Talk:List of pipe bands

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i do not have a problem with deleting the page. otherwise it will be an external link to every pipe band in the world. and there are websites that already contain world lists.

i do believe that their should be a list of pre eminent pipe bands; that would include the military bands with a history, and the pipes bands that have won national or international competitions.

wouldnt it great if if could include management and musical stategies that allowed bands to achievve celebrity. joe 21:02, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Keep page; the information contained within is notable and very useful to those interested in bagpipe bands. The presence of links does not detract from the page's usefulness, it enhances it in that users are able to find more information about each band. Badagnani 03:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep page; Articles can be written about all of the important bands here, and the unimportant ones (non-competitive, grade 5, etc...) can be deleted.
I am going to begin writing articles about bands that are important and/or provide enough information on their websites', and deleting bands that have little information and/or are unimportant. I will remove the deletion tag when I start. --Musaabdulrashid 08:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep page; As per Musaabdulrashid's comments, I will also help assist writing articles (time permitting). gummAY 12:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Introductory Paragraph

As this should not be a list of every pipe band world wide, I have inserted the word "notable" behind world wide. --Musaabdulrashid 08:52, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Criterion has now been furthur adapted, that obviously wasn't enough Musaabdulrashid 03:57, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notice

  • DO NOT add a band unless you are capable of writing a good, original article about it and plan on doing so in a reasonable amount of time--Musaabdulrashid 09:46, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
  • never put "the" in front of a band name--Musaabdulrashid 09:46, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Sort bands in alphabetical order by country--Musaabdulrashid 09:46, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
  • articles on this list must conform to wikipedia guidelines (duh), including: Wikipedia:Vanity, Wikipedia:Notability (music), and all the rest.--Musaabdulrashid 08:35, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

as a general policy, bands on the page that have empty links for more than about a week should be deleted.--Musaabdulrashid 09:46, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Diversification

I think it should be considered the different types of traditional pipe bands, like Galician and Portuguese ones, which differs in their compositions, but indeed traditional pipe bands. Tonyjeff 01:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Thats a good idea, but not for this article which has the criterion at the top. List of bagpipers has a section for bands that feature the bagpipes which includes more popular folk bands as well as pop/rock groups that have a piper. Please feel welcome to create articles about traditional style bands then list them on WP:PB. Musaabdulrashid 08:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other Pipe Bands

Why would you choose to have a list of pipe bands attached to articles about bagpipes and pipe bands, which does not include as many pipe bands as possible? You are choosing to decide which pipe bands are "good enough" to be listed on your list, and that is biased and prejudice. If you feel that this should be a list of certain bands which you feel are prominent enough, you should relable the lish to Musaabdulrashid's list of the best pipe bands in the world that I think are good, not list of pipe bands. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Grim0107 (talk • contribs).

There are actually very clear guidelines on this. I would first direct you to WP:ENC to promote the understanding that wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, nor a collection of external links. WP:LIST also gives more specific guidelines on lists. Basically they all must have a criterion that restricts the contents of the list and does not allow it to become a collection of indiscriminant information or list of external links. Grade I pipe bands are mostly encyclopedic, and some lower grade bands may be relevant, but it is easy to tell what is spam. If you are really concerned that erversions of listings are arbitrary, we could change the criterion to only include grade one and two bands on this list. M i c 02:48, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Appears the "List of Pipe Bands" is degrading (no pun intended-well, maybe intended) from the intended content. Perhaps the article could be retitled to "List of Internationally Recognized Pipe Bands" to further support the list criterion.Srebob 13:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)srebob
Indeed. I second that, srebob, and I believe this should be an all-around list. BagpipingScotsman 01:31, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggested move and solution

I suggest that this article is moved to List of competitive pipe bands and that List of pipe bands is converted to a universal list containing all matters of pipe bands — small to large.

Any other thoughts? Bagpiping Scotsman 21:37, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm a tad conflicted. After a minor "go-around" with regard to City of Rockford Pipe Band, I began to see Musaabdulrashid's logic that the "List of Pipe Bands" should have limited crieria otherwise it would become an out off control list. However, there are three basic levels of Pipe Bands:

Competitive/Internationally Recognized
Competitive/Regionally Recognized
Non-Competitive Bands

At this point, my off hand thought, is that "competitive" may be the key to the list. Still conflicted. Srebob 23:28, 25 November 2006 (UTC)srebob


That is a good point, and I wholeheartedly agree with your catagorization - like my userpage says, I'm a snare drummer for the Weston McEwen Pipe Band, and we are fairly recognized within the area of Oregon and Washington, but we have played in Washington DC on several occasions representing Oregon as well as our trip to Scotland, so I would place us in the middle catagory.

But you have to see my logic the confiction behind the naming here - List of pipe bands does not give any criteria in its name that it is a competitive list, so I still think my previous suggestion would be good, except expanded as: List of competitive pipe bands and List of non-competitive pipe bands. Bagpiping Scotsman 00:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I,obviously, agree with the competitive/non-competive band list designations. However, we may be now faced with a Wikipedia:Notability (music) problem. Competive bands may or may not meet the "notability" criterion (a clouded issue in the limited universe of pipe bands). Non-competive bands, in my understanding, would not. My hope is that more people (editors) would join in this discussion. As, always, conflicted. Srebob 02:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)srebob

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