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Contents 1 SuperShadow VfD 2 Joe Mele's talk page 3 Thanks 4 JoeMele 5 Hello!

[edit] SuperShadow VfD

Greetings: pawing through the SuperShadow edit history, I noticed you've edited the page in question before. I thought you'd want to know it is now the subject of a Vote for Deletion, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SuperShadow. If you want, you could stop in there and cast a vote. --Maru 22:09, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Joe Mele's talk page

See User_talk:RN#.3D.3DJoe.27s_Talk_Page.3D.3D please :) Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 07:02, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll remember that. Lord Patrick 03:33, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Just wanted to say thanks for your help and comments on the autism and related articles! Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 07:06, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] JoeMele

I don't think its going to be that much of a problem anymore - he was kicked out of AFF on the third and we haven't heard much from him since then and he even reverted some of his own questionable edits... Rdos is giving us some problems on Talk:Asperger's syndrome though, so the fun hasn't ended yet :). Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 07:27, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, and I admit I was a little harsh too and feel sorry for the guy :\. Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 08:46, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, it's just that he doesn't seem to want to admit that he HAS made personal attacks/Nazi analogies and genuinely apologise fully to the people here. I will try to be less critical of him. But I think that he did bring this upon himself, and feel a much greater magnitude of sympathy for those he attacked (in a very offensive manner too) after all the hard work they have done on the autism articles. I think that the level of harshness was appropriate for the situation.

Lord Patrick 03:14, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah - that's a problem. Also, I may have spoken too soon too, we'll see how it goes I guess. Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 03:24, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hello!

Hey there, Patrick! I see that you used my "God" and "Evolution" userboxes; you're one of the first people to use them. Thanks!

By the way, I noticed that you're a Catholic, yet you support same-sex marriage. How do you justify that with the Bible (not to mention Catholic teaching)? I don't mean to be offensive, I'm just curious about your viewpoint, that's all :-)

Happy editing! -- P.B. Pilhet / Talk 03:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello to you too, P.B. As for my views on such matters, I feel that such laws fall under the same category as those prohibiting women leaving their houses during menstruation. Laws dictated by the rabbis of that time for Levites recorded and kept for historical reference. As for church teaching, well, I think that the Church, being run by fallible human beings, can sometimes be prone to errors such as these. I am also skeptical of claims that make out God as a violent, irrational, hateful being who hates his own creations for the nature in which he created them. Indeed, I find such implications of a petulant and malevolent deity to be blasphemous.

Lord Patrick 07:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you in that there are some laws that don't pertain to us anymore, such as the dietary laws. However, both the Old and the New Testament prohibits homosexuality, in my view, anyway. St. Paul spoke several times against it, and said that no immoral person will enter Heaven. He agreed that the gentiles didn't have to keep all the Jewish laws, such as the dietary laws; but they did have to keep from immorality. I'm not saying that people of the same sex can't love one another (far from it), they just can't engage in sexual actions (which I believe were intended only for a man and a woman within the bounds of marriage). And as for God hating His own creation, take note of several things:

• God never hates people; only sin.
• God did not create man in a sinful state; that was man's own fault.
• God only acts harshly with people who refuse to repent (and in the Old Testament, there were many, many of these people).
• God Himself came down and died a horrible death so that we didn't have to be punished.

I simply cannot imagine Jesus allowing two men or two women to engage in sexual acts. I'm sorry if you don't agree, but that's my opinion. Just let me state that I absolutely do not mean to be offensive in any way. It's not my intention to come off as an incivil, pushy know-it-all :-)

God bless! -- P.B. Pilhet / Talk 22:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

While this discussion is interesting, it is probably better carried out on an internet forum than Wikipedia. Also, if you're going to argue it's "unnatural", I could argue the sinfulness and evil of the Internet, which was created after the Fall. Don't forget vaccinations, penicillin, the Catechism, fast food, cars, radio, TV, computers, electricity, clothes, etc..

Also, St. Paul at that time was speaking his opinion on the Romans pederasty (which was extremely common in his time), which was homosexuality in a loose sense of the term. In any case, as St. Paul, for all his wisdom, was merely a sinful and fallible human being, and was not the Lord sanctioned Pontiff, he cannot speak infallibly on such matters. And one must not forget that the Pope's too are mortal men, and sometimes like the rest of us slip up, or have flaws. After all, if humans were perfect and infallible, then Christ's death would be pointless. -- Lord Patrick 22:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Interesting view, but I simply don't agree. What you're basically saying is that the Bible (more specifically, it's laws), are completely unreliable. This allows you to pick and choose what you want from it, and throw away anything you don't like (in modern times, this is called liberalism). Further, while I do say that homosexuality is unnatural, I don't believe that vaccinations, the Internet, cars, etc. is unnatural. How could they be? In the Book of Genesis, God commands man to use science to subdue the earth; cars, radio, and modern medicine are all forms of great scientific advances that society has made.

By the way, Paul was specifically commissioned by Christ on the road to Damascus to teach His teachings, and Paul himself supported that claim by saying that all of his teachings were inspired by Christ.

If you want to continue this discussion, I have a personal "wiki" website of my own that we could use. Here's the link:

• Inspirational Music Wiki

Once you're there, just create an account and go to User:Justin Matas, which is my userpage there.

I like to keep an open mind when discussing things about Christianity, so I'd love to keep up this little "argument" :-) God bless, P.B. Pilhet / Talk 02:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)