Talk:List of gay pride events

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  • Use [1] to add more european pride events

[edit] Wikipedia is not a link farm

Unless some inclusion guidelines are created for this page, for example that only events with articles go in, this page is seriously in violation of what the encyclopedia is not. - 152.91.9.144 07:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, this now conforms to Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists) and Wikipedia:Don't overuse flags (I know it's an essay, but it's a good one.) - 152.91.9.144 07:46, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Ok, this isn't a link farm; the links are there to be a "source" that verifies that such an event exists. Firstly, essay's aren't policies and secondly the essay says that they are okay to use in long list of countries. If there are any problems, let's reach a consensus first.--AshadeofgreyTalk 12:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Hy User:Hansele (=152.91.9.144) (=Benutzer:Hansele) from german wikipedia. User Ashadeofgrey give you the correct answer.GLGerman 16:11, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I understand that it was a bit of a shocking change, so I've got no problem with the full revert. In the end though the article will almost certainly look more like this than this. From the Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists) guideline we've got "Ideally each entry on the list should have a Wikipedia article but this is not required if it is reasonable to expect an article could be forthcoming in the future." and from Wikipedia:Lists#Tables we've got "use of tables to display lists is discouraged." It would also be useful to look at Wikipedia:What is a featured list? The external links as a source may be problematic for two reasons: If this list is meant to include all gay pride events we should look at the notability guideline to see that simple existance is not enough, and to demonstrate notability then it requires an independant third-party source. How about some things we can probably all agree on:

  1. The flags are a decorative element only and should be removed,
  2. That external links for entries with articles should be in the parent article not here, and
  3. That there must be some inclusion guidelines for this list.

Then we can work out the details once we see what the common ground is here.
152.91.9.144 23:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, on your first point, I think you've quoted out of context: it meets all of the other selection criteria and each item COULD have it's own article. To not have a table would make the list complicated, it would be difficult to see the different countries, especially without flags. On your main points
  1. The flags, which I included, were not meant for decorative purposes. Some of the continents/areas have a large number of countries; it would be more sensible to have the flags as it makes finding information easier.
  2. I think that "sources" should remain, without the list has no backone of reliablilty
  3. There is a vague inclusion guideline - as it stands any that have a website or are mentioned in third party literature (GilliamJF has been using a book to add these) and despite that, there will almost definately be mention somewhere of pride events outside the organisers material.
The "innate" notabilty guideline is working; the list isn't too long. In regards to the mention of WP:WIAFL, I think that the list is useful (with your proporsition is wouldn't be), comprehensive (with your proporsition is wouldn't be), uncontroversial, stable and well-constructed.--AshadeofgreyTalk 00:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

This list seems to have a lot of events on it that don't belong here. An LGBT film festival is not a Pride event. A mainstream film festival which includes LGBT content (Sundance?!) is not a Pride event. A circuit party is not a Pride event. An LGBT tennis tournament is not a Pride event. An academic conference is not a Pride event. A fetish fair is not a Pride event. We need to be clear on what this list is for: is it for Pride events, or is it for LGBT-related events in general? If it's for Pride events, then the list needs some good editing; if it's for any and all LGBT events whether they're connected to Pride or not, then the article needs to be moved to a different title. Bearcat 03:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair point; if you want, you can remove the ones you feel don't belong here (in regards to the title)--AshadeofgreyTalk 10:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Format

I would like to make editors aware of the table format at the german Wikipedia version of this list, which I see as somewhat more informative. In addition to name, location, we could also list:

  • the month the event occurs (optional);
  • the year the event was established;
  • link the website as a footnote.

Also, the countries are subdivided under continent.- Gilliam 03:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I've added the "Occurs in", "Established in" and subdivided events by country. I've left the websites as the footnotes section would be large --AshadeofgreyTalk 12:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Very nice, Ashadeofgrey. Now I'll try to do some research to find out more dates, months, etc.- Gilliam 16:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
What do you think of the idea of linking the websites to the name of the pride event (the one's that don't have articles) and ensure that the articles have the official site?--AshadeofgreyTalk 18:04, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
There might be policy on this, I don't know, but I find it terribly distracting to have a list (or column) where some entries are wikilinks and some are external. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
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