Talk:List of deaths in The Sopranos series

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Contents 1 Body Count and Jimmy Altieri question 2 Philly Spoons 3 Screenshots 4 Big Pussy 5 Curtis' killers in Whitecaps 6 Pontecorvo Pic, help with screens 7 Dino Zerilli 8 Eugene's Aunt 9 Animals 10 Rusty and Eddie 11 viper 12 Vito and Dom's death 13 Furio's Father 14 The Angelo Giacolone hit 15 Pussy Malanga

[edit] Body Count and Jimmy Altieri question

Is there some reason this is a count, rather than an actual list as the title would indicate? If not, I'll try to list them; I've seen several inaccurate lists on the web.

In the official "The Sopranos: A Family History" book, it's stated that Altieri WAS a rat. Since this book is written by the writers, I think it's a good source and so I removed the note about it not being for sure if Altieri was a rat.

It's actually a list and a death count. If it says in the book that Altieri was a rat, then he is...or was. Sfufan2005 19:05, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Philly Spoons

Philly "Spoons" Paris - killed for telling people that Tony likes "to fluff his mother's pillows." (Wants her dead) -- Wasn't he killed so Tony could gain control over Junior's crew in the aftermath of season 1 finale? Gigi Cestone was always going to kill him, the fcat that he mentioned Tony's mother is irrelevant.

It was both I believe. We should add the other part as well. Sfufan2005 22:05, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Screenshots

hi guys, i added a whole wikisection of all the actual screenshots. I grabbed the screens myself from my dvd's and resized them. It took about 5 hours to put up all the screenshots of the victims, I'm going to need a screencap of Big Pussy from the scene where he gets shot, one of his dead face on the ground. I pretty much covered everyone else on the show. - Zarbon 15:39, 21 January 2006

Good job, the screenshots are pretty disturbing though when you see them all put together. Sfufan2005 16:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

yeah, you're right about that. the sopranos in its full notoriety is a brutal show. This may be irrelevant and I don't know where else to chat about it, so I just want to say that my all-time favorite Sopranos character is and always will be Brendan Filone. - Zarbon 16:38, 21 January 2006

On further note, anyone who can get a screenshot of the Fedex Eugene receives stating that his aunt has died would be fine for the screenshot for Aunt Edie. - Zarbon

i added joseph joey cogo. i remembered him and knew he was killed. he also appeared in season 4 and was beaten up by furio and chris. - Zarbon

[edit] Big Pussy

ok, i added Big Pussy finally. I think that pretty much does it until a sixth season update is made. I don't think the teenager's name is dominic. I keep watching that part over and over and I only hear the father of the boy being referenced as Ralphie, but i don't hear any "dominic". I rechecked this. The old man says "my namesake", so the reference is that the kid's name is indeed dominic. - Zarbon

[edit] Curtis' killers in Whitecaps

Ok, am i the only one who noticed this?! The guy who shoots Credenzio Curtis and Stanley Johnson is not Little Paulie. The other guy is Benny Fazio, but his partner in the shooting is NOT and I repeat, is NOT little Paulie. Need convincing, just scroll down and check the screenshot I grabbed for yous! On another note, I'm not going to change the info because I have no idea who the hell that is, all's I do know for a fact is that it sure as hell is not Little Paulie. Sfufan, you seem to follow the show devotedly as me, help me figure out who really clipped Credenzio. - Zarbon 22:31, 27 January 2006

OK, checked it... its not Little Paulie. Sfufan2005 23:01, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I had a look at the screenshot and it looks like Petey to me. He is AKA Bissel and has recently appeared in "Mr and Mrs John Sacrimoni Request" in the scene where T beats up Perry. He is playing ball with Bobby when T arrives and then follows the rest of the crew inside. Patsy suggets he could have Bissel fix T a sandwich just after they get into the back room. I think this could be the guy who shoots Curtis with Benny - he's in the right crew, credited in that episode and it looks like him. If someone else could double check I think we can go ahead and add him to the list of killers. -Opark77

nah, i checked the ball player. that was Jason Molinaro and the shooter wasn't Jason Molinaro. - Zarbon

• Actually I am afraid you are mistaken Zarbon, I am 110% sure that it is Bissel who plays ball with Bobby as he is referred to by name in the scene by Patsy - Jason Molinaro appears earlier in the episode "Mr and Mrs John Sacrimoni Request" where the crew are playing cards as T first returns to Satriales. What I actually hoped was that someone would double check is if it was Bissel with Benny when he kills Credenzo Curtis and Stanley Johnson like you asked. --Opark 77 22:37, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

personally, after watching it numerous times, i don't think that's bissel. nor is it anyone who appears later on. the curtis shooter is rather plump in the cheeks... - Zarbon

• Fair enough and thanks for checking --Opark 77 22:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

OK it's not Bissel - next theory. It's Alfie, he was one of the guys with Bissel and Little Paulie in "Eloise" when they trashed Carmine's restaurant. There's a few good close ups of him in that scene (try 24 minutes into the episode Eloise) - looks a bit like the same guy from your screenshot to me. However he is not credited in whitecaps - but Bissel was and he doesn't appear anywhere in the episode so perhaps the credits got mixed up. --Opark 77 15:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Scratch my last few posts - this article has an interview with, and pictures of, Jeff Marchetti, the guy who plays Petey/Bissel. It also states that he killed Stanley and Credenzo:

http://www.sopranosuessightings.com/marchetti.htm

It shows that I was wrong about Bissel being the ball player. It was actually Jason Molinaro as you thought Zarbon so I apologise for my obstinance and stupidity. Patsy does use Bissel's name though so I guess he's around somewhere. --Opark 77 14:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

yes, i am definitely sure that jason molinaro was the player as i had stated. and now because of the site's confirmation, i can agree with you my friend that bissel was the other shooter. no need to apologize though, we all make mistakes. i do however, think that it was bissel. regardless, we can alter the shooter now. - Zarbon

[edit] Pontecorvo Pic, help with screens

it's lighter now, just to make you happy. compare and see the difference.

I'd be grateful if someone can grab the screens from season six deaths before the season is released on dvd. i can fixate the size and all that, but i'd need someone to grab them and submit them first...by this i mean the columbians, etc. who have recently been killed. - Zarbon

• I'm happy yes, but I wouldn't allow pics if they are to dark, even if you desperately need them. You can barely see a thing in the first pic. The Filmaker 20:30, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

cool. let me know if you have problems here, and i will try my best to fix them. and anyone who can get screens of the recent guys, please post em so i can add them in the same orderly size. - Zarbon

[edit] Dino Zerilli

On a similar note to the Credenzo Curtis question - is everyone sure that it is Ally Boy with Chris when he shoots Dino Zerelli? I was rewatching the episode recently and it didn't look like him to me - could anyone get a screen shot of the faces of the two guys just before they shoot Dino to confirm it? Also I thought it was Dino that shot Sunshine and Jackie who shot Furio, but with the ski masks it is hard to be sure - could someone double check this too? - Opark77

Jackie Jr. shot sunshine. i can tell by the color of the clothing. jackie wears the gray clothes. Dino wears the black clothes. - Zarbon

• Thanks Zarbon, I appreciate the help. Did you manage to check Dino's killers too?--Opark 77 19:37, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
• Ok I had another look myself and it was Albert. --Opark 77 16:12, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eugene's Aunt

Shouldn't Eugene's aunt count as a death? Other "off screen" deaths have been put on the chart, for example Dominic, the boy that OD'd in Season 1.

I agree, go ahead and add it - maybe a screenshot of the letter from Members Only would be appropriate if anyone could find one. -Opark77

I mentioned this earlier but nobody paid any attention. the screenshot of the letter will do fine if anyone can find it. - Zarbon

I added Gene's aunt, but can't find a picture of it.

[edit] Animals

Is it really necessary for animals to be part of the death tally. I understand that death happens to everyone but really I started the page for HUMAN only deaths. I didn't intend to include Pie-O-My, Cozzette, A White Tail Deer and Rabbit all of which look very silly next to humans. Any opinions? Sfufan2005 19:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

• I agree that it seems strange to include animals. -Opark77

maybe there should be a separate infobox made for animals alone? that way they are somehow mentioned. i personally think that they shouldn't be counted in the overall tally but they should still be mentioned somehow on the page. - Zarbon

• I really don't like that idea. This is a human show not some drama you would see on Animal Planet. Sorry, I just think that it doesn't belong here since the deaths really didn't impact a lot (i.e. the deer and rabbit). It could be argued that Pie-O-My and Cozzette played pivotal roles in character development but then we would have to include the other ones as well. That is why I feel that animals should not be included in this count. Sfufan2005 21:17, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

i'd agree with you but there are others who would want to know when the animals died in the series and how else would they find out...?

- Zarbon

I still don't understand why, who cares if an animal dies. This is getting pretty stupid and I'm not changing my argument so there. Opark 77 and I'm sure several other editors feel the same way. Sfufan2005 23:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

i understand, but i wouldn't make all the changes without bringing it up first...i personally don't care about the animals, but there are "animal lovers" who would want to be informed...so maybe we could link the animal deaths...or something to avoid confusion for people who are actually interested. - Zarbon

How about this Zarbon. Instead of adding them to the table we add to the tally in addition to human deaths there have been 5 animals murdered through the course of the series.

• • Mule Deer-- "Pine Barrens"
  • Pie-O-My-- "Whoever Did This"
  • Cozzette-- "The Strong, Silent Type"
  • Rabbit-- "Luxury Lounge"

I just think the pictures are a bit too much. Sfufan2005 18:52, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, I added the little bit...tell me what you all think. Sfufan2005 18:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I prefer it to the pictures as well...it looks better and it saves room for more humans. yes, it's good like this. I support you sfufan. - Zarbon

Good edit, this is fine and at least anyone coming to the death list confused by who cozette was and why Christopher was cruel enough to whack the poor female by sitting on her can find out her species --Opark 77 23:46, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rusty and Eddie

Can anyone try grabbing the moment that Eddie is shot. Maybe there was no pan of the Rusty shot but i'm sure that there's a better screenshot for eddie getting shot. the moment that he gets shot by the italian. that part where the bullet ricochets into the car. that's a more suitable screenshot since all the other screenshots are from the moment of impact. - Zarbon

[edit] viper

the guy who was shot by chris in the latest episode didn't die. he was merely wounded. - Zarbon

[edit] Vito and Dom's death

My question, should Phil Leotardo be included as one of Vito's killers? He was present, but all he really did was sit there.

I think that Silvio should be included as one of Fat Dom's killers. He was the first person to attack, and was choking Dom out while Carlo stabbed him.

no, phil should not be credited. he didn't do the killing. it's the same as saying joe peeps killed calluzzo when he just stood there. somebody should get screen grabs of Vito getting hit in the head with the duct tape on and Dom lying on the table dead. The best screen would be one of Dom's dead body lying on the table, without Silvio and Carlo in it. - Zarbon

Rest in peace Vito

[edit] Furio's Father

I noticed Furio's father is the only death in the series without a picture. Has anyone thought about getting a screen cap of Furio's father's funeral from Mergers and Aquisitions? I know we don't see his body or anything but there could just be one of Furio walking around talking to his uncle or something. I could probably sort out a picture and upload it if people think it's needed. If so, which do you think would be the best shot to use? The scene in question is all in subtitles so do we want one with words at the bottom of the frame? Sorry if this has already been discussed.

yah...i'll get a screen for it like i did the rest. - Zarbon

[edit] The Angelo Giacolone hit

FYI, before Ray Curto dies in Members Only, he's telling Agent Sanseverino that he has Tony on tape talking about the "Angelo Giacolone (sp?) hit"? I think he should be included b/c other offscreen deaths are included on the list, but I'm unsure of the exact spelling of the name.

Most of these off screen deaths are characters that appear in on screen at some point. Eugene's aunt is an exception. However I think that for Angelo Giacolone to merit inclusion we need to know more about him than his name, which we also can't spell. Please sign posts on talk pages with 4 tildes (~). --Opark 77 22:40, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

this isn't really much of an offscreen death...he's not even noted and we never even see him...personally, we can't add him because we don't know anything about him. if the FBI come out and mention 200 names in a row but we have never even seen those people and add them...that would really make no sense. Also, on another note, I feel that the season 6 part one finale was by far the worst one so far...absolutely nothing happened except for phil being scared with a fire threat...it was seriously the worst finale so far...and i'm hoping the final eight episodes will make up for this very poor episode ten fold. - Zarbon

[edit] Pussy Malanga

Shouldn't he be added here somewhere? I guess to Members Only, as that's where we find out that he was indeed killed back in season 1. Either way, he should definitely be added, as he caused two enormous conflicts throughout the series (Artie's restaurant and Tony's shooting). There's a pic of him on the TV screen in the pilot if anyone can capture that. Looks like he's in a wheelchair. - Ant1238

He obviously didn't die in the pilot because Tony had Artie's restaurant blown up to ruin Junior's plans. Tony also mentions in "Members Only" that Malanga has been dead for 6 years, meaning he died sometime in 2000 (Season 2). The difference between him and other off-screen deaths is that we knew that he was a dead man walking in the first episode, but we didn't get confirmation on his death until the 66th episode. There isn't a specific episode we can point to. RTB2006

I say leave him out. There is no confirmation of how he was killed. For all we know, he could have died of natural causes and his death was unimportant. It was merely Uncle Junior's own paranoia which re-surfaced his existence. So for all intent and purposes, it's very likely he died of natural causes and since we have no exact date of his death, we cannot appropriate him to any season. that's why he should be left out unless there were a section made for "offscreen out-of-season deaths". - Zarbon