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[edit] List of Los Angeles Kings players

I have started a List of Los Angeles Kings players. It would be a great help if when adding a player to the main Kings article, that same player could be added to the list. Thanks! Masterhatch 15 August 2005

[edit] Notable Players section

There are consensus formats for the major subjections in Notable Players to be found on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ice_Hockey/Team_pages_format. In particular, players listed in HOF sections must have played a significant number of games for the cited team and that their play for the team have a material impact on the players' election to the HHOF. For Not to be forgotten, entries should be based around twelve players for expansion era teams (double that for Original Six teams), be well balanced for position and inclusive of the entire history of the team, not merely the last decade. Criteria should include career leaders and winners of league trophies and honors, as well as players of unusual notoriety. Players already cited on the Team Captain, Hall of Famer and Retired Numbers lists are not included. Otherwise, what you have is list creep, where every player anyone ever liked is added, and someone like Neal Broten (who played a total of 19 games in a Kings' uniform) or Billy Smith (5 games) can seriously be cited as having an impact on Los Angeles hockey history. It's been suggested that other players who contributors feel meaningfully impacted team history be worked into the main article. RGTraynor 08:58, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Notable Players section

Being rather new to Wikipedia, I wasn't aware of "consensus formats." Thanks. However, at least in the case of who should be listed as HHOF players for a particular team, Wikipedia should not be dictating who should be listed and who should not be. Rather, the official listings of the Hockey Hall of Fame should be used. Otherwise, it's as if Wikipedia is setting additional requirements that the HHOF does not recognize. While I agree that players such as Harry Howell, who played just two seasons (143 games) for the Kings (who were awful in those seasons), made their mark in the NHL with other teams, the HHOF lists players such as Howell with all the teams they played for. Wikipedia should do the same. Gmatsuda 08:38, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

We aren't trying to contradict the official hall of fame in any way. by having consensus formats, we are trying to keep team pages from being overloaded. As it is, we have a complete List of members of the Hockey Hall of Fame. If you are so inclinded, you could add the teams that the players played for after the players' names.
For example:
If we listed (on the team article pages at least) every tom dick and harry that played for each team that is in the hall of fame, we would get (as we had only a month ago) great long useless lists. Personally (and many other wikipedians seem to agree) that the team pages aren't player lists. Masterhatch 14:10, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
My own comments, which echo Masterhatch's, are in detail on the Team Page Format talk section, where the complaint was duplicated. RGTraynor 19:08, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Los Angeles Kings Records

I am moving the team records to their own page (Los Angeles Kings Records) just like the Edmonton Oilers Records and Montreal Canadiens Records. With the records on their own page, all the team records can be added. Masterhatch 04:01, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Where's Roman Cechmanek?

I've haven't seen him play with the Kings this season (05-06) yet. Mightberight/wrong 20:21, 27 October 2005

Nor are you likely to; he's playing in the Czech league this season. RGTraynor 07:56, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fixed a bit of a problem with the logos

I removed the alternate logo from the infobox as it was already on the main page, and pointed that fact out. NoseNuggets 10:41 PM US EST Nov 17 2005.

[edit] Captains List

Luc Robitaille, doesn't belong on the "Captains List", he was only Interim-captain (wearing the 'C', in the abscence of Captain Wayne Gretzky, while Gretz's was out of the line-up). Gretzky was still Captain. I've a similar argument on the Buffalo Sabres article , in the "Discussion" area. GoodDay 21:38, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

And you're similarly wrong here. Robitaille is listed by the NHL Media Guide as having served as captain that season; that's authoritative enough, I believe. I'll revert it now. RGTraynor 08:15, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
GoodDay is correct in his/her characterization of the situation--Robitaille was named as captain while Gretzky sat out the first three months of the season with a herniated thoracic disc. When he returned to the lineup in January, 1993, Gretzky resumed his captaincy. However, it has been officially recognized for a good number of years now that Robitaille was indeed the tenth captain in the Kings' history. He is listed as a captain during the 1992-93 season in both the 2005-06 Los Angeles Kings Media Guide and in the 2006 National Hockey League Official Guide And Record Book. Gmatsuda 09:26, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Well, if the NHL Media Guide, a "verifiable source" listed Robitaille as a Kings Captain (not just interim-captain), then who am I to dispute it. Robitaille was indeed captain of the Los Angeles Kings (for the first half of 1992-93 season). GoodDay 15:53, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Ya know, the citations of those publications has been listed in this article for awhile. This whole thing could've been easily avoided... :) Gmatsuda 22:30, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
The more so in that every team in the league's been gone over long since using the same verifiable sources. We really pretty much got it right the first time, GoodDay. RGTraynor 06:17, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Do we really need to indicate periods when there was no captain? Seems like a little thing that isn't really necessary, IMHO. Gmatsuda 03:25, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

It's pertinent information (and done that way project-wide), and to leave those times blank altogether just invites questions. RGTraynor 13:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
OK. I can live with that. :-) Gmatsuda 23:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Current Roster

I just restored a previous version in which I indicated that Noah Clarke is on the Kings' roster, but that he was recalled on emergency basis...thought it might be useful information. Someone removed that information earlier.

I'm not saying it should or shouldn't be included. I'm just wondering why it was removed? Gmatsuda 23:03, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season-by-season record

Has there been any consideration as to whether to add the season-by-season records for the Kings or not? --Buchanan-Hermit 19:21, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Not sure why they are not there. If you're up to it, go for it.. Just ry to keep it consistent with the other teams. ccwaters 19:52, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Done. Boy, the Kings have a long history... Feel free to check for errors and mistakes because I'm not going to until well after 24 hours from now. I've had enough of the Kings for one day. :) --Buchanan-Hermit 04:15, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1990-91 "Division Championship"

I re-looked it up...the Kings 2005 Media Guide states that they did indeed win a division championship in 1990-91...that's definivite enough. :-) Gmatsuda 03:26, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

As much to the point, the NHL Official Guide says so, as does Hockey DB and numerous other sources. A little research goes a long way! RGTraynor 07:43, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article citations

What is the deal with the style of citations in this article? They are all spread out in different sections. Unless someone adds footnotes as per Wikipedia:Footnotes sometime soon, I might move everything to a "References" section (as per Wikipedia:Citing sources#Complete citations in a "References" section). Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:16, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm still somewhat of a Wikipedia newbie. I'll fix the citations when I get a chance. Gmatsuda 08:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

OK...I've started fixing the citation style in the article. I hope I've got it right now. Will get to what I haven't fixed later...it'll be a work-in-progress for awhile. Gmatsuda 11:24, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I had some spare time today, so I finished fixing the citation style in the article. There were a few sub-sections that I didn't change because there was no point (the citation(s) applied to the entire sub-section). There are A LOT of citations...Some may think it's over-kill. However, my thought is that what is in the article is now backed up just about entirely with something to substantiate and validate it as fact.

I hope I did it right... Gmatsuda 20:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Also, do we really need citations on the rosters list? -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 05:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Not anymore...been discussing this on the main ice hockey project talk page. :-) Gmatsuda 05:37, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
If one hasn't noticed already, I've taken a torch to much of the references on this page, removing obvious references or stuff that could be found on other Wiki articles, and using the ability to reuse the same source in multiple places to cut down on redundancy of references. I'm about to hit the sack, but I'll probably get to cutting down more references when I'm done with classes tommorow. —NeoChaosX [talk | contribs] 06:42, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Good; this is far and away the most citation-overrun article in the WikiProject. To quote from WP:CITE, "Attribution is especially needed for direct quotes, information that is contentious or likely to be challenged, and superlatives and absolutes (such as statements that something is the best, first or only one of its kind)." Mere facts such as that a certain player was acquired in a trade, a coach fired, a player leading the league in a statistical category, or that the Kings won (or lost) a particular playoff series are easily verifiable and uncontroversial, and shouldn't require citations. RGTraynor 07:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Poor sightlines at the Sports Arena?"

This is the first I'd heard of that being a reason why the Forum was built. I'd thought is was so Cooke would be able to keep income from other events like concerts, and to more easily secure an NHL team. The reason the Lakers and Kings were locked out at the start of the 1967-68 season in the first place was because the Coliseum Commission didn't want the Lakers to move to Ingelwood.

Staszu13 19:23, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


Does anyone have a way to verify whether or not the sightlines at the Sports Arena were poor when the Kings played there? If not, the part about the sightlines should probably be removed from the article. Gmatsuda 00:40, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Given that no one has been able to substantiate whether or not the sightlines at the Los Angeles Sports Arena were bad (or not) for hockey, I have removed this from the article. Gmatsuda 06:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Section in article about McSorley stick blade incident

Does anyone know what is wrong with the part of the article talking about Marty McSorley's stick blade being too wide during the 93 Cup finals against Montreal? It appears in the article when you go to the edit page, but mysteriously doesn't appear in the main article. Gujuguy 22:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Had something to do with the citations. I moved them around a bit and it's OK now. :-) Gmatsuda 22:31, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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