Talk:Luciferianism
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[edit] hear
I heard they use bibles to prove that lucifer is a good spiritual being... They use bibles to outsmart those who oppose thier beliefs or doctrines. I heard rumors that they have "decieved" or took away members from various of churches to join their religion. I don't know if that's really true but I hope those of you who read this might try to prove it wrong or right.
- Lucifer was an angel, although he is mentioned mostly in the Apocrypha, which is also where the only actual mention of the Fall is. E.g. Lucifer can be seen in words such as "elucidate" the Latin root roughly meaning light-bearer, from the Greek φώσφορος[1]. The rest is a bunch of hollywood adolescent fantasy and paranoid urban myth, I heard the same b.s. too once, but I decided to investigate on my own, rationally. Not only read LaVey, because you might be blurring a line between Luciferian and Satanic which is admittedly already ambiguous, but read the 1992 FBI Report --Satanic Ritual Abuse By Kenneth V. Lanning, Supervisory Special Agent Behavioral Science Unit National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime. And for goodness sake, the last place people from the Left-Hand path want to be is around Christians and churches - that is Hell. I'm Agnostic, for the record, but I share a certain kinship with this feeling. You can take the Christian out of the church but you can't take the church out of the Christian. And if s.o. were hypothetically "tricked" against their will into believing something, their low IQ and poor convictions are to blame, not Satan. Also, it's not hard to outsmart most Christian laymen with their own Bibles, though there are always the exceptions, the "wikipedians" of the world, whom I do respect. I read the KJV Bible cover to cover when I was 11 (it did take 2-3 months). I'm still no Biblical scholar but I know it better than someone who only reads the parts their pastor tells them to. I'll end saying this: under no circumstances believe what people tell you at face value. Under no circumstances believe me either! Go out, do some research, and come to your own conclusion whatever that might be. Find out what you believe. No one has a monopoly on Truth - γνῶθι σε αὐτόν. Khirad 09:19, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] the process
The Process might be mentioned on this page as Robert DeGrimston had a three god belief system including Lucifer. Khirad 11:14, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
So since Khirad read the Bible at 11, he must fully understand all of it and is an authority on Biblical exegesis...? --Mikepope 02:40, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] ?
If satanists don't worship the devil/satan or any other "god" then why do they call themselves satanists? It would make more sense if they used another name, so people would not be thrown off by the name.--Moosh88 00:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- MODERN satanists (as opposed to TRADITIONAL satanists) say they don't worship the devil/satan or any other god. as for traditional satanists, i'm more and more under the impression that there are different versions of traditional satanism, and that they don't all believe and/or claim to believe the same thing, so i'd prefer not to make broad, generalized statements about traditional satanism and traditional satanists. Gringo300 04:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
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- I think the name is for shock value, since Satanism is basically a philosophy. Hedonism with an anti-Christian name. Ric 04:08, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Maybe it's just me, but certain portions of this article seem to be biased in favor of Luciferians, and it speaks very little about their relations and differences with LaVeyan Satanists. Perhaps an NPOV check or small rewriting is in order?
68.53.121.170 15:23, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Question, regarding clarification
I have a question regarding the clarification of wording used.
In the beginning of this article there is the following paragraph.
Luciferianism is often identified as an auxiliary of Satanism, due to the canonical identification of Lucifer with Satan. Some Luciferians accept this identification, and thus could properly be called Satanists. Others reject it, arguing that Lucifer is a more positive ideal than Satan. They are inspired by the ancient myths of Egypt, Rome and Greece, Gnosticism and traditional western occultism.
To whomever wrote the above paragraph: In the last sentence, "they" refers to whom exactly?
They are inspired by the ancient myths of Egypt, Rome and Greece, Gnosticism and traditional western occultism.
Does "they" refer to..
- all Luciferians?
- the division of luciferians that view Lucifer as "a more positive ideal than Satan"?
- or the Luciferians whom accept the identification of Lucifer as Satan?
Please clarify. Thanks. sloth_monkey 09:39, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Question, regarding references
Under the header, "Religious/Traditional Luciferianism", there is the following paragraph.
It is also considered by some Luciferians that Lucifer is the name of an alien entity, or race of entities, that exists outside of our awareness and that also genetically manipulated early primates thereby creating the human being.
I am intrigued by this notion, as it parellels the ideas of some conspiracy theories I've heard. Please cite sources for this information and, if possible, elaborate to explain the beliefs further. sloth_monkey 09:49, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Alien conspiracy
Should the text regarding the conspiracy theory involving aliens really be classified under the heading of "Religious/Traditional Luciferiansim"? Shouldn't it be moved to a different heading, recognizing it as a seperate class of Luciferianism from that of the traditional religious Luciferianism? sloth_monkey 10:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Extraterrestrial-based Luciferianism
Citation is needed for this article. The only group of Luciferians that associate themselves with this sect are those that are involved with Aaron Donahue's movement. However, that information is obsolete since you kind folks at Wikipedia deemed him as not being notable. So, why does this even exist? --Oublier 17:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Entity Known as Lucifer
Does anyone else find this inappropriate?
"Lucifer is Satan- He was cast out of heaven for trying to be like the most high which is not possible. Read the bible more and understand it - dont just read it - believe it!"
Shall we remove it?
