Talk:List of notable addresses

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This article was nominated for deletion on 3 November 2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

[edit] Intention

To elaborate on my intentions for this article. I do not intend this to be a phone book of the rich and famous. If an address isn't well known by itself then it doesn't go on this list. There already is a list of famous streets so only full addresses go here.

To simply determine if an address belongs on this list then fill in the blank with the address in question and then try to answer the question: "Would the average person know what is located at _____?". If yes, then add it to the list; if not, then it doesn't go on the list. Cburnett 22:38, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps another, more broad, litmus test would be if the address worthy of a wikipedia article (e.g., 221B Baker Street). This may be less contentious as guesstimated the knowledge of an average person... Cburnett 22:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

A big problem with that is that it is completely unsourced and relies too much on a judgement call. Where is a source or verification that suggests that the average person would recognize 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, D.C. as the White House, particularly on an international scale? Just because you and I know the significance of 221B Baker Street doesn't mean the general populace of the world understands it.--Isotope23 16:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notability

To start the conversaion: if the bar were dropped from "famous" to "notable" would this be sufficient if premised on the subject having a wikipedia article? By virtue of having an article then the subject has passed some level of notability. Cburnett 19:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

To me, notable is better wording, but it is also loaded wording at Wikipedia in a way. I think it would be a good idea to define here what notable means in this context. I think having a Wikiarticle is a good starting point. I also think it would be helpful to have some sort of sourcing that indicates that the address is interchangeable with the building there. 10 Downing Street is a pretty common term and has an article, but it would probably help to have some sort of sourcing showing "1600 Pennsylvania Avenue" being used in reference to the White House.--Isotope23 20:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. One of the reasons I think this list would be valuable is because I can't find it anywhere else. Much like a list of shark tunnels at aquariums. I'm all ears on how I/we could source some of this short of actively gathering survey data to the tune of "Do you know what is at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?" :) Cburnett 22:05, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Changing the title to 'notable' would help, defined as having a WP article. I propose to do that unless there are strong objections. The other thing that is essential is to separate the fictional from real addresses. To give the list utility I suggest a move away from country splits to topic splits. For example 'Notable addresses of world leaders', Notable addresses of fictional detectives' etc. If one of these was setup and then filled before the next is created that gets over the incomplete problem, and would give the list real purpose. However, at the moment, simply adding addresses as it occurs to people it is indiscriminate, BlueValour 22:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

• OK, moved, restructured, cleaned up, loose wording tightened - hope it looks good. BlueValour 22:23, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] One Police Plaza

My original criterion for List of famous addresses was that the address had to be recognizable on its own. To acquiesce your complaint of verifiability, I agreed to make the criterion more broad. Yet One Police Plaza seems to escape the revised criterion despite being recognizable. It has no dedicated article upon itself but the address indeed exists as a redirect and the address is mentioned in the intro of the article.

I know One Police Plaza is NYPD headquarters; I've seen it referenced by the address and not just on Law & Order. Having a WP article is an amicable start but I think it's too limited...so what will it take? Cburnett 06:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Please respond on Talk:List of notable addresses. Cburnett 06:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

The fact of an address being verifiable doen't mean that it should have a place in this List. My address is perfectly verifiable but I am not adding it (not until the red link on my name is blued, anyway :-) ). I still think that the criteria is right - the address must be notable enough to merit its own article not just being the address of a notable organisation (which would open the door to thousands). Also, for the list to be useful, I think that we should try to develop categories of addresses rather than an indiscriminate collection that no-one is going to refer to. BlueValour 03:07, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Definitely not a phone book of notable locations, but rather a list of notable addresses. When an address is used on its own then it should be included. I've heard One Police Plaza used many times as a standalone "name". It's not "NYPD headquarters at 1PP" but just "1PP". There are two extremes here:

• Must have an article only by the given address (e.g., 10 Downing Street)
• Addresses of notable locations (110 Country Club Estates for famous actor Joe Schmoe)

I think the former makes the list fairly worthless just due to the extreme minimum of candidates (1600 Pennsylvania Ave would be out); the later is too large and unmaintainable and then requires notability assessment of locations to boot. Like 99.999% of life: a happy medium should be entertained over extremes.

I think listing addresses that stand on their own should be allowed. This would generally mean a WP article on the address or a redirect from the address to the "official" name (e.g., White House) must exist but shouldn't be created solely to enable its listing here. I don't think my argument here is crafted to enable 1PP to be added. :) Cburnett 08:11, 22 November 2006 (UTC)