Talk:List of media portrayals of bisexuality

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[edit] Discusson of merger

I see that article Media portrayal of homosexuality is found to be an acceptable and generally useful article for a number of years now. It seems to me that these are comparable and even complementary area of scholarship.

Please explain why you see that one as having more significance than the other. Thank you CyntWorkStuff 21:12, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah...not to toot my own horn, but I'd say this article is less stub-y than the one on homosexuality in the media Andral 21:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd say that both Media portrayal of bisexuality and Media portrayal of homosexuality should be merged with the page about their respective sexual preferences. Neither of the "Media portrayal" pages bring anything special that they couldn't bring to the original page. --Dakart 23:15, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Note that homosexuality is marked as being larger than the preferable article size, so I'd say Media portrayal of homosexuality at least should remain as a separate article. Mdwh 23:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
If this article developed to discuss information from The Celluloid Closet and The Bisexual Option, would it be considered more worthy of being a separate article? Andral 23:34, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I wouldn't necessarily say it should discuss them, but if it used them as sources to discuss more about the media portrayal of bisexuality I think that would definitely help! --Dakart 00:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I cannot help but comment that from looking at the history and timeline, it seems to me that while this article was still being entered, initial data still being input, etc., there were immediate & not useful negative comments. And (again in a space of a couple hours, while initial article was still being worked on) a suggestions that the topic was of limited significance/interest and should be merged was slapped on.
This unseemly haste to dispose of an entry before the typist has even reached the bottom of the page seems more to reflect a distastes or disinterest in the topic at hand (Bisexuality, Bisexual community, et. al.) than a studied reflection on any intrinsic merit and appropriateness of this entry. Larry 23:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Your argument would hold up if the article has changed much since then... It has been a day and I still don't think the article is important enough to be separated from bisexuality. As of now the article is a list of sources that mention bisexuality - to me, that sounds more like a bibliography than an article. --Dakart 00:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't know how anyone else feels about this, but MDWH said, "i don't see how Wikipedia can use Wikipedia as a reference - though this article might be useful link for this section. convert to a wikilink" --Dakart 03:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Please DO NOT ERASE I am using this for a school paper. There is almost NO INFORMATION of bisexual people and now someone has done a study saying we don't exist. This is one of the ONLY references that shows we do outside of porn sites thank you very much

PS I have also added the link to another place about bisexual iiterature thank you again you again

Uhhh... What about: Bisexual, [www.bisexual.org], [www.glbtq.com], and [www.gaycenter.org]? By the way, Wikipedia usually isn't acceptable as a site for research anyways. As far as research goes WP is usually used just a place to find links for research. --Dakart 21:26, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Wow! Your comment that "Wikipedia usually isn't acceptable as a site for research" really amazes me. Other than a few disgruntled NPOV people who are angry that their "propaganda" was discovered and exposed, I have never heard that said before. However I have frequently seen it used for research, especially for school-children up to high-school (& possibly in college, just don't have examples) and for work related data.
Not meaning in any way to be disrespectful to you or flippant, but if you don't think an encyclopedia is acceptable for research, what do you feel is their proper use? Just curious. CyntWorkStuff 17:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Please leave list alone and Dakartit is obvious all you did is google the WORD 'bisexual' and make a list of whatever came up since your examples don't have anything to do with media, for example [www.gaycenter.org] is just a gay community center in new york city, your casual atitude about this really makes me have to questions your motives in why you are so keen on getting rid of a list of bisexual topics.
Would it really be appropriate to have a huge list in with an article on bisexuality? It doesn't seem to conform to the appropriate page style. So why is this up for merging? 68.191.217.254 20:37, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] X-men

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gay_and_bisexual_people_in_comic_fiction

Mystique and Destiny, two very important characters to the X-men universe.

[edit] Furthering the topic

"explicit scenes or implicit evidence of erotic activity in which a single character is involved with members of both the same and other sex is usually considered as evidence indicating a primary sexual orientation that is either hetero- or homosexual."

We have a few sources for this, http://www.glbtq.com/literature/bisex_lit.html and The Bisexual Option. Should we add this observation to the article? I imagine some people would question the neutrality of it, but, honestly, who can really argue that bisexual activity ISN'T usually offered as evidence of homosexuality or sometimes heterosexuality. Whether or not bisexuality is real (as some people believe it is not) wouldn't be in question here, just the way it is shown in culture.

[edit] Mention of bisexuals in each movie

I don't know how to make charts here, but maybe we should, making note of the bisexual character in each show and their portrayal in the movie.

[edit] Encyclopedic or Trivia?

Am I the only person who looks at this article and thinks listserver? I think a few examples would suffice and those examples could be merged with the respective topic. See What wikipedia is not Alan.ca 07:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

While you are not the only person, so far you are in a distinct minority, (one of two). Especially given that the template for this page was copied from other long existing pages covering the same type of data for different subjects, (please see Media portrayal of homosexuality for example).
And I have checked the page you mentioned and while I can guess which one you are referring to, no I do not feel it fits into any of the categories mentioned. There are many items in Wikipedia that lend themselves to a "List" type format (please see List of museums and cultural institutions in New York City for example). Simply being in a particular format does not make them un-Encyclopedic. I believe what they are referring to is articles that are very "thin" and where people then attempt to bolster their notability by wildly throwing in anything they can think of that has anything remotely to do with the subject.
This is a serious, very useful, scholarly entry. As a mater of fact, especially in the "Literature" area it may be that it will soon grow too large for a combined section and should be split off into its own article. CyntWorkStuff 17:19, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
How about creating a category for the wikipedia articles on this subject and that category could be appended to those pages? As for the list concept, I do now realize after further reading that structured lists are encouraged. There are some tips on the wikilink I attached that may assist you in improving the quality and longevity of this list. Thanks for the discussion. Alan.ca 12:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
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