Talk:List of fictional music groups

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Contents 1 Fictional music groups 2 Rasta Billy Skank 3 Alvin and the Chipmunks 4 Real vs. fiction 5 The Sacred Cows 6 Blue Man Group 7 The Dan Band 8 Header and change in format 9 Severe Tire Damage 10 The Residents 11 Johnny Glockk?

[edit] Fictional music groups

The contents of this article should probably be moved to List of fictional music groups, rather than the latter having a redirect to this article. An encyclopedia article entitled Fictional music groups should primarily discuss what a fictional music group is, which seems rather superfluous, and then possibly offer links to such a list. In current Wikipedia practice, such lists tend to start with "List of..." in order to separate them from more conventional encyclopedia articles, a compromise advocated by these list-keepers to fend off the Wiki population who don't believe such lists belong in an encyclopedia in the first place. -- Jeff Q 18:20, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I think I agree - do you fancy moving it? Also, it seems a reasonable thing for an encyclopedia, The Trolls of Navarone 19:17, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I'll give it a week or so for any further comments. I'd expect to move this page to List of fictional music groups, then make this page a redirect for the immediate future for any who've bookmarked it. Eventually it should either be filled in as a proper encyclopedia page or deleted. I'd also change the List of fictional bands redirect appropriately. -- Jeff Q 19:04, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I finally moved this page from Fictional music groups to List of fictional music groups as mentioned above. (Sorry 'bout the delay; it sorta fell off my plate. ☺) I've also updated all the links except talk pages related to the change (which shouldn't change) and User pages (for which I'll probably leave a note on their Talk pages). If anyone is surprised or upset, please read the justification above before marshalling your arguments. -- Jeff Q 17:46, 31 May 2004 (UTC)

Looks good to me. The Trolls of Navarone 19:20, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Rasta Billy Skank

I'm not sure, but I always thought "rastabilly skank" was a fictional music genre that Dave Lister was into (presumably a 23rd century fusion of reggae, rockabilly and ska punk, or something similar), rather than a group or artist. Anyone know for sure either way? --Daibhid C

I think it's a band. I've done some Googling, and there's certainly at least one reference to a solid band; see Rimmer's changing tastes in Thanks For The Memory ("from Mantovani to Rastabilly Skank"); the official Red Dwarf Magazine reportedly said that Lister's favourite song of theirs (his?) was Don't Fear The Reefer, Man. Of greater confusion is an additional reference to Rastabilly Ska, which may be something else entirely. Kinitawowi 14:14, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Alvin and the Chipmunks

It's kindof hard to categorize them as fictional, after all, they've released albums... Your thoughts?[[User:Rhymeless|Rhymeless | (Methyl Remiss)]] 07:23, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

By the same token, I'm not sure that Tenacious D belongs on the list, since they have released albums and toured. Sure, they're gimmicky, but are they fictional? --HBK 17:31, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I Removed Tenacious D because they are a real band. However, Alvin and the Chipmunks, even though they release albums is not a real band. Alot of fictional bands have released albums, but The Chipmunks are cartoon characters, and thats about as fictional as your going to get.--The_stuart 17:51, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The Partridge Family is one of the most famous fictional groups in pop music history, yet they released quite a few albums. What makes them fictional is that they never existed as a real band; i.e., the putative family was a bunch of unrelated actors (except by one coincidence), and the actual performers were a studio creation (although the two groups shared two performers). Alvin and the Chipmunks fit this criterion; they were all creations of Ross Bagdasarian (AKA David Seville). On the other hand, Tenacious D, according to its Wikipedia entry, definitely does not belong on the list. Just because it's a comedy band doesn't make it fictitious. The prototypical fictional band turned real would be Spinal Tap, but it remains a "fictional" band because its real-life members are pretending to be other people. — Jeff Q 17:57, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Then, this brings up the question of Fozzy. They have a gimmick, and pretend to be other people (namely, a band that invented heavy metal, but were trapped in Japan for 20 years, so they were unable to take recourse when they found themselves ripped off by "less talented" acts), but, with the exception of lead singer Moongoose McQueen (wrestler Chris Jericho), they are all real musicians who have been in other real bands. They also tour as a band and have released two albums. Does Fozzy belong on the list? --HBK 20:05, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Wow, that is getting tricky. I'd say no, because they are a real band with a fictional history, but I can see the counterargument. I would point out that "Weird Al" Yankovic has several ficitious stories about his career, but he's certainly not a fictitious performer, and that pseudonyms themselves aren't a very compelling argument for inclusion here. I'd suggest a guideline that any band that was never meant to be a real band should definitely be in the main list, and if they somehow became one despite expectations, put them in the "also existed" section. — Jeff Q 23:44, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Okay, here's another one I can't categorise: The Smurfs: sure we all know the Smurfs, but most people forget that they released several albums in the 80s....Where would that belong? [[User:Rhymeless|Rhymeless | (Methyl Remiss)]] 04:52, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Some more difficult to categorise bands (personally I'd be tempted to put them all in "Fictional/also existed"): (1) The Blues Brothers; (2) The Archies; (3) The Wombles. [[User:Grutness|Grutness ^hello? ]] 06:35, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Real vs. fiction

I think the list woud be better if the fictitous bands that later became real were inlcuded in the main part of the list, but with an asterix or something indicating that the band became "real" at some point. Sometimes the line is a bit thin. I think The Rutles can be included as well; as they did record an album that was not at all connected to the film which they were created for. -R. fiend 01:36, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Sacred Cows

Is actually a real band and a fictional band - Sacred Cows, New Haven, Connecticut, 1980s. I know some of the band and they would really enjoy that they are linked to this list. And, I have no idea if they based themselves on Get Smart or not. If I ever see them I will ask them. Tx for reading.--McDogm 19:12, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Blue Man Group

On their website, BMG insinuate themselves into a number of historical developments in art, music and film, including some current day music situations. Don't know if this qualifies them for the list, tho.--McDogm 19:19, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Dan Band

The Dan Band is also not a fictional band. www.thedanband.com They are a real band that is currently on tour. They we're also not formed for the movie Old School. They existed before the movie and we're asked to do the movie because the director thought they we're hillarious.

Which they are.

...so why are they still on the list? >.> *removes* Also, someone with a bit more knowledge than me needs to make an article on The Dan Band. MardukZero 20:18, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Header and change in format

I'd like to put the "real" bands back in with the "fake" ones, as the differences are sometimes tenuous. I'd like to have a header reading something like

The following is a list of fictional music groups, usually ones that have appeared in a fiction book or film. Those that actually existed in some form outside of a work of fiction have been marked with an asterisk.

I'll need help identifying all such entries; clearly there are quite a few. If anyone approves, objects, feels like helping, etc. leave a note. -R. fiend 05:26, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Severe Tire Damage

I believe there was actually a band with this name, and it existed before the movie cited in the list. I don't recall the details, but it was a band made up of physicists or computer scientists or something, which had some kind of distinction like being the first something to do something over the Internet. Sorry I don't remember any more details.

71.145.156.54 10:30, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

You are correct! They are Xerox scientists. Their home page --Cheesemaster 13:23, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Residents

Okay, why exactly are the Residents classified as fictional?

They do not belong on the list. They are anonymous but a real band. --Cheesemaster 13:23, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Johnny Glockk?

What was the name of the actuall band playing in that king of the Hill Episode when Bobby said it was "Johnny Glockk"?

The entry looks like a mistake. It only appears on Wikipedia and its mirrors. I will mark it. --Cheesemaster 13:23, 14 July 2006 (UTC)