Talk:List of fiction inspired by Dune

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[edit] Speculation vs Reporting

There's a big difference between sharing certain thematic material with and being directly (or even indirectly) influenced by something. This article confuses the two. --RobertDaeley 17:34, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That and it should at least source the purported influences. This article should report, not speculate.--Rev Prez 14:55, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Many authors often do not openly cite influences, depending on how much their respective works are influenced. In this case speculating is reporting by neccessity. --Scotto 10:08, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

In light of the above comments I went ahead and tagged the article with a {{cleanup-verify}} tag. I don't know how to fix the article myself (beyond deleting every unverified fact) but hopefully the tag will attract a knowledgable editor. --CVaneg 22:52, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Scotto: Then you report the speculations of others and cite those sources. The "No original research" rule applies. --BluePlatypus 11:12, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

i see what you mean, the article should be cleanned up in a way, or re-done drawing a line between simmilarity and influence. Wich in both cases, i just wouldnt know wich is wich, the Dune novels have been read by so many of the invisible writters that both George Lucas or the Wachowsky brothers might use that its impossible to see it straight. The biggest case is of course Star Wars, particulary in the newer episodes, were the simmilarities are just too much to just say that its a coincidence there. About the Matrix i wouldnt really know. One thing that could be sayd is that the bone structure of the first novel (wich is that a magical messiah, who doesnt know that hes a messiah, leads a group of opressed people against their opressors) has becomed a standard cliche for pretty much many of the latest sci-fi movies.

[edit] Problems

This article seriously needs details. The Matrix borrows from Dune in many elaborate ways beyond the simple messiah theme.

Also Star Wars features "dumbed down" versions of much of Dune's motifs and themes. I will edit it myself</nowiki>

[edit] Need a publication history

I just spend almost 40 minutes looking on the internet for list of the Dune novels and prequel novels writter by Frank Herbert, Brian Herbert and/or Kevin Anderson. For some reason, I can't find one. If such a list exists, PLEASE tell me where the list is, and I'll add it. If not, maybe some sleepless night, I'll compile one myself.

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Frank Herbert Dune Works

Dune

Dune Messiah

Children of Dune

God Emperor of Dune

Dune Heretics

Dune: Chapter House

Extras

Songs of Muad'Dib

Eye (Short Story Collection; contains eight illustratins from the series, and short descriptors written by Frank Herbert)

Dune Encyclopedia (editor and advisor; please note this is contested, and isn't considered "canon")

Kevin J. Anderson and Brian Herbert Dune Works

"Prelude to Dune" Series

Dune: House Atreides

Dune: House Harkonnen

Dune: House Corrino

"Legends of Dune" Series

Dune: Butlerian Jihad

Dune: Machine Crusade

Dune: Battle of Corrin

Short Stories by KJA and BH in their prequel series (These were availiable as ebooks, free online, or in the paperback versions. They are not collected in any short story collection)

Hunting Harkonnens: A Tale of the Butlerian Jihad

Whipping Mek

Faces of a Martyr

Nighttime Shadows on Open Sand (written by KJA for his short story collection Dogged Persistance)

Upcoming books

Paul of Dune (a trilogy of prequels of Paul Atreides' childhood still being considered by KJA and BH; title is tenative)

Hunters of Dune (part 1)

Sandworm of Dune (part 2)

(the unfinished "Seventh Book" Frank Herbert died before writing split into two parts; supposidly from notes orginally from Frank Herbert himself, to be published tenativley in 2006 and 2007 respectively)

Vaguely Related Materials (NOTE: TWO diffrent items with the same title)

Road to Dune Brian Herbert's bio of his father.

ROAD TO DUNE ("is a collection of unpublished chapters, some short stories, and a new "alternate" version of DUNE, so it does not fit into the timeline and is not part of the 'canon'"; was supposed to be published in 2005.

This is pretty much it. I compiled it from amazon, and Dunenovels.com

http://www.dunenovels.com/timeline.html

Zidel333 05:47, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

PS Who says I have a life?? :D