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[edit] Something you might need to be aware of

Since you've been around in similar circles to me recently, you might notice some peculiar edits connected with this:[1]. Also, review of my edits on this matter is most welcome if you have the time. --kingboyk 12:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FAR nominations

That sounds reasonable. :) Judgesurreal777 16:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I hope Judgesurreal777 is just busy in real life. Joelito (talk) 20:42, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Layla

I have reviewed Layla. My comments are on the FAR page. If they are addressed I will move for the article to keep its FA status. Joelito (talk) 14:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

I think i'm just the person who frequents it the most and archives most everything, people will often chime in eventually from the project now and again to give an opinion. (Mostly in time for discussions to get a decision) Homestarmy 21:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, one other thing, I just thought I should warn you to be careful on delisting articles (especially science related ones) just for inline citations, since we had that fight and everything with Science article editors and one of them insists that we list that criteria as "disputed". And also, the GA delisted template has a function in it to enter the date in when you've delisted articles that has to be entered in manually. Homestarmy 00:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA Delistings

I have a question about your (many) recent GA delistings. You say you fail on 2b yet you post a link where it is disputed. If it is currently disputed why are you falling articles based on it? Cbrown1023 22:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't dispute that there should be in-line citations. I just mean that it seems a little self-contradictory that you also post that there. Also, just because a page does not have in-line citations does not mean it should fail. Only if it needs citations and doesn't have them should it be failed. Plus, there seems to be citations at the Horror film page (which is the page I am referring to). Cbrown1023 00:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm very familiar with the guidelines (having reviewed a few myself) and know the policy. I also do realize that they weren't "visible", but that does not matter because any inline citations are appropriate per the guieline you cited. (I'm don't think they were there prior to then, so just strike this comment if that is the case.) I will of course re-deslist it. (It's being rereviewed if the criterion are not met.) I only reverted it because I saw this on two occurances and I'm the one who has to re-grade the articles you de-class; I just wanted to know your reasoning based on the current dispute. Cbrown1023 00:16, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but you missed the clause above it (Category:Film articles by quality): You should not assign any article GA or FA grades arbitrarily. (In certain instances this is okay though, like Filmmaking.) These grades must pass through official Wikipedia channels. Plus, I entirely disprove of you just removing the grade completely; I'd be more apt to agree with you if you changed it to the next lower rating (a "B"). Cbrown1023 03:56, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Charles Atangana inline cites

Hi, LuciferMorgan. Would you mind returning to Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Charles Atangana and explaining your objection? I'm not sure what the objection is and would like to properly address the issue. Thanks, — BrianSmithson 22:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Note 6 - it just has the name of the author (no page numbers). LuciferMorgan 23:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

(Moving conversation back here to avoid fragmentation.) Ah, Note 6 (and other notes that give only an author name) refer to webpages and thus have no proper page number. -- BrianSmithson

[edit] GAR

Pls respond at Wikipedia:Good_articles/Review#Robert_Baden-Powell.2C_1st_Baron_Baden-Powell Rlevse 03:41, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] archiving at GA/R

Hello,

Should I simply manually delete the section regarding the 6 train articles? That's not quite the same thing as archiving. Thanks--Ling.Nut 05:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Got it, never mind, thanks..--Ling.Nut 05:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Editor's Barnstar

		The Editor's Barnstar
		...dunno if you're into barnstars, but you got one anyway. For sterling work on WP:GA/R. Ling.Nut 11:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] new rules about delisting GA

Hi LuciferMorgan,

There are brand-new rules about the delisting procedure on WP:GA/R. Some people have worried that they will slow up delisting of flagrant violations of WP:WIAGA. However, I think they are sufficiently elastic,as Homestarmy noted in a post (on Wikipedia talk:Good articles/Review) beginning "I don't like having to wait for immediete delisting either..."--Ling.Nut 21:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

(reply from my talk page): I didn't think you were being rude.

I might not be around much for a couple weeks.... but "I'll be back." I see you hang around FA. I might do that some day later too.

Cheers --Ling.Nut 04:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Agrippina (opera)

Hi LuciferMorgan,

Please forgive the intrusion. May I ask you to explicitly vote on the GA of Agrippina (opera), or explicitly repeat your vote if you already voted in that long discussion? It has already been the subject of prolonged debate, and I believe it deserves some closure.

Thanks --Ling.Nut 15:20, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I think your concerns have been addressed - the potentially POV notes have been referenced. The rest of the article is already heavily referenced. Moreschi 09:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah. Well perhaps you would mind specifying for me which statements require further cites? Best, Moreschi 18:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FAR comment

You said: "why do editors keep open FARs that have no work being done after the limit has expired?" I had been away for the weekend with no internet access. This is the reason why the FARs were not closed. If you wish to get my attention on a particular FAR you may leave me a message on my talk page. Take care. Joelito (talk) 19:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I didn't think you were making a nasty comment. Joelito (talk) 19:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Beatles Newsletter 008

I'm trying to get some info into the current newsletter, to be found here, and I note that you are pretty hot on what is up for, and has been, deletion from FA status. If you want to add any info (and bag yourself an editor label) or comment on the talk page, please do. LessHeard vanU 22:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Could you spell out what the acronym FARC means - I'm pretty sure it isn't a Colombian revolutionary party in Beatles context - so I can expand on it (whether it is good or bad) in the newsletter. Thanks. LessHeard vanU 22:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Why aren't you a Project member anyway? You have certainly contributed more in recent times than many of those whose names do appear on the list! I do have ulterior motives, naturally - I can note you joining in the next Newsletter (I really am able to go that low to fill up column inches!) Thanks for your help... LessHeard vanU 23:03, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

All it commits you to is receiving the Newsletter (reason enough not to want to join, I suppose), but even then you can request non-delivery. Seriously, your advice and comments regarding referrals of articles to review has helped enormously - and as commented above you have been a lot more active in the project than some on the list. In the end it is your choice, and if I do seem to be badgering you (which I will now stop) it is only because I appreciate your efforts. Cheers. LessHeard vanU 00:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Jim Royle voice: Bloody hell Lucifer, just sign up will ya?! ;) --kingboyk 02:37, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sad note

Just wanted to make sure you've seen User:Marskell. Sandy (Talk) 22:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

He left for an illness: I'm sure he'll be back shortly. Sandy (Talk) 23:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Punk Rock

Wondering if FARing this article interests you - it's listed on our list of articles lacking citations, but it has been largely cited since that list was drawn up, so we should be able to get a quick Keep out of a FAR, with some minor copyediting and finishing up on the references. What do you think? I don't have time or interest to work on finishing it up, but thought you might. Sandy (Talk) 00:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - I was just poking around for some articles that could be easy "saves", since we got very few keepers in Marskell's absence, and I was hoping he could return to some good news. I don't really have the knowledge or books to take that article on myself, so I'll let the idea go ... Best, Sandy (Talk) 00:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I worry about approaching a group of editors I don't know: sometimes they take it wrong, ya know? Sandy (Talk) 00:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Macca and prose

Re; Prose. It's not as hard as you think, LuciferMorgan. I think I've worked this Wiki thing out, although it's very different to normal methods:

• Delete all the adjectives and POV.
• Avoid too many paragraphs (even if they are needed). Work on the assumption that if it looks connected, and flowing, then it is. Too many paragraphs make it look like a bullet-point list (which editors absolutely loathe... :)
• Think of how a police report looks. It's all, "The car came from the left, which was travelling at 50 miles per hour, and struck the on-coming vehicle on the right side..." It may seem pedantic, and boring, but editors absolutely love it, and it does make everything clearer, and easier to read.
• Compelling Prose: If there is something in there that is not common knowledge - i.e., fresh and interesting - then it will be an enjoyable read, which is what we all want, is it not? (Putting something new in gets more points...)
• Buy a book on any subject, and paraphrase the content (to avoid copyright problems). "McCartney played under a different number of names when playing with other groups." Changed to: "When McCartney played with other groups he used many different names."

You probably know all this already, but if you don't, I hope it helps. --andreasegde 17:56, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Allmanbro59

Thanks. I've indef blocked this one. If you see any other account adding the same link to an article, feel free to let me know. Thanks, Gwernol 00:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Megadeth a FAC

Hey dude, just wanted to let you know I finally bit the bullet and put Megadeth up as a FAC. Thanks again for all the cite help and general guidance. Just looking at other FAC comments, I hope they aren't too brutal on me... ugh. Skeletor2112 06:53, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] email failed; Lebanon

I just sent you an email but its delivery failed.

I also just removed an entire section ("Education") from Lebanon as copyvio.

Sigh. --Ling.Nut 15:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

There wasn't really anything terribly significant in the email. It was just a comparison of the cases of Lebanon and Arabian horse, and the lessons to be learned. [Including: Look for IP edits :-) ].

My email was bounced as spam. Perhaps a spammer has got hold of my email address. That's not unlikely; it has happened to some of my other email addresses & I had to jump through a couple extra registration hoops before I could participate in some forums.

Later --Ling.Nut 19:19, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disruption on Operation Downfall

If you continue to mass-add fact tags to this article, I'm going to block you for disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point. Raul654 20:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Block someone for adding {{fact}} tags?? Disruptive? WP:POINT? I mean, really, are you serious? Do you think you can make your argument stand? I sure hope you have some other disruptive behavior to point at as evidence...

--Ling.Nut 22:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The diffs for his edits make my argument for me. Adding dozens and dozens of fact tags, to virtually (literally?) every sentence in an article (which goes *far* beyond any citation standard anywhere on Wikipedia) is a textbook case of disruptive editing. Especially so when, as the edit shows, he was so bent on adding as many of them as possible he was adding them to already cited sentences. So yes, I'm quite serious, and anyone doing such a thing to any article can expect a block. Raul654 22:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I was adding cite tags to specific numbers which can easily be error strewn - by the way Ling.Nut, believe him when he says he'll block anyone, as he's the Featured Article Director. Also, if you consider mediation, judging by his userpage he is a member of the arbitration committee so that wouldn't work. Did I forget to mention Operation Downfall was originally nominated for FA by the Featured Article Director himself? LuciferMorgan 22:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

First, in the past, people adding a whole bunch of fact tags to articles on every uncited figure has been seen by most administrators that i've seen to be disruption :/. While I think the case is often blown highly out of proportion, as is likely the case here what with the third person perspective ban threats, a whole bunch of fact tags filling an article do make it look very odd, the general references template I think would be better in those kinds of situations. However, the Meditation committe appears to work separatly from the Arbitration committee, and I don't think Raul is on the mediation commitee, and since User:Essjay who seems to run the bot for the comittee just returned, I think mediation cases can proceed nowadays. But even if this got to Arbitration, I really don't think Raul could just remove ArbCom requests like he might try to remove entries in Featured Article reviews and whatnot, I think he'd probably recuse himself. Homestarmy 01:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Macca

Kingboyk, and LessHeardvanU did some great work on it, and I have to look through it in the cold light of day. Sorry to hear about your troubles with another editor, but I was warned yesterday (for the very first time) for telling the truth (Ouch!) You have my support. --andreasegde 23:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] recent conflict

I do hope that you return soon. Tony 01:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

If he does, I'll be the first to complain. But best if he can just be encouraged to chill off and stop interfering with the process. Then we can do the real work. (He seems to have become more aggressive over the past six months—not good.) Tony 01:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh! Man! I have a test at 8 am tomorrow! If I can be of any help later, let me know. But here's a thought — I saw Kirill Lokshin's name in the early section of the page (didn't read the whole thing, sorry! Will tomorrow!). He seems to be the patron saint of sanity, to me at least...

I put a link to that page on Homestarmy's page. Hope that's OK.

Besides, it seems you have more than a little support already. But go a little easy, eh?

--Ling.Nut 01:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree; it's hard to go easy in the thick of it, but this little storm will pass and we'll all return to the important thing: raising the quality! Concerning "was to/would": was it ALoan who called this the "back-slung conditional"? While not wrong, it can become tiresome in a narrative-based article (history- and story-based). I discourage it. Tony 02:02, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I replied on my talk page. It may not be what you want to hear. :-(

--Ling.Nut 02:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

(undent). Once again, on my page. But maybe... maybe some separation between you and him, in both time and space... for a brief while.. might be a good idea... I dunno. It might be a good thing to let a few suns go up and down on this problem. Just my opinion. --Ling.Nut 03:03, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Megadeth

Next I'm going for Iron Maiden, with some Slayer on the side. They keep putting up Slayer for GA, but it needs a lot of work, so I am adding some stuff to help it along. Skeletor2112 05:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Cool, I think Maiden is much closer to reaching FA status again than the 'Deth page ever was, so it shouldn't take so long. I also have "Run to the Hills" by Mick Wall, I'll have to break out again, that thing was pretty comprehensive, especially for the older stuff. Skeletor2112 05:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I forgot they re-released that book, I have the 1998 edition, I'll have to check exactly when I get home later. Other than page numbers, is there any content difference? I assume they added stuff from 1998 on. Skeletor2112 05:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, regarding your note about lead paragraph cite's on Megadeth's FAC page, even mention of the band's style and sales shouldn't be cited? Looking at Rush (band) and Pink Floyd, I see some cites, should I just remove the general cites, or all of them? Skeletor2112 06:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Little Bighorn

I am working to restore the article's GA rating by adding in sources, footnotes, etc. Much more work to go, but at least the effort is underway. Scott Mingus 12:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] two hours' sleep...

I got two hours' sleep last night, but got the cr*ppy paper done. Hope things are going well. --Ling.Nut 01:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TMNT 2

Hi LuciferMorgan, I reworked the last paragraph in the (Reception) section. I did not really write much of the article, just added a lot of references and so on. That section was kind of opinionated and un-referenced. I shortened it and added a reference.Thanks:)Davey4

[edit] Graniteville train disaster

The name on the GA Pass rings a bell... from similar contexts, perhaps..?--Ling.Nut 22:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

1. Research: ask Homey if the rule about editor's can't pass their own article existed at that time.
2. Research: then comb thru the hist of WP:GAC looking for similar examples.
3. I dunno where you would report this. There may not even be a place; it is simply a violation of WP:GAC guidelines. I dunno if it's a violation of Wikipedia guidelines. Probably not! Ask Homey.

--Ling.Nut 22:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Bourbonnais train accident is still a GA; I'm saying I believe we have delisted other articles for the same reason that were passed by the same person.--Ling.Nut 22:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hi, i recently requested a review on Slayer from an experienced wikipedian and she said it required a copyedit by some fresh eyes. I was hoping if you have some spare time you could go over the article and point out any grammar errors and such or direct me to someone else who could do so. Thank you :) M3tal H3ad 13:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Algoma Central Railway

You forgot to leave a [[[WP:GA/R]]notification on the article's talk page... --Ling.Nut 20:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] te — di — um

It is getting rather tedious. But frankly I think the arguing is just gonna continue, until we start passing out free GAs. That's what the people want. :-) --Ling.Nut 23:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

NPOV on a Boyscout page? Nobody has any beefs with Boy Scouts except for the whole homosexuality thing, and that is not relevant to an article about an individual group or pack or whatever (though it would be relevant to an article about Boy Scouts as a whole). My two cents. --Ling.Nut 00:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Macca

Thanks a lot for keeping a watch on the McCartney article. You always make very concise points, which really help a lot. Respect is due... --andreasegde 00:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RFC

Slambo's comment looked eminently reasonable. Perhaps you should retract your RFC (if you haven't already). --Ling.Nut 00:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Megadeth is an FA

Holy shit - that is awesome! And before I could even fix the images... I couldn't have done it without you dude, thanks a million for all the help & guidance. Now Maiden is next! \m/ Skeletor2112 05:22, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Cool, I will begin on the Maiden revamp this week. I know what you mean about "unhelpful edits" that slow up the process. It was almost good that no one really cared about the Megadeth article when I started, I didn't have much trouble there with counter productive edits (as is the case with ceritan other metal band pages right now..) As far as the US flag in the Megadeth infobox, I was just following the lead of other band articles I saw at the time. I don't really have a preference either way, tho - so if you prefer, feel free to ditch it.

Maiden tonight, huh? Fuckin awesome! I was out of town and missed this tour, I really wanted to see them play the new stuff (I hear they do all or almost all of the new album live), like "For the Greater Good of God" and "The Legacy" - brilliant stuff. I was lucky enough to be front row at the Universal Ampitheater show in LA with Dio, and Tribe of Gypsies (Roy Z's band) opening, back in on the Virtual XI tour. Yeah yeah I know, everyone but me hates Blaze Bayley, but I like those albums, The X Factor especially. Best show of my life, got one of 'Arry's wristbands - maybe my most prized possesion the world, as Steve Harris is God in my book. Enjoy the show! \m/ Skeletor2112 09:52, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] delisting

Before delisting an article, don't forget to leave a message on the article's talk page, then wait for a while. I suggest at least one day. --Ling.Nut 22:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Macca, again

We need your vote on Macca's talk page about which section to fork. (1,000 words less and we have it in the bag...) --andreasegde 05:06, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Peer review/Jenna Jameson

I rewrote some of the listy bits - do you have a moment to see if it's better, or needs more work? Thanks for your help! AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 15:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In-Line Citations

Re the "Chepstow Bridge" article, by "In-Line Citations", do you mean a tag in the text, 1, 2 etc, referencing the specific book or article referrred to? Peter Maggs 06:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA backlog

I won't be doing anything for at least a week and perhaps a month, depending on how busy I get. Besides, physics/math etc. May be a special case. But I will definitely get around to all this. --Ling.Nut 16:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)