Talk:Lonelygirl15

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[edit] Other Notable YouTube Celebrities

Lonelygirl15 is not the only notable YouTube celeb. As a YouTube member myself the only reason I am subscribed to Lonelygirl15 only so as to boost YouTube itself. As a result of LG15, many people have discovered YouTube.

I therefore propose to give all YouTube celebs, equal coverage here on wikipedia. Or rather the all time top ten celebs. All ten of them boost YouTube, but are famous in their own right in that they became famous through YouTube.

At the moment we only have articles on the five below.

I inserted the five above into this article unde the title 'Notable YouTube Celebrities'. Why was it removed? LG15 is but one of these ten and these ten should be a series in the following category

'Category:Internet celebrities' 'Category:YouTube'

(Chavatshimshon 17:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC))

Why should these other people get free promotion on lonelygirl's page? I see no reason for this. Also who determines who is a notable youtube user and who is not. While those all have high ratings (and geriatric's fame is not disputed by anyone), but others could start randomly adding their own to get free YT publicity. I request we do not have this "other notable youtube users" on LG's page. It should go on the page for YouTube. Being popular youtube users, they would belong on that page. On lonelygirl's page though it's just excessive and redundant. 71.224.243.78 23:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
'Promotion on lonelygirl's page'. This comment denotes that linking relevant information in an article of the same subject is merely a 'promotional' ploy. The lonelygirl15 article isn't here as an exalted promotional that others of her type must be seen to be seeking attention through her. She is here on Wiki so people can read up on her, and the phenomenon of which she is part of. When I came I was glad there was something on her since I wasn't schooled in the finer points of her show. Now, the following point is not a guideline, but it is in Wiki's own interest that links to relevant subjects and persons be present to keep readers browsing an to present an overall encyclopedic view.
I still say why can't "other famous youtubers" be linked from the article on youtube? Meanwhile the additions of "lonelygirl spin-offs", which are MUCH more relevent, keep getting deleted? How are "Tips from a gay man" more related to lonelygirl than cassieiswatching?!Edit- Never mind, I see they've just been pushed below the citation. If you add me, they are still more relevent than the "other famous youtubers" and therefore should also be above the citation line. 71.224.243.78 02:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
First of all, this list on "famous youtubers" including LG15 is on the YouTube article, thanks to me. Yet, I still see all articles on YouTube Personalities to be in a class of their own, thus not just should they all be in the same 'category' but they should also all interlink. The LG15 spin-offs are relevent and should stay in the article even though they are being seen as mere adverts. If someone wishes to keep the spin-offs paragraph out, he should title a new discussion here. Deleting it is otherwise Vandalism.
This list really needs to go; the lg15 article is definitely not the place for it and if people keep adding to it it will soon be huge. I don't see what this list adds to the encyclopedic knowledge of lg15. There are clearly better places to house such information, such as the YouTube category, or even create a new category of the same name as this section/discussion title. -Lemike 02:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
The list already exists in the main YouTube article. I think it should stay there and be removed from all the other YouTube-related articles that it's being mirrored in. As they are, all the lists are frequent spam-magnets; it'd be much more managable to just have the one list in the main article. WarpstarRider 02:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
So can we come to a consensus here? Is anyone going to dispute its removal? -Lemike 08:50, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Replaced with Notable YouTube users. It's out of date, but it gives people a single place to argue about all of them rather than on every YouTube user's individual page. --Siradia 03:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cassiewatching and future section

I think this section needs to be cleaned up. It just seems like an advertising section for cassiewatching with no real future speculation 69.181.251.112 18:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the cassieiswatching information needs very much to be pruned and cleaned up. Despite the fan overlap and the craving of "canon" status among some segments of ciw's fandom, ciw is not an element of the lonelygirl15 canon world. Its inclusion here should be passing and should refer to a separate article.

[edit] AfD on Jessica Lee Rose article

Jessica Lee Rose has been nominated for AfD. Please discuss whether it should be kept, deleted, merged, etc. there so that the issue can be decided officially and put to rest. — Saxifrage ✎ 21:06, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Well the conclusion reached was don't delete. But I wanted to raise the point that an issue such as this is unlikely to ever be put to rest. As with any article, whether or not the subject merits an aricle usually changes over time Nil Einne 17:35, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
True that. At least now people have less authority to say "clearly so-and-so is true regarding merging/deleting/keeping" because it's actually been determined by process. (As in, it's not clear at all as there was no consensus to delete and no consensus on merging/not merging.) — Saxifrage ✎ 18:54, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Actually, strike all that. Apparently a non-admin "closed" the AfD outside of proper process, so it's still open and undecided. — Saxifrage ✎ 21:42, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Current event?

How long is the current event tag going to stay on? The hype surrounding LG15 has died down now. If she keeps adding videos forever, will the tag stay up forever? --Tim1988 talk 17:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I threw it on there when there was still a lot of speculation and uncertainty. I haven't really had time to follow the "event" lately -- has the truth solidified somewhat? I'm all for pulling unneeded tags, but I can't claim to have enough knowledge currently to say if it should stay or not. /Blaxthos 13:52, 23 September 2006

There's a fairly good chance this thing will end in a few weeks time (around 10-12-06). Regardless, it's unlikely that it will go on for a long time in its present form, as both the Creators and young actors presumably have ambitions to move into more traditional, better paying media. Mortal Wombat 16:31, 25 September 2006 (UTC) (UTC)

A quick look at Google news shows some articles being written as recently as September 25th. But it's certainly on its last legs. - RoyBoy 800 03:45, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where is the characters location?

Is the character, Lonelygir15 located in the US or NZ? Or elsewhere (not David)? Hahaha, sorry about the lame joke but where is the series set?--HamedogTalk|@ 05:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bravo

I would like to congratulate the editors for their work. This is the kind of articles that make wikipedia a trash bin for imbecilic sub-cultures. You should be proud. Miskin 12:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

He is right. I'm glad, that the German Wikipedia is more serious. - Nachtmahr


[edit] heh

You know, its funny... some girl posts some stupid videos on YouTube and it gets a Wikipedia article... And yet, a mysterious website pops up with a map with red dots over major cities and a countdown timer saying "eon8 is coming" and people panic, and it's article here gets deleted. Funny, a punk girl does nothing and gets something, and a researcher does something and gets nothing. Pathetic.--24.175.171.91 01:52, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment by | Nebo - I wouldn't delete this article. It's interesting, and this "girl who posted some stupid videos" has achieved enough popularity to grow and become a sort of phenomenon in late pop/internet culture. You may find it pathetic, but it's worth a wikipedia article. (and "its" it's spelled without apostrophe) End comment

Whether you engage in personal attacks over spelling ( in an international site, no less ), making videos seen by a small fraction of a percent of the globe is not the definition of notability. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DigitalEnthusiast (talk • contribs) 19:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC).
The problem with Eon8 was that there were no credible sources about it. Wikipedia has to be a trusted source, not a listing of fads and rumors about them. There is enough published material about Lonelygirl to validate this article, whereas the only source for an Eon8 article (back then) would be someone going to the website himself and writing conjecture based on what he sees, which is personal research and isn't allowed as a source. Remember, Wikipedia wants to be used as a research tool and allowed as a source for school reports. --Asriel 17:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bravo

I would like to congratulate the editors for their work. This is the kind of article that makes Wikipedia stand out from other reference works. I was searching for an article under the name Lonely Girl but then a friend told me the fictional character's full online name. It's a good article. You should be proud. — BrianSmithson 09:50, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Popularity

I don't get it. Why is it so popular? I've read the synopsis and it doesn't seem like anything special.

Why is Paris Hilton popular? Why are there more different soap operas on TV than you can count? There you go. — Ashmodai (talk · contribs) 16:49, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Popularity is not the same as notability. The most popular people in my high school aren't listed in Wikipedia - this is an encyclopedia, not a comprehensive list of people or alter egos. DigitalEnthusiast 20:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spinoffs

Please stop adding links to "Unofficial spinoff sites". Per WP:EL, links not directly related to the subject of this article should be removed. An entire section dedicated to fan videos is entirely unnecessary here. WarpstarRider 06:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] gemmers19

Shouldn't there be something about gemmers19?

I'd say no. As it is now, Gemma (and now "Jonas") are just characters in the Lonelygirl story. They could have their own sections within the LG article, but as accessory characters there's not much information about them to merit their own articles. --Asriel 17:47, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Are you freaking kidding me?

Real articles about valid topics are being removed left and right, and yet wikipedia is now a list of teenagers with chatroom nicknames??????? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DigitalEnthusiast (talk • contribs) 19:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

Did you actually bother to read the article? This has nothing to do with chatrooms or a real teenager, and the lonelygirl15 phenomenon received a LOT of media coverage at one stage. Nil Einne 17:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
What, exactly, defines a "valid topic?" I've never seen any of these videos, but I can tell you without question that they are notable. If a "real article" is about a non-notable topic, then it should be deleted; otherwise, there's no reason not to have a WP article on it. I doubt you'll find many people arguing that this is not a "real article." -- Kicking222 15:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Odd and unnecessary use of slang

This doesn't sit right in the article:

"She was fucked when she was 12"

I'm not suggesting that Wikipedia should any way censor the use of vulgarity: more that it should be mindful of where it is used. And in this context it is entirely the wrong place. Ironically (and pejoratively) considering the subject matter, one could almost suggest that the level of expression is atypical of a Youtube "user". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.139.89.181 (talk) 01:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC).

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