Talk:List of level editors

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This article was nominated for deletion on September 17, 2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

[edit] "GTA Vice City Cheats" editor?

I've looked and looked, and I can't find anything that suggests that there is a level editor called "GTA Vice City Cheats", aside from one post on a message board that wouldn't be a reliable source. There is one called "Vice City Ultimate Trainer", however. The only reason that I didn't edit the article is in case someone has evidence that an editor by this name exists--needless to say, Googling "GTA Vice City Cheats" brings up tons of pages with cheat codes. 74.131.21.136 00:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I'll make the change. Thanks for researching this. Though it may be moot, since this article (list) is about to be deleted. — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:03, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A few additions

Assuming this list survives AFD, would it be appropriate to add Megazeux amd ZZT? ZZT, to place this in perspective, was among the first games created by Epic Games and is a very early example of a Level Editor. Also, Tiled is a general purpose level editor (not associated with any particular game) and may fit here. Inmatarian 18:13, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Sure, but you don't need to ask, just add them. You bring up a good point on ZZT, however. Should this list include games that have level editors included or should it just be for standalone editors? I vote for the latter. — Frecklefoot | Talk 18:24, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Let me clarify. Megazeux and ZZT are the built-in editor types; however, they make the distinction between editor and game. The same executable can act as editor and game, but the actual games don't have editors. In fact, if you removed all of the .zzt and .mzx files from the directory, and the programs could still act as an editor for creating new games. So, they're that third type, Level Editors with Games. Inmatarian 15:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clarification

I meant this list to contain level editors, but not games that just happen to have level editors included with them. Listing all the game that have integrated level editors will just bloat the list (as it is already doing). The way I see fixing things, before they get out of hand, is either:

1. Remove all games that happen to have level editors
2. Creating a seperate list (within the article) of games that contain level editors

Thoughts? — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't quite understand the distinction. A level editor is a level editor, regardless of whether it is packaged in or a standalone download. Nifboy 15:41, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

The list has stand-alone level editors listed in it and also just some games that have level editors included with them. This bugs me. Clicking on most of them will just take one to the article on the game, which usually mentions next to nothing about the level editor. I'd like a distinction between items in the list that are actually standalone level editors and items that are actually games that have level editors. I hope that was clear. :-S — Frecklefoot | Talk 17:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

So it's a matter of the editor having its own article (or at least some prose dedicated to it) or not? I don't think it's something a random monster editor walking in will be able to distinguish. So would StarEdit be on the list? Nifboy 23:36, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Boy, that complicates things, doesn't it? Well, since it has it's own name and has a HUGE section in the article, I think, sure. Most games that come with editors don't have their own name, as this one does. But like I said, most articles about games don't have a special section about the level editor, and many don't mention the editor at all. These I'd like to put in the second list (within this article -- List of games with level editors, or some such thing). — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:01, 22 September 2006 (UTC)