Talk:Lostprophets

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Contents 1 Merge members 2 Redirects 3 lostprophets wrote "Sweet Dreams My L.A. Ex"!? 4 Name of Band 5 Best 6 Liberation Transmission? 7 More Links 8 ilan rubin 9 Citation issues 10 Name Pt. II 11 Town Called Hypocrisy 12 Good Article: Delisted 13 Jamie Oliver Disambiguation 14 Band Picture 15 Genre 16 Personal Opinions 17 External Links 18 Can't Catch Tomorrow (Good Shoes Won't Save You This Time) 19 Capital L 20 Bad Introduktion 21 New Image 22 Couple of changes 23 Charts 24 Former members 25 Genre Issues and Reverting 26 Glorified Demo 27 Alternative metal? 28 Semi-protect? 29 Name, again 30 Why has so much been deleted? 31 The New Transmission 32 Welsh or British vote 32.1 Welsh 32.2 British 32.3 Comments 33 Singles

[edit] Merge members

All of the band's member pages are rather stubbish, while this article isn't really that long. If no one has any objections, I'm going to merge them all in here. - Lifefeed 15:58, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Redirects

Redirected all band member name stubs back here, they had no useful content and the band members are not notable for anything else apart from the band. Djbrianuk 22:00, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] lostprophets wrote "Sweet Dreams My L.A. Ex"!?

Ermmm I don't think so...

then who did? - Bagel7

Cathy Dennis wrote it.--Shrimpster

thanks - Bagel7

[edit] Name of Band

Does this need a technical limitations headline? Is the band name "Lostprophets" or "lostprophets"?

lostprophets, I'm almost certain. --Kiand 18:31, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

I've seen "lostprophets" as the correct spelling/referral by/from hardcore/hard-line fans. I believe the technical limitations tag is called for. --Zeryphex 14:24, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

its definitely lostprophets - Bagel7

No, it's "Lostprophets". It only ever appeared as all lower case because it looked better in the font they did an early logo in (Ian used to do graphic design and has a decent feel for that sort of thing). VKPS 21:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Further to my earlier comment, I'm going to change this to the correct name in a day or two unless anyone objects. This has been confirmed by Cat from Dragonninja (the only fansite thanked on every LPs album) with the band in the last fortnight; who has already corrected MusicBrainz. VKPS 16:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Best

I recal reading somewhere (maybe the DragonForce website) that lostprophets beat out the band DragonForce for the band of the year in the UK in (I believe) 2004. Might be interesting to note. --Silvermoonburn 03:40, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

then note it - Bagel7

They also won best uk band at the pop factory awards this year.--Shrimpster

[edit] Liberation Transmission?

Could somebody please reference where it was confirmed the the third album will be titled Liberation Transmission? I know that it says "Liberation Transmission: June 27th" on their Myspace, but I wouldn't put it past Ian Watkins to edit their Myspace like that as more of a teaser than an actual confirmation of title. Thanks.

The PRP--Shrimpster

[edit] More Links

im gonna add some more links. - Bagel7

[edit] ilan rubin

he hasn't been confirmed as being the actual new band member he's only been confirmed as being the new drummer for the past wales tour in April and for GIAN 2006

ok now he's been confirmed from a site

[edit] Citation issues

I have a number of concerns about the lack of adequate citations in certain parts of the Lostprophets article: As per the comments made during the Featured Article debate, the article makes the claim that Lostprophets are 'widely credited' with popularising certain aspects of fashion. Not only is this claim rather questionable and reeking somewhat of post hoc ergo propter hoc (obviously, we can't definitively point to the tipping point of those phenomenons, but in the case of trucker hats, are we to believe that Lostprophets had more to do with popularising them than Marc Jacobs or Von Dutch?), without a citation (preferably more than one) to qualify 'widely credited', the sentence becomes even more inappropriate for the page.

In addition to these, the article's use of citations is pretty unacceptable - while the references section briefly lists a number of articles alluded to (without corresponding inline citations to indicate which claims come from which interview), so many claims in the article lack proper sources, something which is essential for Good Article status.

I wanted to bring this up on the talk page rather than going straight to remove the article from the good article list to give the active editors a chance to re-evaluate the page in accordance with the GA criteria, but if after another couple of weeks the article still doesn't shape up, I'll request a review of its GA status. Cheers. Idp 21:02, 18 May 2006 (UTC)AMIE

[edit] Name Pt. II

The home page says LOSTPROPHETS; the MySpace says Lostprophets. Neither suggest the band preferring a lowercase l.

The band themselves have noted that. - Bagel7 07:58, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Source? DragonNinja (big LPs fansite) investigated this very recently and the band told them otherwise. The original logos were all lowercase because it looked better in the fonts being used, not because it's the band name. VKPS 16:52, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Noted what? That the l should indeed be lower-case? --213.40.131.66 12:58, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Town Called Hypocrisy

Someone has listed Town Called Hypocrisy as the second single from Liberation Transmission. Where was this information got from? I couldn't find anything of the sort on the internet.

Right, stop adding this. If it has been confirmed as a new single, post citation with it. If not, do not add it. How hard is that? 217.43.18.40, you have been warned! U-Mos 17:29, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Told you it was the next single before the album was even released.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by YesMapRadio (talk • contribs).

Yes, well done, now please look into your crystal ball and tell us all the future holds (sarcasm). DO NOT ADD A NEW SINGLE UNLESS IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED, NO MATTER HOW LIKELY IT IS! U-Mos 11:09, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article: Delisted

As the numerous flaws I addressed a couple of weeks back have still not been addressed - indeed, as when they were brought up in the peer review and featured article nomination, they were simply ignored, I've removed lostprophets from the list of 'Good Articles'. Suggestions for improvement can be found under the heading 'citation issues' as well as in the peer review and featured article nomination page. Idp 00:07, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jamie Oliver Disambiguation

I'm not sure what Wikipedia's policy on this is, but I thought I'd bring it up anyway. Even though Ian Watkins doesn't have his own page, he appears as part of a disambiguation page if you search for him (the link redirects to this page). Should the same be done for Jamie Oliver? I would do it myself, but I have no idea how to go about it.

There's a dab line on Jamie Oliver. The name would need more meanings to warrant a dab page.

i have now made pages for most band member and BTW the guys real name isnt jamie oliver is it so there is no nedd to do anything--Childzy_talk^contribs 21:22, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Band Picture

OK - that band pic is VERY out of date! May I suggest [1] as a replacement? I can't upload it myself because I'm not a registered user. Anyway, you might be wondering why the picture only features five members - not Ilan Rubin. Seeing as he does not feature on the new album, and so isn't on any promo pics etc., I don't think he should be in Wikipedia's picture. So can someone please upload that picture and replace the old one with it? Thanks 213.122.68.204 18:49, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

And while we're at it, could someone please use [2] as the title of the infobox? It would look really awesome! 81.131.70.96 18:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

This would be a great idea as those images are the most updated of the band, but the Wikipedia upload file states that unless those images are public domain, they are not to be updated. Could someone verify whether or not Imageshack hosted files are public domain? --DJFrank 09:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

No, they are emphatically not public domain. In my experience, the best band photos for Wikipedia's purpose are press release photos. This does not mean any old photo used in the press -- just because it's published in a newspaper or magazine does not make it fair game -- but we can use a photo issued by the band's record company or management in a press kit. This is a packet sent to newspapers, radio stations, and sometimes music retailers to promote the band, and usually includes an "official" band photo that is intended to be used for purposes like ours. See if you can locate one of these -- they often have a white border with band information in small text at the bottom. (See Nick Rhodes for one example.) Upload it with the {{promophoto}} tag and be sure to include information on where you got it -- the pic is much less likely to be deleted if another Wikipedian can verify that it's okay for us to use. Good luck! — Catherine\^talk 14:08, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, a different version of the same picture's been uploaded by someone. The quality's a bit rubbish, but it's better than the oudated pic from before! Clearly if anyone stumbles upon a better version it would be appreciated - and using their logo as the title would be awesome! U-Mos 16:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Genre

I'm glad that somebody changed their genre to pop-rock instead of alternative metal.

Oh, please... and it was changed back anyway - and quite right! 213.122.132.25 17:49, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't we add emo to their genre. DavidJJJ 07:34, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't really think they are emo (which in and of itself is hard to define these days) and Ian even said on their Myspace page a while ago that they don't consider themselves emo. If you buy the new album and upload it to iTunes, the genre comes up as metal, but I think they are more alternative rock.Lizzysama 21:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Rock is a good choice for the genre at the start of the article, as lostprophets have songs that could be classed as a billion different genres. Fake Sound if like post-hardcore meets nu metal, the new album is like We Are Scientists covering The Cure.

please remember to sign posts with ~~~~ thanks, Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 15:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

i think that they arnt emo than they are Alternative Rock—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Captaincookie (talk • contribs).

[edit] Personal Opinions

I want to add somewhere that their new album is a piece of garbage, how can I do this? ````—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.246.151.219 (talk • contribs).

Well you go to a forum, and voice any (completely wrong) thoughts of yours there, not here. And you sign comments with ~~~~, not ````. U-Mos 09:47, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

who says its completely wrong. its opinion.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.111.235.3 (talk • contribs).

Fair enough, but this is still not the place to voice them. U-Mos 18:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

Any requests for changes to the external links section go here. DO NOT request that their myspace is included, as it is found from lostprophets.com. U-Mos 19:37, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

"DO NOT request that their myspace is included, as it is found from lostprophets.com."
This should be added to the do not edit comment in the article edit box.
— Michael 21:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can't Catch Tomorrow (Good Shoes Won't Save You This Time)

I heard this was going to be the next single.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by YesMapRadio (talk • contribs).

a) Sign comments with ~~~~, b) no new singles should be added until they are confirmed - so until there is no doubt and c) tomorrow is spelt tomorrow. U-Mos 14:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

http://uk.sonymusic.co.uk/forums/lostprophets/showthread.php?t=11434 - is this considered a valid source? Dragonninja seem to be taking this as true and say it's the new single on their main page. 82.6.67.134 21:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)Cf

This does seem valid, however the post does say they are PLANNING to release it. I have added this to the liberation transmission section of the article, but it should not be added to the singles table until there is more concrete evidence that it is the next single. U-Mos 12:22, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Capital L

The MySpace and message board both have the band's name beginning with an upper-case L. Relevant?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.112.209.212 (talk • contribs).

This has been discussed many times; look up! It's lostprophets. U-Mos 10:32, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bad Introduktion

Why does it say that Lostprophet is a "GAY welsh POP band"?? That is for the first untrue! The second thing; all the articles are supposed to be written from a neutral perspective! This is my report to the articles introduktion and I think it should be rewritten or removed!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dewiee (talk • contribs).

It was reverted U-Mos 18:16, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Image

I'm not sure how to do it, but if I could, I would change the current image on the page. Maybe to the first picture that was there, or any other old picture prior to "Liberation," since they dressed much simply for the majority of their career (As opposed to the New Romantic image now up.) I know this makes little difference and is just a matter of opinion, but I don't feel their current image represents them well. But it's the music that really counts.

[edit] Couple of changes

- I've removed the part about controversy and press in the introduction. Felt like this wasn't needed here. Perhaps one or two lines about SS and LT?

- I've removed the quote about ATCH being the next single. Now it's out it's not really needed.

- I've removed the quote from months ago about LT's sound. Now the album is out it's not really needed and also it was an old blog on myspace so it can't be referenced.

- I've removed the "Liberation Phase II" name for the tour. I've not seen it called this anywhere and the citation needed has been there ages. The fact there's an upcoming tour is enough.

Hope there's no objections to any of that. 82.6.67.134 21:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)Cf

Those are good edits, well done for being bold and doing them. U-Mos 12:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Charts

Do you think a paragraph about LT's chart performance is appropriate? Namely that LT has fell from the charts quicker than SS did, and the fact that though it did get #1 album it did so with quite low sales compared to other #1s (see the 2006 in uk music page). Also the fact that ATCH only got 23, which for a second single is quite low when you compare to SS's singles. Only Shinobi and Goodbye Tonight charted lower then that. 81.106.195.9 11:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)Cf

All that would be useful, but I think it would be better off on the Liberation Transmission page. U-Mos 16:20, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Former members

There needs to be some citation for the listed former members. How do people know that there was previously a guy called Shane, Greg Knight and DJ Stepzak in the band? And as for Rahul Srinivasan, I am almost certain this is vandalism but I don't want to remove it in case it is true! However, if citation is not added to the article or listed here, I will have to remove these former members from the article. U-Mos 10:11, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Genre Issues and Reverting

I reverted the article due to the inaccuracy of the latest edits:

- in the Current Line-up section: "Mike Richards - Vocals" (?);

- in the Start Something section: "taking a break from bumming each other"(?!);

- in the Genre tag: "Emocore/Nu metal";

While the first two are obvious vandalisms, I'm sure the genre issue will continue to be argued.

I think a solution to this problem is to consider the description stated by the lostprophets official page on myspace.com, which is "Rock / Alternative / New Wave". We should keep the genre debate on the talk page not in the article itself. Does anybody object? Violethope 17:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I think just "rock" band in the summary along with "alt metal" "alt rock" and "hard rock" in the summary on the right are accurate enough. They don't need changing, so unless there's a consensus reached in the talk page that it should be changed then just edit any changes people make to it. Especially change it if someone puts emo :/ CfW 18:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Glorified Demo

That £6000 needs a source... As with the former members ultimatum let's give this a week before we wipe it off. CfW 22:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I found and added a source for thefakesoundofprogress recording cost. Seems that £6000 was wrong. Violethope 16:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alternative metal?

This isn't alternative metal. It's poppunk. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.89.24.41 (talk • contribs) 21:55, 10 October 2006.

By practice, we will first classify them according to websites and reviews. In the absence of that, we will go by popular definition. But failing both of that, we come up with our own categorisation by our own experience of their music.

As a listener of their music myself, I agree it's hard to classify their music. In that scenario, we usually give artistes multiple categorisations, or put a section explaining the debate on categorisation. Ariedartin JECJY ^Talk 15:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I think "rock" in the introduction is fine. thefakesoundofprogress can be classifed as alt metal so it's valid to have that in our genre list. I don't think i've ever seen anyone refer to them as pop punk before. We currently have Liberation Transmission classified as "pop rock" rather than "hard rock" as it used to be. I left this edit be as I agree with it, but it was done without any discussion. What are other people's thoughts? CfW 17:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

The band are not alternative metal. They're a hardcore-influenced mainstream hard rock band, mouthful though that description may be. --Switch 08:28, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-protect?

There have been alot of anon users vandalising this page recently, and most useful edits come from registered users. I think it might be a good idea to request semi-protection for this article. Comments? U-Mos 21:01, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

That would be a great idea. This article is trashed on a daily basis. I'd love to read it for good information not just to clean it up :) . Violethope 19:25, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Right, I've nominated it for semi-protection. Now we wait... U-Mos 14:02, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name, again

"The band is named after a bootleg recording of a 1988 Duran Duran concert in Italy[1]. The name is intended to be spelled out as all one word, all in lower case."

That note doesn't lead anywhere. As much as I personally prefer "lostprophets" to "Lostprophets" I'm finding it very difficult to find somewhere to confirm this. A recent addition to the dragonninja faq says the proper way is "Lostprophets". The lp website forums has it listed as "Lostprophets". The lp myspace page says "Lostprophets" and they sign their bulletins with "Lostprophets". The visible noise website seems to use both variations, so they're not much help.

Any chance of a source stating definitively that it's "lostprophets" as at the moment "Lostprophets" seems to be the correct way... CfW 09:46, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Keep it as it is until there is definite confiormation either way. I think it should be lostprophets. U-Mos 10:39, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

There is definite confirmation. The update to the Dragonninja FAQ came from Cat (the owner) speaking to Ian Watkins (the lead singer) about it. VKPS 22:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

http://www.moacsupreme.co.uk/faq.php

Q: How is the band name spelled? "Lost Prophets," "The Lost Prophets," or "Lostprophets?"

A: The band name is one word, "Lostprophets." No space, capital L and the rest lowercase, no "The." Why? Because that's how the band wants it. How do I know? Because Ian told me so himself.

As much as I prefer "lostprophets" I think the evidence points to it officially being "Lostprophets"... CfW 16:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll give until Friday evening for a source to be supplied saying it's "lostprophets", otherwise i'm gonna change it. CfW 19:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Done. Also added a few sentences about the different spellings. CfW 16:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Good work, although I hoped it would be lostprophets *sob*. U-Mos 17:55, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

So did I, it's soo much better. At the end of the day though we've gotta go with what it is on here :( CfW 19:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why has so much been deleted?

Huge sections of the article have been removed with no discussion on this page about it. All the stuff about people leaving Andrew WK gigs after lostprophets support set and the stuff about them getting bottled at Deconstruction and the stuff about Donatella Versace flying them to her home and giving them free clothes because her kid was a massive fan is all true and can be found in the articles cited in the references section at the bottom of the page.

Almost everything about the backlash against the band has been removed, as well as stuff about them cancelling gigs including their slot at the Reading and Leeds festival before the release of Start Something. Reverting now will be a pain in the ass because some good updates have been made to the Liberation Transmission section which will need to be kept.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.61.200.145 (talk • contribs).

This was done a while ago by Xinit. Although annoying, everything removed was done so because of it being POV and/or unsourced. Basically, the info previously there could be readded if it was reworded slightly and given a verifiable source. U-Mos 15:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The New Transmission

I don't think a forum post by some (what appears to be) random guy really qualifies as a source for this being the next single... CfW 21:39, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I thought about this, but I think people can look at the citation and decide for themselves whether to believe it. I have added into thie singles table that it's not confirmed though. U-Mos 13:34, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I did go a bit overboard there... I've added a line to the history section with a link to the forum thread. U-Mos 18:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welsh or British vote

Thought this would be easier as a vote. I have put the article back to Welsh, and this should NOT be changed until a consensus is reached (which won't take long, I feel). Just put your username under Welsh or British and any and all comments under the comments section. U-Mos 11:35, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welsh

CfW

VKPS

U-Mos

Gwernol

[edit] British

User:87.127.54.17

[edit] Comments

I've reverted this a couple of times already, but don't want to get into an edit war over it.

I think the article should state them as a Welsh band rather than British, because they come from Wales. There is nothing at all wrong with referring to them as Welsh. People from Wales are Welsh, as well as British. The editor suggests Wales isn't a country: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_(terminology) suggests otherwise.

What are other people's thoughts? CfW 19:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Welsh band. Welsh people are British, but sounds can often be characterised/influenced by particular regions so to call them specifically Welsh seems reasonable. VKPS 00:22, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Definitely should be Welsh; Wales is so a country! Calling them Welsh is more specific. U-Mos 11:35, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I expected these kind of unfounded comments from idiots who base their arguments on groundless nationalism. Even Wikipedia doesn't recognise Wales as a country, see:list of countries. Wales is ruled entirely by the UK parliament, has the same laws, the same citizenship, and there is no controlled border between the two regions. Very few people in North American or European Countries would know what you're talking about if you tried to tell them that you're from "Wales", further adding to the argument that it isn't a recognised country. Having a flag and an anthem doesn't make you a country. Wake up and smell the coffee. The details box should state that they're from the UK and are British, but I have no problem adding later in the argument that they're from the Wales region of the UK. 87.127.54.17 17:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Please do not make personal attacks. There is no need for it; I have struck them from the above. Unless you have evidence to support your speculation about people's views of Wales' status, you aren't adding anything to the discussion. Even if there was evidence that few people know Wales is a country, it doesn't mean anything. Most people don't understand the Theory of relativity, that doesn't mean it isn't true. The status of a country isn't determined by popularity contests. Wales has historically been a country, its currently technically a principality which is a type of country. I see no reason why Lostprophets shouldn't be considered a Welsh band. Its precise and specific. Gwernol 17:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

You are biased because you are Welsh. I have provided evidence to support my argument, Wales is not on Wikipedia's list of countries. If you want further evidence, see the acts of union. Wales has never been and never will be a country, that is fact.87.127.54.17 19:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm not Welsh, don't jump to conclusions based on my user name. The "evidence" you provided also doesn't list England or Scotland as countries, are you about to remove all references to them as well? Even if we accept that Wales is not technically a "country", that doesn't mean that someone cannot be Welsh. Britain is not a true country any more as partial sovereignty has passed to the European Union. Should we list The Kinks, The Rolling Stones and The Who as "European bands"? Of course not. They are quintessentially English bands, and Lostprophets appear to be Welsh in a meaningful sense. Gwernol 19:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

There are so many factual inaccuracies in that post. Firstly, Scotland and England aren't countries either, they're regions of Britain, just like Wales. Although England is sometimes used as a synonym for the UK. Secondly, on you EU point, the UK is still a true country because the UK can leave the EU any time it likes, something I'd be keen to see but that's another debate. The EU is a kind of glorified UN and is not a nationality or country. 87.127.54.17 21:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

If you look under Welsh music in Wales, it show that the lostprophets are a Welsh band not English, and, as a point of interest, Scotland was an independent state until May 1707.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cglenholmes (talk • contribs) at 18:03 on November 6, 2006.

How is that relevant? I haven't said that they're "English", I said that they're British, which is correct. We're not talking about Scotland, either. 87.127.54.17 19:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Singles

"I Don't Know" was a US single and so is "The New Transmission" just that they never release b-sides or anything. It's just radio airplay. You could search it on the prp.com or on the official lostprophets forums. -Shrimpster Dec 8, 2006 (UTC)

Radio airplay only=not a single. U-Mos 18:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC)