Talk:List of ninjutsu in Naruto (S-Z)

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Contents 1 Rasengan Inconsistancies 2 Kage Bunshin & Doujutsu 3 Shadow Clones 4 Summoning: Impure World Resurrection 5 Sexy technique 6 Question here... 7 Wood Techniques 8 Tongue Tooth Sticky Acid 9 Gamaguvhi Shibari 10 Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique

[edit] Rasengan Inconsistancies

When does kakashi use rasengan? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.99.78.199 (talk)

Chapter 321 of the manga. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

This should be listed in the article then, first I've heard of it. Any thoughts on why Kakashi would choose to use Chidori over Rasengan? It does make sense he would know it though, since it was the Fourth's technique, and he taught it to Jiraiya, he could have just as easily taught it to his pupil Kakashi. Tyciol 13:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I have a question. Kabuto. It mentions in this article that Naruto did something similar to how he threw the Rasengan in the filler arc when facing Kabuto. I don't believe he THREW it at Kabuto, can anyone verify? From what I remember, he hit him with it, and then Kabuto went flying back, the same thing that happens to anyone you actually hit with it, like those punks Jiraiya smacked. Tyciol 13:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I said it would probably be Spiral Wave in Uzumaki Chronicles but I don't know or believe that for sure but let's just leave it at Spiral Wave (with tentative) until the the long awaited truth is revealed but there is still nothing yet on One Thousand Bird (but I'll see if I can do something about it by geting Ninja Council 2), Partial Expansion Jutsu (fan name I made especialy for speculation), etc. that is if they have them (I can bet a 99% out of 100% that One Thousand Bird will be used and also a 99% out of 100% chance of them having the Jutsus because it would be hard to replace them). SoundPound500000 6:18 or so October 19, 2006.

If you don't know for sure then don't add it. We don't guess ahead of time. When we know the name, we'll add it. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:24, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

You gotta alot of people to talk to. You think i'm guessing ahead, (it really is tenative but they don't know I don't know, one knows) there are people who ar throwing in stuff from episodes and games not until 1 to 2 years from now like "Ultimate Hyuuga Style Taijutsu: Eight Trigarams 361 Palm Blast" (Eight Trgrams 361 Style) and other stuff.

Then fix it, don't compound the error by adding even more nonsense. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:51, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I got it. It's called Power Strike, thanks to a Gamespot gameplay video. SoundPound500000 10/28/06 7:34

[edit] Kage Bunshin & Doujutsu

The scene in which Sasuke saw through Naruto's Kage Bunshin with the Sharingan was anime filler, and did not occur in the manga. Shouldn't this be made clear? The only instance in the manga where the Sharingan has seen through a Kage Bunshin was during Kakashi's first bout with Itachi; but, Itachi was using the Bunshin Daibakuha at that time which could have allowed Kakashi to anticipate it. It wouldn't make sense for the Sharingan to be able to see through what the Byakugan could not, as the Byakugan has been made out to be far superior to the Sharingan as an eye of insight/observation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.205.130.190 (talk)

A good theory could be that the Byakugan can see the chakra coil system, and since Kage Bunshin's are real, it would also see those. The sharingan can copy techniques, and therefore probably knows when a technique is used, and so Sasuke can probably tell Naruto is using a jutsu. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.192.77.222 (talk)

That Naruto is using Kage Bunshin, you mean? The Byakugan would see that too. I was more referring to the fact that the Sharingan was made out(in this filler segment) to be able to distinguish Kage Bunshin from the real body as it was already performed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.205.130.190 (talk)

But if we look back at the original abilities of the Sharingan, it is said that it could see through ninjutsu, taijutsu, and genjutsu as well as copy it. So it is highly likely that a Sharingan user can, in fact, distinguish a Kage Bunshin from the original. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Leargo (talk • contribs).

Was there an actual scene of Sasuke seeing through Naruto's kage bunshin with the Sharingan? I only remember Sasuke toughtalking. He didn't even prove it. This is not canon, it is anime filler. If the Byakugan can't do it, the Sharigan (having lesser powers of insight and perception) can't either. This should be made clear in the article. --Lionelster 16:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

It annoys me when people discount any minor detail simply because the original work didn't elaborate on it. There's no statement anywhere that says the anime isn't canon, so your argument holds no weight. It's been reworded for the possibility of him bluffing, anyway. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 16:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

It is not a minor detail, guy. It makes a whole lot of difference in a Sharingan vs Kage Bunshin encounter. As for whether anime is or isn't canon, well look: where there is inconsistency between the manga and anime, popular opinion holds that the original work, i.e. the manga, takes precedence. That's where the weight of my argument comes from. Yes, fortunately for the both of us, it's been reworded to address the inconsistency. --Lionelster 18:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

This all was explained already over the course of the series, so I'll clarify one more time. It was originally explained at the beginning of the series that Kage Bunshin no Jutsu was forbidden due to the chakra strain put on the user. Specifically, all remaining chakra is evenly split between the user and the user's clones. Byakugan allows a user to see the chakra systems of their opponents, however, since a Kage Bunshin technically has an identical chakra system to the user, it is impossible to tell the difference. That was all explained during Neji vs. Naruto, go back and watch it.

This brings us to Sharingan. It was explained at the Valley at the End that the Sharingan is different from Byakugan in its' ability to pay attention to detail. Sasuke caught the very subtle differences in Naruto as opposed to his clones, therefore he knew which was the real Naruto (and thus which one to hit.) Note, this is NOT a filler, this is a cannonical episode (The final showdown of the series) and thus it does apply. Any questions? Payneos 19:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Canonical episode or not, it was information+scene+dialogue that did not exist in the manga, therefore was completely invented for the anime. Invented/approved by Kishimoto himself? That's the only question I need to ask. You do realize the danger of contradicting the original work when anime writers make stuff up far enough without the original author's consultation.

It's not the first time a "canonical episode" gets a little extra, of course. In the Hokage battle there are scenes, sequences and jutsus that only happened in the anime -- "filler" bits as I'd call them. Fortunately, these bits are inconsequential. That means they had no effect on the outcome, and the story. But it does for whether the Sharingan can detect Kage Bunshin or not. The results of an encounter would become immediately decided.

If the anime writers made such a detail to be true, it has to affect all future Sharingan vs Kage Bunshin encounters. But since the manga made no mention of this very significant detail, it can't be true, and all encounters work out to reflect that.

Guess what! Sasuke has never been shown, in anime or manga, to specifically "find" the real Naruto, a key effort that would decide a battle's outcome. How differently from a Byakugan user has a Sharingan user acted against Kage Bunshin? None at all actually.

Now to address your misjudgement of the Byakugan. Attention to detail is what insight means as depicted in the manga/anime, and the Byakugan outperforms the Sharingan in insight, so says Kakashi. Neji used Byakugan to read Hinata's thoughts simply by observing her eye movements. How's that for attention to detail?

And finally your misjudgement of the Kage Bunshin. They are actual copies of the user. So what subtle differences are there, really? Does a Naruto clone move, look or behave slightly differently from the real Naruto? Sasuke never said so. You're vastly overestimating the Sharingan saying it can tell the difference between a clone and the real user when there's virtually none. The only way to truly tell is when the clone goes poof!

Conclusion from the evidence: Sasuke was bluffing, or the writers got way ahead of themselves. --Lionelster 11:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Original research. Now matter how much you complain, that's all your complaints are. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 16:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

What did I say about Kage Bunshin? You guys speculate that clones appear subtly different from user, then speculate the Sharingan's "analytical properties" and "attention to detail" as a way to explain how it can detect clones (maybe that should be deleted). Fan speculation = original research too, back at ya. And don't even think completely dismissing people's comments like that is cool. --Lionelster 20:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

It's easier than bothering with your rants about canon/non-canon. "Analytical properties" and "attention to detail" are exactly how it could tell. Sasuke could simply pinpoint the source body. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

You have some nerve. It's no rant, I did my bit of "research". If you want to insist I'm ranting, accept that you are ranting yourself. Pinpoint the source body? You still have something glaringly missing: proof. --Lionelster 20:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, just to jab a hole in your theory up there, Neji's ability to read Hinata was because of his own intelligence, not any power the Byakugan has. The Sharingan's analytical abilities far surpass that of the Byakugan, because it does so without being prompted. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Sure, why not his own intelligence. And I agree on the Sharingan's auto-analyse function (i.e. it has it's own independent "intelligence" at work), I'm sure that's what you mean. Still, back on topic, what clone/user difference is there to analyse when there is none? Again, no proof of such a thing. --Lionelster 20:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shadow Clones

I highly doubt that all Jonin know how to create Shadow Clones, and I wouldn't go so far as to say most of them can, either.

• Temari, Kankuro, and Neji are three Jonin that we already know can't use them.
• Kurenai and Asuma most likely do not, as they probably would have done so in their vs. Akatsuki fight, rather than waiting for Kakashi to come and do so.
• Guy probably does not; although he prefers to use Taijutsu to Ninjutsu, Clones are ideal for close-range fighting.
• Water Clones seems to be the replacement for Shadow Clones in water-aligned countries (ex: Land of Water, Land of Rain), which implies that their nations don't use Shadow Clones.
• Many other Jonin in the series that at one point or another fought Naruto or were otherwise outnumbred (Sound Four, Genma and Raido, etc) would have probably used Shadow Clones in that situation while they did not have the upper hand.

I'm replacing the phrase on the article with "some Jonin." You Can't See Me! 02:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

You may want to double check Maito Gai's abilities. On the Might Guy article someone wrote that he has used Kage Bunshin, albeit in the filler arc. I'm questioning that now, can you go there too? Tyciol 13:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I dono if its totaly right to say that they dont know how to use kage bunshin. I think that they just choose not to beacuse it would use too much chakra. Its a forbidin jutsu for a reason. Not every one is blessed with a high amount of chakra.BLaCk 19:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Since when is it a forbidden jutsu? It's not, it's a secret jutsu. Forbidden is stuff like Orochimaru's soul swapping and dead ressurection techniques. Tyciol 13:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

The shinobi that we have seen use kagebunshin are those with a high amount of chakra, kakashi, itachi, kisame, naruto, etc... The Jonin that havnt used it in battle are those that know that they have a limited amount of chakra so it would be is used with other jutsu or have other jutsu in there arsenal that is more effective but cost a lot of chakra.BLaCk 21:28, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

We can't assume that the Jounin must know it and just don't choose to do it. What implies they know it? Even if they had access, they might not want to or be able to learn it. Also, if they never have the chakra to activate it, they could never learn it in the first place. Tyciol 13:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Summoning: Impure World Resurrection

I'm a bit worried about the line "Presumably, the Fourth was in this coffin, which is supported by the symbol on the coffin (see image), but this is contradicted by facts introduced later in the battle." It's fairly obvious and safe to assume Yondaime's corpse was in the coffin, but I don't understand how facts later introduced in the fight contradicts it. I assume the "facts" it refers to is the fact that one does not have a soul after using the sealing jutsu, but that doesn't contradict anything, it would just mean Orochimaru was unaware of the state Yondaime is in. If this is not the fact it refers to, please enlighten me. WikiXan 01:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

That does make sense that Orochimaru wouldn't know, since he wasn't aware of the Death God technique when 3rd used it on him. That's rather ironic to think about it, the technique would have failed anyway. Well actually, it would have worked, just in a more limited regard. Remember that the corpses were animated and able to fight and stuff without souls. Orochimaru did the thing with the soul-summoning, attaching them to tags on kunai in the back of their head. That's what gave them powers and stuff. Even in a limited fashion the 4th's corpse probably would have been tough. Still, 3rd should have tried to take out the other ones instead. I guess it's due to the order they were brought out in that prevented that though. Tyciol 13:34, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sexy technique

There's been a dispute over whether to use Image:KonohamaruOiroke.jpg or Image:Naruto's Sexy Technique.jpg in the Sexy Technique section. I feel that the first image should be used as it's in color, as is every other image in the article. Kabuto Yakushi argues that the second image is the "uncut version", which seems to be a weird way of saying it's from the manga. Because he's becoming very persistent, I think other people should chime in on their opinions. ~SnapperTo 17:40, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I, Kabuto Yakushi, believe that Naruto wikipedia images should be uncut (eg. It should have Sexy Jutsu from manga, not anime because anime has TOO MANY clouds covering naked body). There are others who agree me, and there are others who agree with Snapper2.

Also for Kidomaru's web techniques, I feel it's stupid to have subtitles at the bottom of this image, so I cut them out and had it resized. Please supportmy vision if you want to. Thanks, ~Kabuto YakushiTo 17:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

So your argument is that the clouds are too thick in the anime? And because of that, the black and white image should take precedence over the color image? If I may be blunt, that's an awful reason. ~SnapperTo 18:16, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

You are too blunt, besides that, the manga image looks a lot more hot|hotter, if you know what I mean... ergo, that's the real reason why it should stay. ~KabutoTo 18:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Fanservice is not a valid reason, and if your only argument is that the guy in a fancy version of drag is more exciting, then I dare not ask any more questions. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:24, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Aw, you undid my example of over linkage... ~SnapperTo 03:36, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I just find it extremely annoying. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to see a picture of Naruko/po (whatever they call girl Naruto) for the simple fact that you see that outcome from Sexy No Jutsu far more than Konohamaru's transformation. Actually, I think I remember a bunch of other people using this from the filler, just can't remember who. Tyciol 13:36, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Konohamaru's friends knew it, too. That's who you're thinking of – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question here...

Um, I've noticed this before and my brother wanted to know also, who put the info for Anko's suicide jutsu (Twin Snakes Destroyer) that "two snakes are summoned and bite the wrist of both user's killing them with deadly venom". It was somewhat like that. Is there any verification on this or is it just fanon (fiction)? Power level (Dragon Ball) 18:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Databook. Anko's page, I believe. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 18:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wood Techniques

The page lists the techniques used by Yamato and the First Hokage to be Hiden. Since Mokuton has been established as a bloodline limit, shouldn't these techniques be labeled 'Kekkei Genkai'? 20:31 4 November 2006

Firstly, it says they're probably Hiden. Secondly, yes they probably should be labeled as such. I sure am helpful. ~SnapperTo 00:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tongue Tooth Sticky Acid

As I was going through all of the jutsu, I noticed that this jutsu doesn't have an entry. Katsuyu's entry has the technique linked to as "Tongue Tooth Sticky Acid", though obviously it doesn't go anywhere. I seem to vaguely remember it being listed at some point in time, though I haven't been able to find it in any of the article historys.

Additionally, since I don't want to make a new topic, Desert Coffin seems to have the incorrect kanji, as seen here. I emphasize the word "seems", as I can't really tell. ~SnapperTo 02:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

How very weird. I know we had it listed at one point. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Found it. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Desert Coffin does have the wrong kanji, it should be 砂縛柩 not 砂漠柩 even though they apparently have the same kana reading. I think it means something like "Sand Bind Coffin". --Pentasyllabic 02:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Excellent. That should be the last of the discrepancies. ~SnapperTo 02:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gamaguvhi Shibari

Jiraiya clearly states that justsu's name is Ninpo: Gamaguchi Shibari.SSJ 5 14:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Ninpo means "Ninja Art". It's not part os the name. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 17:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Why isn't it considered a part of the name? I mean, the English names retain it like "Ninja Art: Mind Transfer Jutsu." What's the difference between them? It seems like "Katon" or "Doton" to me, so perhaps it should be kept unless a proper reason for why it's not "part of the name" is given. - Yami Wheeler 03:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The Databooks list it under Summoning, not Ninja Art. Nothing should have that Ninja Art tag. It's just a tacked on description. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I didn't realise it was a Summoning jutsu. - Yami Wheeler 04:15, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique

"English TV, "Shadow Clone Shuriken Jutsu"."

The dub isn't up to the Orochimaru VS Sandaime Hokage fight yet, when The Third uses this technique. Has this jutsu been used previously, or is it just a "prediction", in which case, it should be removed, IMO. If this is named in some English video game, I don't see why the "TV" part is there. - Yami Wheeler 03:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)