Talk:List of gay porn stars/Archive
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Chris Rock
Chris Rock? Although "Rock" sounds just like a valid porn star name, was there really a porn actor with this stage name, or is it a joke aimed at the famous comedian?
clean up
12-14 Feb 2005: I've cleaned up the links on this page. Most of the links went to people who are not porn stars, which is pretty useless. People coming to this page are not doing so to read about college football players, US congressmen, British shopping centres (Brent Cross) or Canadian electoral districts (Brandon West), or for that matter, the refined iron product, Steel, or the meterological phenomenon, Storm.
- I have fixed the incorrect links by adding "(porn star)" to the name of the person linked from this page so that any article created would appear under the title, "Chris Rock (porn star)". And yes, there is a white gay porn star named Chris Rock.
- I did not use "erotic actor", because that would presume that all of these people can act, which I don't think is the case.
- I have also cross-linked where some of these performers have performed under more than one name, to avoid the situation where we create multiple articles about the same person. Thus, clicking on "Matt Ramsey" will take you directly to "Peter North (porn star)" when an article is created under that name. If you look at the coded text, it appears as [[Peter North (porn star)|Matt Ramsey]]
proposal
The article on Jamie Wingo was nominated for deletion, and barely escaped being wipd out. I expect that this is the first of a series of Wikipedia:Votes for Deletion that will hit articles linked from this page in the coming months. The articles may well lose the votes and be deleted.
Many of these articles are currently stubs that are unlikely to be developed. I am proposing to move the text from these stubs to a "Gay erotic actors" page, while leaving the better-developed articles as stand-alones. If someone wants to extend one of the stubs to a full-length article later, the text can be transferred back. Any comments? Should I go ahead and do this? Zeromacnoo
- On further reflection, I can't really be bothered to do this. If, on the other hand, there is a vote-for-deletion attack on gay erotic actor stubs, I will go ahead and do it to protect the text from deletion. Zeromacnoo 15:33, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Name
If no one objects, I will move this to "List of gay porn stars" for the following reasons:
- it is the common name, which Wikipedia encourages,
- "erotic actors" is a euphemism, which Wikipedia discourages, and
- it is POV to say that they are "actors".
The question of many porn stars being "gay for pay" only is addressed in the first paragraph which notes that this is a list of people who appear in "gay porn", not that they are gay stars. I'll make this change in the coming week or so. Zeromacnoo 21:55, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Links
My next project will be to remove the redlinks from most of the names. Let's face: it is unlikely that articles will be written about very many of these people. If someone does want to write an articlle, they can easily edit this page to put the [[square brackets]] back in. What is happening most of the time is that a non-related article is being written about another person or thing, and an incorrect link is therefore being created from this page. Zeromacnoo 14:22, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- It happened again twice: today, Butch Taylor became automatically linked to an article about a member of the Dave Matthews Band, who is not the same person as the porn star, and Kevin Williams was linked to a football player. Zeromacnoo 16:46, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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- I have removed the links for all names A-K except where an article exists or where the link has already been disambiguated. I will return to do the remainder within a day or two. Zeromacnoo 21:07, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Resources / Erotica Wikiproject?
This Link is a good database of gay pornstars. We can likely use the pictures as fair use as well.
Is there a wikiproject up to deal with erotic articles? I do not think Wikipedia is being censored currently, but it is maybe a good idea to have a centralilzed project page to combat censorship (esp. gay erotica censorship) in case such a thing happens, also perhaps to coordinate efforts. --ShaunMacPherson 01:27, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
Shaun, Thanks for the link. I'll look into it when I have some time and see what I can collect to add here. thanks also for the Aaron Nichols article. A good start, although it would be useful to add at least the beginnigs of a videography as we have for a number of the other porn stars on the list.
Please don't wikify the whole list of names, even a little at a time. I just finished dewikifying it for the reasons listed above.
When you or me or someone else writes an article about one of these people, that is the time to add in the link. Otherwise, we are going to end up with a list full of deadlinks and false links. The problem is not as simple as checking for links to existing articles. The problem also extends to new articles that are written after you create the redlink. See the reference to Butch Taylor and Kevin Williams that appeared out of the blue one day long after I had started watching this page.
I've identified several of the cases that I have run into here already where a link from this list took the reader off in some completely unrelated direction. I really don't think that someone looking for information on Brandon West wants to know about the Manitoba riding of that name. And so on. I've been monitoring this page for a while to try to avoid these problems, but I really think it is best only to put in links to the correct articles, or to put in a clear disambiguation e.g., [[Brandon West (porn star)|Brandon West]]. But I don't see the point even in putting a whole bunch of disambiguated redlinks. Let's just leave it until there is an article.
Furthermore, creating a bunch of deadlinks is inconsistent with the Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(links) which says:
- On the other hand, do not make too many links. An article may be considered overlinked if any of the following is true:
- 10% of the words are contained in links
- it has more links than lines
- a link is repeated within the same screen (40 lines perhaps)
- more than 10% of the links are to articles that don't exist.
Thanks. Zeromacnoo 14:28, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
