Talk:List of newspapers that reprinted Jyllands-Posten's Muhammad cartoons

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[edit] References in Table

the references have somehow gotten bunched together with the UK row in the "by country" table. I'm new to wikipedia and don't want to mess the page up, but can someone try to fix it?

[edit] Circulation

It would be very helpful if the newspaper listings included publication schedule (daily, weekly, etc) and circulation. This would help to separate the mainstream papers from fringe and tabloid publications. --StuffOfInterest 19:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


I don't want to mess up the format, but Brazil has published: http://veja.abril.com.br/080206/p_064.html. --rsm2296, 7 February 2006

[edit] Which drawings?

I think it would be relevant to indicate which drawings were reprinted by thoes papers that only reeprinted some. One might number the drawings and write the numbers in the table in those cases where it is known. Suggested numbering:

  1. star-and-crescent-face (M)
  2. bomb-in-turban (M,n)
  3. crescent-horns (M,n)
  4. stars-crescents-poem (n)
  5. wanderer-and-donkey (M)
  6. nervous-caricaturist (M)
  7. rioting-muslims (M)
  8. Muhammad-valby-school
  9. Muhammad-two-niqaabs (M,n)
  10. reception-in-heaven (M,n)
  11. orange-in-turban (M?)
  12. police-line-up (M?)
  • (M) means breaks the ban on depicting Muhammad (as it obviously intends to depict him).
  • (n) means appears to make negative statements about Muhammad (to varying degrees).

--Niels Ø 21:52, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps like this: →AzaToth 13:39, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Country Source Number Printed Cartoons Print Date Reference
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 + ?
Australia Brisbane Courier Mail 1 cartoon                           • 5 February 2006
Belgium Brussels Journal 12 cartoons • • • • • • • • • • • •     22 January 2006 [1]
Belgium De Standaard 12 cartoons • • • • • • • • • • • •     3 February 2006 [2]

Or just like this:--Niels Ø 07:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Country Source Numbers Printed Print Date Reference
Australia Brisbane Courier Mail 1 cartoon 5 February 2006
Belgium Brussels Journal all 12 cartoons 22 January 2006 [1]
Langbortistan The News 6,8,11,12 3 February 2006
Langbortistan? That's just a joke in Danish Donald Duck comics of a stereotypical Middle East country (Roughly meaning faraway-stan.) Btw, 6 could be considered M, at least as much as 11, since both "depicts depictions" of Muhammed, at least. 惑乱 分からん 09:20, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Well Langbortistan just means "Far-away-country", not specificly Middle East. I just needed a fake line to illustrate how I'd indicate a specific selection of images. As for the classification of the drawings, you are right; I fixed that.--Niels Ø 22:22, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What's the new image?

A couple of the entries say "+ 1 new"... so where's the new image? Where did it come from, and what does it say?

Hephaestion 06:00, 8 February 2006 (UTC)new image indicates that a different image(s) was published by that paper as opposed to the original 12 Jyllens-Posten cartoons. For example, Le Monde did not want to publish any of the original ones, so they made a new one. The new ones are comissioned by each paper, so you will need to visit that paper's website where any new ones may be illustrated.


Could this information be put along with the article? People will naturally wonder what the "+ 1 new" refers to.

Update to list, please? Not quite sure where to put this or how, so am putting the information here in hopes this is the right place? Thank you

The Blanket webjournal in Belfast [1] is publishing all 12 cartoons as part of a series [2] supporting the Manifesto Against Totalitarianism [3], profiling each of the signatories. They have published 4 so far (04/04/06). Profiles and cartoons: Maryam Namazie [4], Taslima Nasrin [5], Irshad Manji [6], Ayaan Hirsi Ali [7].

http://lark.phoblacht.net/FOSindex.html

See links for some coverage: Ex-IRA man to post Muslim cartoon on net (Observer) [8] Ulster muslims' fury at web cartoons (Belfast Telegraph, subs needed) [9] An ignored manifesto (Washington Times Op-Ed) [10] Meeting on Cartoons Controversy: Belfast Thursday 7pm (Indymedia, SWP meeting to denounce publication of cartoons) [11] Muslim Action Committee (Global Civility support for SWP attack on The Blanket's publication) [12] So what are they going to do? Blow up the Europa? (Samizdata blog notice)[13]

[edit] UPDATE:

Hephaestion 05:49, 8 February 2006 (UTC)I have removed a reference to the New York Times, as I can see no evidence of this (if this is an error, sorry). I can also find no reference to the Toronto Sun although I have left it in the table as one would expect this from this tabloid, but I would feel more confidence with a reference. If you are putting up mainstream papers like NYT or others, please reference.

[edit] UPDATE ON FIRST UK PUBLICATION

Hephaestion 09:44, 8 February 2006 (UTC)Gair Rhydd, the weekly student newspaper of Cardiff University, circulation appx 20,000, became the first UK paper to publish the cartoons. However, the publication has already been pulled, but many are now in circulation. <http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/tm_objectid=16675899&method=full&siteid=50082&headline=islam-cartoon-stops-the-press-name_page.html>

[edit] Toronto Sun?

I have a copy of the Feb. 7 Sun here and I don't see any of the cartoons in it. JohnnyB 16:01, 8 February 2006 (UTC) Hephaestion 22:36, 8 February 2006 (UTC)The entry was subsequently removed, thanks.

[edit] Aftenposten

The Norwegian newspaper printed one of the cartoons in 2005.

http://www.magazinet.no/default.asp?menuid=&linktype=2&linkid=22125 Norwegian: "Aftenposten trykket for eksempel en faksimile fra Jyllands-Posten i sin papirutgave i fjor høst" Translation: "Aftenposten printed for example on cartoon from Jyllands-Posten in their newspaper last year"

Unfortunately they have deleted them for they webpage. The printing of the cartoon was also confirmed in the news at the TV-station TV2 in Norway yesterday.

[edit] Don't change the order if you don't want to do all the work

User:Netscott changed the order of the two lists. Whether or not this move was correct he has succesfully destroyed the reference section. I'm going to revert the change. --Maitch 17:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough! Hehe... a little perl scripting and voilà, c'est fait! Netscott 20:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Might I suggest that on the chronological list the date be moved to the left so that redundancy can be combined such as it is with the countries on the by country list? --StuffOfInterest 20:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Ah.. I see what you mean... I tend to agree... but that looks to be quite a bit of work! That said it is a bit nice to see Egypt as #2 on the chrono list. Netscott 20:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh heck, I figured another little Perl script would take care of it. :) If things are quiet later on I'll try to tackle the change manually. It didn't take me too long to add in the circulation column to both tables. The only concern is edit conflicts if someone tries to add more data while I'm reformatting. --StuffOfInterest 21:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article title

Shouldn't this article be called List of newspapers that reprinted Jyllands-Posten's Muhammad cartoons? The newspaper is called Jyllands-Posten, not Jylland-Posten. Aecis Mr. Mojo risin' 19:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that is correct. I've corrected the typo and some of the links to this page. --Maitch 21:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Veja

While the date on both the printed edition and the online edition says February 8, Veja actually goes out on Sundays (and we often buy then late Saturday). I asked around, and was told it is often dated some days after it is printed — and I don't have the slightest idea why. --cesarb 19:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Brussels journal

If the idea is to list papers, not websites, I think, despite the name, the Brussels Journal should be removed.

I never saw a printed copy of the Brussels Journal. Nothing on the site points to a newspaper. For receiving the newsletter, you are only asked to give your email address. In "Who we are" you find only a list of names. It does not appear in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_Belgium

I agree. It's a blog. Don't mix it with real newspapers. Lotsofissues 20:09, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I've deleted it from the list. -- Avenue 23:16, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Update assistance needed: first American cartoon publication

The Sacramento Valley Mirror, a newspaper in Artois, California, published two of the cartoons in November. Source is: http://www.paradisepost.com/local/ci_3490282 Do not know all the necessary coding for update. Assistance required.

[edit] German papers

The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung is a daily newspaper with a circulation of about 375.000. Source: IVW Q1/2005

The Welt is daily with 244.000 Source: IVW Q3/2005

The Zeit is a weekly with 465.000. Source: IVW Q1/2005

IVW means "Informationsgemeinschaft zur Feststellung der Verbreitung von Werbeträgern e. V." you can find the german WP article here: [[14]]

Would someone please insert this into the table. I can't cope with that stuff :-) --Adornix 20:33, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

added. --KimvdLinde 03:13, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Map of Cartoon-Enlightened Countries?

Could someone make a world map showing which countries have newspapers/magazines that have published the cartoons? --85.187.180.47 08:27, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Plans for this are being discussed on the talk page for Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy, most recently under Talk:Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy#Map_final?. -- Avenue 09:28, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Do we need two tables?

The work of editing this list is complicated by having two tables. At the moment, it seems like the following entries are to be found in one of the tables only:

  • Brisbane Courier Mail
  • The Courier-Mail
  • Derstandard
  • Hospodářské noviny

I suggest we kill the "Ordered by country" table; it is redundant, and people can use the search-on-thi-page feature in their browsers if they want to. Once the list stabilizes, someone may want to re-add the country table.--Niels Ø 19:05, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Two tables were agreed originally, and there has been lots of good feedback. They are easy to edit and can be edited individually.Hephaestion 20:32, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
If it's so easy, why didn't you fix the discrepancies I mentioned? I've now fixed them, I hope.--Niels Ø 09:34, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Le Soir

As I remeber, the French speaking press in Belgium was begin februari against publication. According to http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caricatures_de_Mahomet#Belgique

Le soir printed a cartoon the 2/2/2006 that represented nothing and with the text "Ceci n'est pas Mahomet" - This is not Mohammed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.10.87.252 (talk • contribs) .

I have amended the entry to reflect the above.Hephaestion 07:59, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Russia

It turned out that a Russian weekly, the Bryansk-based Subbota (Saturday), had published two of the Jyllans-Posten cartoons on Feb. 10 (http://www.regnum.ru/news/591709.html). Later the newspaper removed the controversial cartoons from its website. Besides, this should be linked to the controversy surrounding an illustration in the Volgograd-based municipal daily Gorodskiye Vesti which depicted Moses, Jesus, Buddha and Muhammad sitting in front of a TV set. The TV showed two banner-carrying mobs looking for a fight. The bubble text above read: 'We didn't teach them to do THAT...'. It was reported today that the Russian Chief Prosecutor's Office is going to press charges against the newspaper 'for fomenting interreligious strife', and Volgograd's Deputy Mayor said that the daily may be stopped. Later the newspaper was liquidated. --Vladko 13:39, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

On Feb 15, the Vologda-based newspaper "Nash Region +" published 13 (?) Jyllands-Posten cartoons found on the Internet. The Vologda Region Prosecutor's Office charged the Editor, Ms. Anna Smirnova, with 'fomenting hatred using one's position' (http://www.korrespondent.net/main/145575/). --Vladko 05:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Russia's Ombudsman, Mr. Vladimir Lukin, expressed his indignation at the closure of the Volgograd-based nespaper Gorodskiye Vesti and called for punishment of the municipal officials who did that (http://newsru.com/russia/18feb2006/lukin.html). --Vladko 05:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Belarus

Even the last dictatorship in Europe (Belarus) couldn't stop the cartoon tide. The independent Zgoda weekly published several 'cartoons on the Muhammad cartoons'. Most of the circulation of some 5000 copies was stopped by the authorities. The Belarus KGB (yes, they still have the KGB!) has started criminal procedures against the paper. Its premises were searched and the Deputy Editor was taken away for questioning: http://naviny.by/ru/content/rubriki/1-ya_gruppa/obschestvo/22-02-06-1/. --Vladko 07:37, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Danish reporter school: 144 newspapers in 56 countries

Hi just found a small message that a danish journalist school has counted 144 publications in 56 contries. We have the same number of countries, did not count the # of publications --KimvdLinde 14:37, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Autocensorship in Slovakia

The cartoons were printed in SME (included in the list)were available also on the web-site, but removed after couple of days - after complaints from the slovak islamic community. Georg


[edit] Cartoons were not printed in Finland

None of the cartoons were published in printed form, in Finland. Some of the cartoons appeared very briefly in tv-news, and they have been published in some websites, but that is all.

Finnish newspaper Helsingin Sanomat did not actually ever publish any of the muhammed cartoons as such. All they published was a photo of an angry german muslim holding in his hand a german newspaper that had some of the cartoons on it.

And the muhammed-cartoon that was published by the Kaltio-magazine was only published in their website and not on paper.

[edit] NZ NBR did not publish cartoons

The NZ National Business Review did not publish any cartoons in print. An online-only story carried one cartoon. It has collected well over 100k page views.

[edit] Respublika (Lithuanian newspaper).

I'm in discussion with who appears to be the editor-in-chief of the paper, and awaiting a linkable (if possible) reference. Until then I've included the information emailed to me. I've contacted two Lithuanian wikipedians, hoping to find someone with access to archives of the paper, incase the links are subscriber only. -- Jeandré, 2006-03-21t21:48z

When I edited this and Timeline of the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy, they listed 4 cartoons published on 2006-02-07. I've added (from the editor's email) that they published 1 cartoon on 2006-02-06 and 9 on 2006-02-08. None of this info has references I can verify yet. -- Jeandré, 2006-03-21t22:04z
I could find that Respublika published 1 cartoon on its front page on the 6th. However, I found this and the next page from Vakaro Zinios. Renata 02:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh and those two newspapers belong to the same group. And there is no online subsription service. Renata 02:23, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "New" cartoons

I don't think that this page should contain papers that published "new" cartoons, only those that reprinted (some of) the JP cartoons. Loads of newspapers must have carried cartoons about the controversy, and they clearly don't count. "New' cartoons that feature Mohammed may be a borderline case. Do they merit inclusion here? Azate 04:23, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

But some of the "new" cartoons definitely need to be recorded in wikipedia as they have significant news value: for example, the UK publication of "one new cartoon" (the French "Don't complain..." one, incidentally) led to a resignation of an editor and the pulling of the whole circulation. [15] This resignation is definitely part of the story and I haven't found it in any of the wikipages.

I suggest adding a column to the table, showing the number of editors who resigned afterwards :-) 131.111.48.116 22:39, 23 March 2006 (UTC) djcmackay

[edit] Change name?

Perhaps the name should be publications rather than newspapers? There's at least some magazines in there, and I imagine there will be books at some point too.

And this is maybe a stupid question, but what's the point of the list exactly? Why might somebody want to know who reprinted the cartoons? Esquizombi 03:59, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Iran's president ordered the cancellation of contracts with any country where the cartoons were republished (look under Timeline_of_the_Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy#4_February), and the Islamic Army announced that citizens of these countries should be captured and killed (5 Feb). In several of these countries, there were protests specifically against the republication of the cartoons. The list also provides a measure of how conflicts between freedom of speech, offending religious sensibilities, and fear of retaliation have been handled in different countries. -- Avenue 14:52, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
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