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[edit] "Registered"

Errr, what's the source for this data? I ask because I work in the City's Neighborhood & Community Services Department, and we keep track of the registered neighborhoods. There's actually more like 150 of them, total... -- nae'blis (talk) 03:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Nae'blis, sadly this is an incomplete list. Being that you work for that department, you must have a list of all 150 neighborhoods. If you could complete the list that would be very helpful. Thanks a lot! 65.28.2.218 12:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, there's a couple of problems with that idea:
1) I don't know who this list is meant to be "registered" with. A lot of them are National Historic sites or similar, which is a more important grouping than our office's.
2) Our office gets new groups once or twice a month, at least, to add to our list. Many of them are not "notable" from Wikipedia's perspective, so it would difficult to justify my own decision to add/not add any particular new group; Wikipedia is supposed to be a collaborative effort, and I don't like the idea of being a gatekeeper in that manner. And our method of determining active groups is not published/public/particularly scientific...
3) The strange capitalization of this article makes me think perhaps it was copied from somewhere else, which is why I asked originally... maybe we need to start over from scratch, or move them to categories, or something.
-- nae'blis (talk) 22:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
First off I'm glad you created the list as a starting point. Now for the nitpiks:
1. I also don't like the "registered" or capitalization. This article should be called List of neighborhoods in Kansas City, Missouri. I would ***STRONGLY*** urge the renaming of the article (it's just a simple move).
2. If you have an official list floating around with 150 names or so, by all means replace what's here. Most of the neighborhoods don't have articles yet so you can't do much damage. Obviously you have to be careful to preserve the neighborhoods with articles.
3. Don't worry about gatekeeping.
Anyway, thanks for starting the list. It's a good start. Americasroof 20:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually, the name we choose for the article (and I agree the current one is poor) depends a great deal on how we define "neighborhood".
Here's three lists I have access to: 
Neighborhood Associations
  1. 40-46 North Neighborhood & Crime Watch
  2. 49/63 Coalition
  3. Avalon View Neighborhood Association
  4. Battleflood Heights Neighborhood Association
  5. Beacon Hill - McFeders Neighborhood Association
  6. Belle Acres Neighborhood Association
  7. Blue Hills Neighborhood Association
  8. Blue Valley Neighborhood Association
  9. Boston Heights and Mount Hope Neighborhood Association
  10. Briarcliff Hills Neighborhood Association
  11. Broadway Gillham Neighborhood Association
  12. CAM Neighborhood Association
  13. Center City Neighborhood Association
  14. Chaumiere Neighborhood Association
  15. Chelsea Park Community Group (formerly Greater Corinthian)
  16. Chouteau Estates Neighborhood Association
  17. Coleman Highlands Neighborhood Association, Inc.
  18. Colonial Square Neighborhood Association
  19. Columbus Park Community Council
  20. Communities of Northbrook
  21. Cooley Highlands Neighborhood Association (continues into NKC)
  22. Country Lane Neighborhood Association
  23. Coventry-Baughman Neighborhood Association
  24. Crossroads Community Association
  25. Davidson Neighborhood Association
  26. Downtown Neighborhood Association
  27. E.A.C.C.- East Area Community Coalition (EACC)
  28. East 23rd St. PAC Neighborhood Association
  29. East Swope Highlands Neighborhood Association
  30. Eastwood Hills Community Association
  31. Fearnedale Neighborhood Association (also listed as Fearne Dale or Fearn Dale)
  32. Forgotten Homes Neighborhood Association
  33. Foxtown East Neighborhood Association
  34. Foxtown West Neighborhood Association
  35. Freymons Addition Neighborhood Association
  36. Gashland Neighborhood Association
  37. Golden Oaks Neighborhood Association
  38. Green Haven Neighborhood Association
  39. Gregory Ridge Neighborhood Association
  40. Here's Waldo Neighborhood Association
  41. Highridge Manor Neighborhood Association (continues into Pleasant Valley)
  42. Holiday Hills Neighborhood Association (formerly New Holiday Hills)
  43. Hyde Park Neighborhood Association
  44. Independence Plaza Neighborhood Council
  45. Indian Mound Neighborhood Association
  46. Indianola Neighborhood Association
  47. Ivanhoe Neighborhood Council
  48. Jersey Heights Neighborhood Association
  49. K -A Manor Neighborhood Association
  50. KCI Neighborhood Association
  51. Key Coalition Neighborhood Association
  52. King Rose Hill Neighborhood Association
  53. Knoches Park Community Association
  54. Lewis Heights Neighborhood Association
  55. Longfellow Community Association (formerly Longfellow-Dutch Hill)
  56. Lykins Neighborhood Association
  57. Manheim Park Neighborhood Association
  58. Maple Park Neighborhood Association
  59. Marlborough East Neighborhood Association
  60. Marlborough South Neighborhood Association
  61. Mid Oaks Neighborhood Association (Prather)
  62. Morningside Neighborhood Association
  63. N.O.B.L.E. Association (NOBLE Neighborhood Association)
  64. North Star Neighborhood Association
  65. Northend Neighborhood Association
  66. Oak Park Neighborhood Association
  67. Old Hyde Park Historic District Neighborhood Association, Inc.
  68. Old Northeast, Inc.
  69. Original Loma Vista Neighborhood Association
  70. Palestine Neighborhood Corporation Inc
  71. Park Farms Neighborhood Watch
  72. Parvin Estates Neighborhood Association
  73. Paseo West Neighborhood Association
  74. Patterson Highlands Neighborhood Association
  75. Pendleton Heights Neighborhood Association
  76. Plaza Westport Neighborhood Association
  77. Prather Hills Neighborhood Association
  78. Ravenwood Summerset Neighborhood Association
  79. Red Bud Estates Neighborhood Association
  80. River Forest Neighborhood Association (continues into North KC)
  81. Riverview Neighborhood Association
  82. Rockhill Crest Neighborhood Association
  83. Rockhill Gardens Neighborhood Association
  84. Rockhill Manor Neighborhood Association
  85. Rockhill Ridge Neighborhood Association
  86. Royal Oaks Neighborhood Association (mostly in Weatherby Lake, MO)
  87. Santa Fe Neighborhood Association
  88. Scarritt Rennaisance Neighborhood Association
  89. Searcy Creek Parkway Neighborhood Association
  90. Sheffield Neighborhood Association
  91. Sheraton Estates Neighborhood Association
  92. South Plaza Neighborhood Association
  93. South Round Top Neighborhood Association
  94. Southern Comfort Neighborhood Association
  95. Southmoreland Neighborhood Association
  96. Squier Park Neighborhood Association
  97. Staley Farm Neighborhood Association
  98. Sterling Acres Neighborhood Association
  99. Sunnyslope Hills Neighborhood Association
  100. Sunset Dixon Neighborhood Association
  101. Sunset Hill Neighborhood Association
  102. Swope Park Campus Neighborhood Association
  103. Swope Parkway/Elmwood (S.P.E.N.A. or SPENA)
  104. The Hidden Jewel Neighborhood (formerly Highview/Bent Tree)
  105. Thistle Neighborhood Watch Association
  106. Tiffany Springs Neighborhood Association
  107. Town Fork Creek Neighborhood Association
  108. Troost Plateau Neighborhood Association
  109. Troostwood Neighborhood Association
  110. Union Hill Neighborhood Association
  111. United Neighborhood Association
  112. Valentine Neighborhood Association
  113. Vineyard Neighborhood Association
  114. Volker Neighborhood Association
  115. Walnut Grove Neighborhood Association
  116. Ward Parkway Plaza Neighborhood Association
  117. Washington Wheatly Neighborhood Association
  118. Wendell Phillips Community Association
  119. West Bannister Neighborhood Association
  120. West Plaza Neighborhood Association
  121. Westport Neighbors United
  122. Westside Planning Committee
  123. Willows Neighborhood Association
  124. Winnwood-Sunnybrook Community Council
  125. Woodridge Neighborhood Association
  126. Wornall Pines Neighborhood Association
Homes Associations
  1. 41/42 Montgall Homeowners Association
  2. 433 Ward Parkway Condominium Association
  3. Amber Meadows/Amber Lakes Subdivisions
  4. Armour Fields Homes Association (incl. Romanelli Gardens)
  5. Armour Hills Homes Association
  6. Astor Place Homes Association
  7. Autumn Ridge Homeowner's Association
  8. Barry Harbor/Hunter's Ridge Homes Association
  9. Barrybrooke Village Homes Association
  10. Birchwood Hills Homes Association
  11. Blue Hills Estates Homes Association
  12. Briarcliff West Homes Association (continues into Riverside)
  13. Briarwood West Homes Association (continues into Oakwood)
  14. Bridgepointe Homes Association
  15. Brighton Woods Homeowners Association
  16. Brittany Oaks Homes Association
  17. Carriage Hill Estates Homes Association
  18. Cassell Brook Homes Association (continues into Raytown)
  19. Charleston Harbor Homes Association
  20. Citadel Homes Association
  21. Claybrook Homes Association
  22. Claymont Homes Association
  23. Claymont North Homes Association
  24. Coachlight Square Homes Association
  25. Country Club Homes Association
  26. Country Side Homes Association
  27. Country Valley Homes Association
  28. Coves Homes Association
  29. Crestview Homes Association
  30. Crestwood Homes Association
  31. Crossgates Homeowners Association (continues into Grandview)
  32. Fairlane Homes Association
  33. Fairwood Homes Association
  34. Foxcroft Homes Association
  35. Foxwood Homes Association
  36. Glen Arbor Estates Homes Association
  37. Glen Lake Homes Association
  38. Green Meadows Homes Association
  39. Greenway Fields Homes Association
  40. Hickory Hollow Homes Association
  41. Highland Acres-Lakeside Heights Homes Association
  42. Hillcrest Heights Homes Association
  43. Indian Heights Home Owners Association
  44. Innisbrook Homes Association
  45. Janssen Place Lot Owners Association
  46. KCI Homes Association
  47. Kirkside Homes Association
  48. Kirktown Homes Association
  49. Lea Manor Homes Association
  50. Linden Hill Homes Association
  51. Little Blue Valley Homes Association
  52. Little Village Homes Association
  53. Loma Vista West Townhouses
  54. Mayfair Homes Association
  55. Mission Lakes Community
  56. New Mark First Pool Homes Association
  57. Newcastle Homes Association
  58. North Lakes Homes Association
  59. Oak Meyer Gardens Homes Association
  60. Oakdell Homes Association
  61. Oakhill Estates Homes Association, Inc.
  62. Park Plaza Home Owners Association
  63. Parkview Manor Homes Association
  64. Platte Brooke Homes Association
  65. Red Bridge Hills Homes Association
  66. Red Bridge Homes Association
  67. Rennaisance Coves Homes Association
  68. River Park Townhomes Homes Association
  69. Roanoke Protective Homes Association
  70. Rockhill Homes Association
  71. Rolling Hills South Homes Association
  72. Romanelli West Homes Association
  73. Ruskin Heights Homes Association
  74. Ruskin Hills Homes Association
  75. Sacred Heart Homes Association
  76. Santa Fe Hills Homes Association
  77. Sherwood Estates Homes Association
  78. Somerset Valley Homes Association
  79. Southern Hills Subdivision & Annex Homes Association
  80. Stoneybrook Homes Association
  81. Stratford Estates Homes Association
  82. Stratford Gardens Homes Association
  83. Stratford Place Townhomes Association
  84. Sugar Tree Homes Association
  85. Summit Wood Property Owners Association
  86. Terrace Lake Gardens Homes Association
  87. The Meadows Homeowners Association
  88. Thistle Homes Association
  89. Tower Homes Association
  90. Tremont Manor Homes Association (continues into NKC)
  91. Tri-Blenheim Neighborhood Association
  92. Valley View Homes Association
  93. Village Glen Homes Association
  94. Villas Property Owners Association
  95. Walden Homeowners Association
  96. Waldo Homes Association
  97. Ward Parkway Estates Homes Association
  98. Ward Parkway Homes Association
  99. Westchester Homes Association
  100. Western Blue Township Homeowners Association
  101. Western Hills Homes Association
  102. Westwood Park Homes Association
  103. Woodbridge Homes Association
  104. Woodgate on Bannister Homes Association
  105. Woodglen Homes Association
  106. Woodson Estates Homes Association
  107. Wornall Homestead Homes Association
FOCUS Neighborhoods

(administrative areas, not self-defined, but 100% coverage; note that many names overlap with the two above) http://www.kcmo.org/planning/pdf/focus/Neighborhood_Assessment_Reports/neighborhoodtypes.pdf since I can't seem to pull the text out easily myself.

[edit] edit header

However not all of these are "notable". Maybe this'll give us something to start to discuss, however. Okay, so our list is more like 233 groups, today... -- nae'blis 21:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Those 233 aer our "Active" status groups, not brand new ones and not defunct ones, so it will necessarily differ from the list we currently have in the article. Another option is http://www.kcmo.org/planning.nsf/web/reports which lists those groups/areas for which an official "assessment" was done for the FOCUS project (this would be a subset of the 3rd list above). That might count as a "independent reliable source" (not sure), with the caveat that several neighborhoods were combined for size reasons into a single report, and some of the really large ones, like Ivanhoe, were split for the opposite reason. -- nae'blis 21:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] notable

Wow. Nifty little javascript. Didn't know about that one! I should be careful about what I asked for. The original list in the article looks pretty good in comparison. Your list is definitely helpful in making sure we catch the ones that are notable. In any event this list goes back to my argument that this article should be called List of neighborhoods in Kansas City, Missouri. The neighborhoods that I was most interested in that brought me here (18th and Vine, Quality Hill, Downtown) are not on this list. In most places neighborhoods are usually not defined by any government entity and so the free form list actually works. The registered part confuses things. Thanks again for the posting the list! Americasroof 21:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I think I saw Quality Hill floating around the other day. 18th & Vine definitely needs an article if it doesn't have one, though I'm not sure what name to put it under. Another possibility would be to limit the list to those with multiple instances of media coverage (Ivanhoe), historic district (Garment District?) status, or mentions in books (Westport, etc). Still rolling this around in my head... also, I notice there's precedent in Category:Neighborhoods in the United States that we could emulate, for further navigational aid. In no way do I think all 200+ on my list deserve inclusion. One question would be whether to include KS-side/suburban neighborhoods of special note (might keep us from proliferating sublists for Independence, NKC, Overland Park, etc). -- nae'blis 22:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I think the list as is is good now. It catches everything that I might write to. If it doesn't, it can be created. Quality Hill and 18th and Vine are national register historic sites. Both have articles. It's the "registered" I don't like (and complaining about it was my main reason for wondering into this discussion). Registered implies government sanctioned, sponsorshipship and control. Neighborhoods are much more nebulous than that. So I still urge going to the neighborhood convention used in other cities List of neighborhoods in Kansas City, Missouri. Americasroof 22:40, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Oh, agreed. At this point I'm just wondering if a more nebulous List of neighborhoods in the Kansas City area would be more appropriate for a retitle. -- nae'blis 22:45, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
To see some of the naming conventions do a search on "List of neighborhoods" [1] This article shouldn't go down the slippery slope of trying to take on the entire metro area. The most notable neighborhoods are mostly south of the river. KCK has some notable neighborhoods but they should be in their own article. Likewise Overland Park neighborhoods could be in their own article. Offhand I can't think of notable neighborhoods in the other burbs except possibly in Independence. Americasroof 23:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Of note

Also, before doing anything major with this page I wanted to see the outcome of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Medina neighborhoods - turns out it was no consensus, which gives work on this page a decent chance of surviving. I'll revise the page list a bit later, gotta work for now... -- nae'blis 16:12, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] registered list/map

Moved from the top of the page

Despite what Nae'blis says, I have seen several times a map - with list included - of all of Kansas City's registered neighborhoods. There is an official list. If you go to http://www.kcmo.org and click on "maps," it is possible to get the map to show the neighborhoods. Each one has a defined boundary. Several years ago, a "neighborhood improvement project" also had a fact sheet for each neighborhood. Perhaps Nae'blis has the ability to retrieve these, too. There are over 150 registered neighborhoods in Kansas City, Missouri - JUST Kansas City, Missouri, not the ENTIRE metro area. And yes, they ARE registered officially with the city and have official boundaries. That's all this list was supposed to be. Any further ideas??66.140.86.173 21:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

You're probably thinking of the FOCUS neighborhoods; they can be seen on a map at http://www.kcmo.org/kcmo.nsf/web/maps (requires Javascript, turn off popup blockers), and they do indeed cover 100% of the city, as that's what they were designed to do. However they're closely related to the census areas (see page 6 of http://www.kcmo.org/planning/pdf/focus/NA_reports/rochilmn.pdf and related documents), and don't always correspond to actual "neighborhoods". Some were combined, some were split, in order to get assessment areas of roughly the same dimensions. I can't find a public description of how these areas were decided, but you can spot-check how they differ from our 'registered' listing in dimensions, size, and coverage. But on the other hand, our office's listing includes some very small, new, and relatively unknown neighborhood associations. I'm not sure that's the same thing.
I think the above approach is best: abandon trying to cover/list 'registered' neighborhoods in Kansas City, and start focusing on the important ones. If we use a combination of a working list and a category, it should be relatively easy to navigate, and easy to add to. Further thoughts? -- nae'blis 21:47, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
The neighborhoods have defined boundaries. The boundaries are used on the city maps demarcating the neighborhoods. These boundaries are used widely by the city for a variety of reasons, as Nae'blis has admitted. How is this not "registered?" Each neighborhood in Kansas City has a border and a neighborhood association that corresponds to the neighborhood within that border. Nae'blis admits all this. The article should thus be left as is, except that ALL 150+ registered neighborhoods ought to be added. It's as simple as that. 65.28.2.218 00:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] groups v. neighborhoods

The list says "The City of Kansas City, Mo. boasts hundreds of registered neighborhood organizations. The type of neighborhood organization varies throughout the city. Most of the organizations fall into four categories: neighborhood associations, homeowners associations, block clubs, and service organizations." [2]

I have heard nothing from the group that covers my area in the seven years I've lived here. Either they are defunct or they are representing me without my knowledge. --Gbleem 22:15, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

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