether he is also of German origin. If not why would he otherwise be given the German nationality? I believe Miroslav Klose is truly of German ethnicity. Meursault2004 16:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/weltfussball/artikel/202/79123/

Am Sitz der "Sozial-kulturellen Gesellschaft" der deutschen Minderheit im oberschlesischen Oppeln (Opole) wie auch im Haus der Deutsch-Polnischen Zusammenarbeit in der sechzig Kilometer südöstlich gelegenen Industriestadt Gleiwitz (Gliwice) herrscht geradezu Jubelstimmung: Die Oppelner sind stolz auf den in ihrer Stadt geborenen Miroslav Klose, sein Vater Josef stammt aus einer deutschen Familie. Die Gleiwitzer sind nicht minder stolz auf den von dort kommenden Lukas Podolski; seine Großmutter wohnt noch dort, ihre Muttersprache ist Deutsch.

Die Familien Klose und Podolski sind in den achtziger Jahren als Spätaussiedler in die Bundesrepublik gekommen. Sie hatten Anspruch auf die Aufnahme in die Bundesrepublik, weil die Großeltern vor dem Krieg Reichsbürger waren. Das kommunistische Regime in Warschau bestritt zwar offiziell, dass in Oberschlesien noch Deutsche lebten. Doch war es auf Kredite aus dem Westen angewiesen.

I think his grandmother/grandfather was a ethnic Pole, but was born in Silesia when it was German in about 1935 and therefor she/he was a German citizen. Therefor the family had the right to go to Germany in 1987.

I don't know if Lukas Podolski is of German ancestry. Answer for your question: it's possible to acquire German citizenship by naturalization (you can read about it here). Jacek Kendysz 14:33, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Is he both Sielesian and Polish, because Silesia has both Czech, Pole and German peoples. Bona Fides 21:11, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Podolskis family came as Aussiedler, this means specifically that they claimed German ethnicity and on that basis receceived citizenship. Two states in the world award citizenship to foreign nationals based on their ancestry: Germany and Israel. Read about it at de: Lukas Podolski and de:Aussiedler

How do we know all this. Is there anyway we can comfirm this? Kingjeff 00:37, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Couple of myths to dispell. Germany and Israel arent the only ones. Asamoah also was awarded citizenship. His father was Waldemar Podolski (Pole), his grandma and cousins live in Gliwice (Poles). A lot of Poles migrated to Germany for political/economic reasons in the 80s, some with ancestors, some without. Give some sources which precisely give who in his family, if anyone, was German. We know Miroslav's dad was half-German. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.5.241.79 (talk • contribs) 01:52, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

His family come from Kresy, as most people in Gliwice —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.5.198.167 (talk • contribs) 04:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Here is something some of you might be able to do. How about looking for a source to see if he has any German background? If we find something, problem solved. Kingjeff 03:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I think Lukas is one of the sweetest football player of the germany football worldcup group. I am a fan of him. But who not???

Poldi doesn't dislike the German anthem. He exclaimed it was "fantastic" to have it on his boots. http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/060511/1/6r0a.html I don't know if he sung it. Perhaps he didn't. Perhaps he did. It's not interesting and not proven or disproven by any one so far. No need to argue about stuff too trivial to be called "trivial". There are songs about him. That's more remarkable . City-17 22:35, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

As per the article: "The Podolski family had the right to move to Germany because his (mixed Slavic-German Upper Silesian) grandparents had been residents of the German empire (Reich) until 1945 when they became Polish citizen."

I'm not sure why this description is so ambiguous and odd. Posolski's parents are both considered ethnic Germans by Germany because their grand parents were all ethnic Germans -- citizens(not "residents"). Just going to shorten this and clean it up. Ernham 19:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)ernham

[edit] Photo of Podolski and Boruc

I know that the two of them are both of Polish descent, but they do play for different teams, Boruc for Poland, Podolski - Germany. The caption as currently written is misleading to people who don't know Podolski's true origin. For the sake of international football Podolski is all German, thus...I think a rewrite of that caption is in order to clearly distinguish that Podolski (while polish by descent) is not talking to a teammate in Boruc, but an opponent who happens to also be from the country that Podolski hails from. Batman2005 01:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree --Splette ^Talk 00:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

Do we really need the trivia section that was added a week ago? It seems clearly POV to me as all the points are about how 'polish' Podolski is. --Splette ^Talk 02:49, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

good point, trivia sections are generally looked down on. For the most part, anything that is encyclopedic enough to be listed in "Trivia" will likely be in the article elsewhere. Batman2005 03:22, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Or the title of the paragraph should be changed in something like "Podolski and Poland". Meursault2004 11:20, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, there are now new infos which have nothing to do with Poland. Let's hope the list gets thicker with awards and such as his career progresses. Pawel z Niepolomic 14:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Insert non-formatted text here== Zofia Budzińska ==

Please provide a source which supports the Reichsbürger theory. Also, "Babcia" does not speak German als Muttersprache. Pawel z Niepolomic 18:00, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

The source clearly states "Die Familien Klose und Podolski sind in den achtziger Jahren als Spätaussiedler in die Bundesrepublik gekommen. Sie hatten Anspruch auf die Aufnahme in die Bundesrepublik, weil die Großeltern vor dem Krieg Reichsbürger waren." - The families of Klose and Podolski have come to the Federal Republic as late-emigrants of the 80s. They had the right to immigrate because their grandparents were citizens of Imperial Germany before the war.

Who or what "Babcia" is you can explain or not.

Answer given, case closed and stop undoing other parts you haven't commented on (like the image caption or the question of his Polish passport)! City-17 18:14, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

The journalist, Urban, should be taken with a grain of salt, as he didn't even take the time to check if his Grandma speaks Polish or German als Muttersprache. The headline immediately gives away the author's intentions. If you could provide another neutral source which proves the Reichsbürger theory, then we can include it. As for the citizenship issue, many Polish citizens do not have passports. As far as "dla Babci", Bigos and Heimat go...

Don't try to focus on the author rather than on the article, or is there anything extremely special to know about him which has the undeniable ability to void all his works' credibility?

Maybe there are Polish citizens without passports, there are, and that's for sure, A LOT of German citizens that don't speak German. His grandmother's language doesn't make any change.

If you have any idea of German newspapers, please understand that BILD is not the most authoritative amongst them. Of course this doens't mean it's wrong. Though, I can't find any statements in that url of yours which have a meaning for that article.

Yours faithfully City-17 19:46, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I combined the trivia about Podolski's feelings about Germany and Poland in one trivia "bit", adding information about the unique boots he wears and his impressions of them. 68.115.63.242 16:38, 5 August 2006 (UTC)ernham

[edit] Point by point

The Podolski family had the right to move to Germany because they were ethnically German, as Lukas's grandparents had been German citizens until 1945 when they "became" Polish citizens. Podolski grew up in Bergheim, North Rhine-Westphalia, near Cologne.

• Instead of tabloids, please show me a source from a respectable biography that states that his parents are "ethnically German".

• I didn't write it but put that back in because it could be true. I found a source now and edited it. City-17 17:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Despite being born in Poland, Podolski has German citizenship only.

• Should read: As a result of being born in Poland, has Polish citizenship [/sarcasm]. That you include such a "fact" kind of reveals your intentions.

• It reveals MY INTENTIONS? You don't know MY intentions. You only know YOUR intentions. See the above section No Polish Passport. Podolski admitted to not having a Polish passport in SportBild. City-17 17:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

He wears unique shoes that display the Brandenburg Gate and have inscribed the words 'Unity, justice and freedom' -- from the German national anthem. "It is special to have the words of the national anthem printed on my boots. It is fantastic," Podolski said.

• I seperated this "tidbit" and requested a citation. Now see why I revert your version? Esp. with the historical name on a contemporary topic? Now please try editing some other articles instead of only Podolski and Klose, and how not-Polish they are. Pawel z Niepolomic 16:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

• You did't read the discussion page, I provided a citation already: [1] . And you didn't read my most recent version, there was NO »historical name on a comtemporary topic« anymore!

What article I edit, it's none of your business. City-17 17:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Please explain Pawel z Niepolomic how the clubs in which his parents had played are relevant to the early career of Lukas. Please explain on which sources you base your »He is a dual Polish-German citizen« and why this would overwrite the information about his passport. City-17 11:51, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I will trim it. His bio is the source. Many Poles dont have passports, yet they are still Polish citizens. Pawel z Niepolomic 23:16, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

His »bio« is your source? Where exactly is his bio? Just because you say many Poles don't have passports doesn't make that statement wrong. I also fail to see why you insist on »emigrated«. Explain these things first before you force them again. City-17 00:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Schweinski

I have noticed that there is a considerable lack of the Schweinski angle in this page. if You don't know what I'm talking about, Bastian "Schweini" Schweinsteiger + Lukas "Poldi" Podolski=Schweinski. They are great team mates that are always cooperating and work very well together. There has been a lot made of this in the German Media and I can't help but notice this page is pathetically ignorant of it.

--Jadger 04:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

And how can we incorporate that into the page? Kingjeff 04:14, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure, I am asking for input/ideas to help with this. I know for instance, that Schweinsteiger was responsible for recruiting him to come to Bayern over the other big name clubs, as they are best friends. that could be included following the section about the trade from Köln.

--Jadger 14:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)