Talk:List of popular songs based on classical music
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just curious - u list various songs which utilize little more than a riff or an intro from their predecessors, yet leave out the most famous of all in this genre: "roll over beethoven"! sure, it doesn't follow the original in the way "a 5th of beethoven" does, but it seems no less critical a theme than, say, those puccini excerpts in "rockaria!", and certainly moreso than the bach bridge is to "all u need is love".
me again. sorry i don't really understand the formatting system here. html or no html, i can't even get the "edit" to land in the right place! anyways...hope someone is seeing this! <break> It seems to me you've left out the single most famous example for this page: "Till the End of Time" based on Chopin's "Polonaise", I think it is. Likewise, isn't "A Time for Us" a popification of Tchaikovsky's "Love Theme from Romeo And Juliet"? And back to All You Need is Love - La Marseillaise (French Natl Anthem) which kicks off the piece...isn't that itself an adaptation of some Tchaik piece? I can hear it in my head...perhaps it is a secondary theme in the 1812 overture, which, after all, was all about the French Revolution.
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[edit] Yngwie's Classical Sources
I've added everything from this image (except Magnum Opus' "Cantabile"--I have no idea which Vivaldi piece that's from). Though I'm no classical music expert, I recognize most of the familar tunes, and I figure the references I don't recognize, I can trust since the source is from Yngwie's own website. I wasn't sure how to go about adding that image as a reference in the article, so I'll leave that in the hands of someone with more experience in the Wikipedia. Toxite 02:23, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Arpeggios From Hell by Yngwie J. Malmsteen, based on Beethoven's Piano sonata No. 14, 3rd movement
I was trying to find a date to put to this, but couldn't. However, I also couldn't find any references to Beethoven. Can this be verified by somebody? Those arpeggios all look and sound pretty generic, they could have come from anything.Graham 05:34, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Some of these are rubbish
Take Tear by RHCP for example. The chord progression is C, G7, Am. The first 3 chords of Canon in D (albeit a tone lower, and with the addition of the 7th in G). Not all 8! The I, V7, VI progression is used in loads of songs.
[edit] Bach Cello Suites
Hi 212.56.128.188, Thanks for your addition. Bach wrote six cello suites--would you know which one was used here? Thanks, Opus33 15:32, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Italics vs quotation marks
Any reason all the songs in the article are italicized rather than quoted? Hyacinth 02:39, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Yes, it's better style. I'm not sure what the "official" position on this is, but quote marks should be used for quotations. It's normal style to use italics for titles of things - it makes it easier to read and cleaner-looking. Worst of all is an inconsistent mix - I changed some titles to italic because most of the others already were. There is still a lot of inconsistency across different articles. One problem is that in the wiki markup, it's hard to distinguish actual quote marks from th edouble single-quote used to mark an italic section - though I guess that might be browser dependent. Graham 03:37, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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- According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (titles): "Use italics for the title or name of books, court cases, movies, albums, TV series, magazines, ships, computer games, and major orchestral works....Use "quotes" for the title or name of short stories, articles, statues, short films, songs, individual episodes of TV shows, and poems," emphasis mine. Hyacinth 04:09, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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- Article edited accordingly. Hyacinth 04:26, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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- Hmm, I wonder why the distinction between titles of songs and other titles? You have to admit, the page looks the worse for it.Graham 05:50, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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- The key is that a song is usually a part of a larger work -- be it a classical cantata or a rock album. Album tiles are italicized while song titles are quoted, just like TV series titles are italicized while individual episode titles are quoted, or magazine names are italicized while titles of articles are quoted. --Jay (Histrion) (talk • contribs) 06:23, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Accuracy
A few of these are pretty far-fetched. Sure, "Annie's Song" begins the same as the 2nd movement to Tchaik's 5th, but after that, it is completely independent. As for "Because" by Lennon/McCartney being based on the Moonlight Sonata, how preposterous! They're not even in the same meter! I think the author(s) of this article got a little carried away. Shouldn't there be some written references or other analytical evidence to support the list? It's seems rather amatuerish. Has John Denver ever said that the song was inspired by Tchaikovsky? Rumors and coincidences should never be passed of as fact. 345 PDT 12 May 2005 Ryan
- Welcome to wikipedia. You may wish to look around a bit before you harshly criticize things. You also may want to improve an article before you trash it. Hyacinth 04:43, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
- In support of your position, see: Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Cite sources, and Wikipedia:Confirm queried sources. Hyacinth 04:54, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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- Instead of changing the article, I figured that the author my wish to rewrite it him- or herself, or offer verification.
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- John Lennon has admitted in interviews that Because was inspired by Yoko Ono playing the Moonlight Sonata. It's not far-fetched at all, either. They're in the same key and prominently use some of the same harmonic movements, most notably the Neapolitan sixth chord. I do, however, have trouble believing that Green Day's Basket Case has anything to do with Pachelbel's Canon. An internet search turns up lots of sites that mention the similarity, but no statements from the band. The chord progression in Pachelbel's Canon is not particularly unusual, clever, or unique, and it seems far more likely to me that Basket Case has a similar progression purely by coincidence. If that's the case, I don't think that qualifies it as a song that's "based on classical music." I've removed that entry for now. 128.2.168.4
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[edit] Sweetbox
Do we need to list the entire output of Sweetbox here? Apart from being (AFAICS) a pretty unknown band, it appears as if their entire existence depends on churning out classical-based pop hits, so simply listing more or less everything they've produced is subverting the purpose of the article, which surely is to point up the attribution to classical music of other more well-known bands that generally don't do this. I suggest a "See Also Sweetbox" would be more than sufficient here.Graham 23:45, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
- On a moment's further thought, I've decided to be bold, and made this change. Apart from cluttering the article, most of the entries were incorrectly formatted. Sorry to the one obvious huge Sweetbox fan out there, but let's keep things in perspective, hmmm? Graham 23:49, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] V (For Extreme)
It's by Dj TAKA and is apparently based on Vivaldi's "Winter". I don't know when it was released nor do I have anything but heresay to back it up. —BenFrantzDale 07:32, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)
- V (For Extreme) is most definetly based on Winter (1st movement). It's from the video game, Dance Dance Revolution Extreme, but I'm not positive if it was from some other Dancemania CD beforehand or the long version came later. Similarly, there are a number of other classical-based songs used in the series, none of which I see on the page glancing at it. Notable is "Kakumei" (Japanese for Revolution), which is based on Chopin's Revolutionary Etude. Melodia Chaconne 9 July 2005 19:22 (UTC)
I think that Theres also Dream a Dream, and A (i'm not sure about this one though). And i know that there's one in the Mario Mix. if i have the time I'll look up the details. Eds01 02:33, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Joy?
I distinctly remember that in the 1970's there was an up-tempo pop arrangement of Jesu, joy of man's desiring called simply "Joy," but I can't remember who recorded it. Anyone? --Jay (Histrion) (talk • contribs) 06:20, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
- Never mind, I found it -- it was by Apollo 100, recorded in 1972. I'll add an entry. --Jay (Histrion) (talk • contribs) 06:30, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
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The Verve's "Bitter Sweet Symphony" and Bus Driver's "Imaginary Places" are two songs based on classical music, I believe, but I do not know the name of the original classical piece. Anyone?
--Seec77 19:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC) I think Bittersweet symphony is bulit on a sample of an orchetral recording of a Rolling Stones number by Andrew Loog Oldman rather than a classical piece.A Geek Tragedy 14:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Great if you add this song
From the very first time I listened to Wallace Collections's 1969 Daydream, I identified Tchaicovsky's Swan Lake in it.As I'm not an expert in classical music, I think you might better add it if you agree with me in the origin of this song!
[edit] Esperanto
There was a version of Saint Saens' Danse Macabre by a group called Esperanto sometime in the 70's. A great version I must say! Haven`t been able to listen to it for many years now! :(
[edit] Rufus Wainwright
"Oh What A World" by Wainwright sounds remarkabley like Ravel's Bolero. I think it should be up there... Zbagman 01:34, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Musetta's Waltz
Della Reese had a pretty big hit with "Don't You Know?" which is Musetta's Waltz from La Boheme
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[edit] Muse - Plug in baby
Does anyone know what melody this song is based on? I believe it was something by Tsjaikovski (sp?). Saw them in concert tuesday, they rule! NJlo 14:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
