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[edit] Spirits Etc.

Given the number of ghost sightings and the lack of hard evidence for their existence, I don't understand why they're not listed as cryptids. I would be doubly interested to see God, Vishnu, Ahura Mazda, angels, demons, etcetera listed as such. If you want disputed claims about hidden creatures, these are perhaps the most disputed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by E-Vince (talk • contribs).

Um, the reason why they're not up there is because I have never heard anybody propose that God, Vishnu, angels, demons, blah blah blah belong in Kingdom Animalia, i.e. things that Zoology and thus Cryptozoology would be concerned with. In the future can you also sign with four tildes and place your new comments towards the bottom? Cameron 20:38, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Sorry about that. I’m new to this environment, to Wiki. Historically, I don’t happen to know of any man of science classifying such creatures into that kingdom during their investigations either. But, 1) I can’t see what other scientific classification would be more fitting and 2) they seem to fit the general description of cryptids. I understand that most biologists are completely unconcerned with most of the cryptids on the list, but these creatures are an issue with which society seems deeply interested, so I think that they should be listed as such unless they can be otherwise better classified. E-Vince 20:14, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Cryptozoology is focused on mysterious natural creatures, not supernatural. Supernatural creatures should not be listed. Image:Tycon.jpgCoyoty 20:22, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Absolutely. I fully agree with you. Science studies nature rather than supra-nature. Also though, when approaching an event that is supposedly supernatural, scientists do not simply ignore it; they approach it as a natural phenomenon. For instance, if certain people encounter a disease which they call an evil spirit, a scientist investigates it within the confines of nature (viruses, bacteria, etc.). But science studies all phenomena regardless. When people report sighting these so-called supernatural creatures it’s up to science to provide an empirical explanation - to either debunk it or confirm it. I think these would be considered mysterious natural creatures until they’ve been debunked/explained as supernatural. Plus, I think that listing them as cryptids invites further investigation; investigation which is sorely needed to settle the question – this is the job of science. Also, I see these creatures as joining the ranks of other established cryptids that are considered to be supernatural/magical such as the Greyman, the Menehune, etcetera. I don’t see the difference here??? E-Vince 15:15, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Protoavis

Woer$, can you provide a reference to the claim that "Protoavis" is a cryptid? I am curious as to why you treat this animal as if it was a proven alive outside of the fossil record. I'm even more curious how anybody but a highly trained paleontologist could identify such a creature from a sighting with total certainty. Cameron 14:20, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I've already removed protoavis because it seems to be an disputed fossil, not a disputed living animal. Image:Tycon.jpgCoyoty 18:22, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reptiles and dinosaurs

I changed "Reptiles" to "Reptiles and dinosaurs" because of the uncertainty of whether dinosaurs were cold-blooded reptiles or warm-blooded early birds or an entirely different order. They're thought of as reptiles, though, so people will look for them listed with reptiles. Image:Tycon.jpgCoyoty 18:22, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Too many non-cryptid links on page

This page has too many non cryptid links on this page. A few of the cryptids listed on this page arent cryptids so delete them. Also the lakes where cryptids are reported to live doesnt belong on this page Zalgt 21:37, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Very true, it looks like it's time for some more "spring cleaning" here. I will be deleting a lot of those "cryptids" that have snuck their way on here. If anybody would care to defend why what they put up represents a potentially unknown species of animal, this is the place to discuss this, please just don't revert my edit. Cameron 23:29, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page re-og

I haev re-organized this page into a list (because that it really was). I created a CSV and have been using de:Benutzer:Duesentrieb's CSV converter. Below is the CSV, I am going to leave this page alone for a day or two to see if anyone dislikes the organization. If you like it feel free to edit away! -Ravedave 02:38, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

"Name","Other names","Status"," Description"," Location"
"[[Bili Ape]]",,,"Primate","Africa"
"[[Chemosit]]",,,"Primate","Africa"
"[[Kikomba]]",,,"Primate","Africa"
"[[Almas (cryptozoology)|Almas]]",,,"Primate","Asia"
"[[Barmanou]]",,,"Primate","Asia"
"[[Batutut]]",,,"Primate","Asia"
"[[Ebu Gogo]]",,,"Primate","Asia"
"[[Gin-Sung]]",,,"Primate","Asia"
"[[Hibagon]]",,,"Primate","Asia"
"[[Kaptar]]",,,"Primate","Asia"
"[[Mecheny]]",,,"Primate","Asia"
"[[Mirygdy]]",,,"Primate","Asia"
"[[Nguoi Rung]]",,,"Primate","Asia"
"[[Nyalmo]]",,,"Primate","Asia"
"[[Orang Mawas]]",,,"Primate","Asia"
"[[Orang Pendek]]",,,"Primate","Asia"
"[[Tjutjuna]]","Chuchunaa",,"Primate","Asia"
"[[Yeren]]",,,"Primate","Asia"
"[[Yeti]]","Abominable Snowman",,"Primate","Asia"
"[[Yowie (cryptid)|Yowie]]",,,"Primate","Australia"
"[[Brenin Llwyd]]",,,"Primate","Europe"
"[[Fear liath]]",,,"Primate","Europe"
"[[Shug monkey]]",,,"Primate","Europe"
"[[Woodwose]]",,,"Primate","Europe"
"[[Bigfoot]]","Sasquatch",,"Primate","North America"
"[[Fouke Monster]]",,,"Primate","North America"
"[[Menehune]]",,,"Primate","North America"
"[[Momo (cryptid)|MoMo]]",,,"Primate","North America"
"[[Old Yellow Top]]",,,"Primate","North America"
"[[Skunk Ape]]",,,"Primate","North America"
"[[Tsul 'Kalu]]",,,"Primate","North America"
"''[[Ameranthropoides loysi]]'' ","Loys's Ape",,"Primate","South America"
"[[Maricoxi]]",,,"Primate","South America"
"[[Mono Grande]]",,,"Primate","South America"
"[[Biabin-guli]]",,,"Primate",
"[[Humanzee]]",,,"Primate",
"[[Minnesota Iceman]]",,,"Primate","North America"
"[[Moehau]]",,,"Primate",
"[[Neo-Giant]]",,,"Primate",
"[[Canvey Island Monster]]",,,"Bipedal",
"[[Chupacabra]]",,,"Bipedal",
"[[Dover Demon]]",,,"Bipedal",
"[[Goatman (cryptozoology)|Goatman]]",,,"Bipedal",
"[[Jersey Devil]]",,,"Bipedal","North America"
"[[Kappa (mythical creature)|Kappa]]",,,"Bipedal",
"[[Lizard Man of Scape Ore Swamp]]",,,"Bipedal",
"[[Loveland Frog]]",,,"Bipedal",
"[[The Loveland Lizard]]",,,"Bipedal",
"[[Mothman]]",,,"Bipedal",
"[[Orang-Bati]]",,,"Bipedal",
"[[Pope Lick Monster]]",,,"Bipedal",
"[[Reptilian humanoid|Lizard men]]",,,"Bipedal",
"[[Wendigo]]",,,"Bipedal",
"[[Wampus cat]]",,,"Bipedal",
"The [[Beast of Bodmin]]",,,"Carnivorous mammal",
"The [[Beast of Bray Road]]",,,"Carnivorous mammal",
"The [[Beast of Exmoor]]",,,"Carnivorous mammal",
"The [[Beast of Dean]]","Moose-Pig",,"Carnivorous mammal",
"The [[Beast of Funen]]",,,"Carnivorous mammal",
"The [[Beast of Gévaudan]]",,,"Carnivorous mammal",
"[[Maltese tiger]]","Blue Tiger",,"Carnivorous mammal",
"[[British big cats]]",,,"Carnivorous mammal",
"[[Dobhar-chu]]",,,"Carnivorous mammal",
"[[Eastern Cougar]]",,,"Carnivorous mammal",
"[[Bergman's Bear]]","God Bear","Extinct","Carnivorous mammal",
"[[Japanese Wolf]] ",,"Extinct","Carnivorous mammal","Asia"
"[[Maltese tiger]]",,,"Carnivorous mammal",
"[[Marozi]]",,,"Carnivorous mammal",
"[[Mngwa]]",,,"Carnivorous mammal",
"[[Nandi Bear]]",,,"Carnivorous mammal",
"[[Ozark Howler]]",,,"Carnivorous mammal",
"[[Queensland Tiger]]",,,"Carnivorous mammal",
"[[Shunka Warakin]]",,,"Carnivorous mammal",
"[[Smilodon]] ",,"Extinct","Carnivorous mammal",
"[[Waheela]]",,,"Carnivorous mammal",
"[[Waitoreke]]",,,"Carnivorous mammal",
"[[Veo]]",,,"Carnivorous mammal",
"[[Giant beaver]] ",,"Extinct","Herbivorous mammals",
"[[Kting Voar]]",,,"Herbivorous mammals",
"""[[Mapinguari]]"" ","Remnant of [[Megatherium]]","Extinct","Herbivorous mammals",
"[[Mammoth]]",,"Extinct","Herbivorous mammals",
"[[Pygmy Elephant]]",,,"Herbivorous mammals",
"[[Quagga]] ",,"Extinct","Herbivorous mammals",
"''[[Elasmotherium]]''","Giant Unicorn",,"Herbivorous mammals",
"[[Altamaha-ha]]",,,"Sea Animal",
"'[[Cadborosaurus willsi]]'' ","Caddy",,"Sea Animal",
"[[Chessie (sea monster)]]",,,"Sea Animal",
"[[Con rit |Con Rit]]",,,"Sea Animal",
"[[Gambo]]",,,"Sea Animal",
"[[Giglioli's whale]]",,,"Sea Animal",
"[[Kraken|The Kraken]]",,,"Sea Animal",
"[[Lusca]]",,,"Sea Animal",
"[[Megalodon]] ",,"Extinct","Sea Animal",
"[[Mermaids]]",,,"Sea Animal",
"[[Sea monk]]",,,"Sea Animal",
"[[Sea monster]]s",,,"Sea Animal",
"[[Sea serpent | Great sea serpent]]",,,"Sea Animal",
"[[Steller's Sea Cow]] ",,"Extinct","Sea Animal",
"[[Trunko]]",,,"Sea Animal",
"[[Globster]]",,,"Sea Animal",
"[[Bear Lake Monster]]",,,"Lake Animal",
"[[Bessie (Lake Monster)|Bessie]]",,,"Lake Animal",
"[[Brosno dragon]]",,,"Lake Animal",
"[[Champ (legend)|Champ]]",,,"Lake Animal",
"[[Inkanyamba]]",,,"Lake Animal",
"[[Lake Tianchi Monster]]",,,"Lake Animal",
"[[Lake Van Monster]]",,,"Lake Animal",
"[[Lake Worth monster]]",,,"Lake Animal",
"[[Loch Ness Monster]] ",,,"Lake Animal",
"[[Manipogo]]",,,"Lake Animal",
"[[Morag (lake monster)]]",,,"Lake Animal",
"[[Monster of Lake Van]]",,,"Lake Animal",
"[[Muc-sheilch]]",,,"Lake Animal",
"[[Mussie]]",,,"Lake Animal",
"[[Nahuelito]]",,,"Lake Animal",
"[[Ogopogo]]",,,"Lake Animal",
"[[Phaya Naga]]",,,"Lake Animal",
"[[Storsjöodjuret]]",,,"Lake Animal",
"[[Taniwha]]",,,"Lake Animal",
"[[Buru (cryptozoology)|Buru]]",,,"Reptile/Dinosaur",
"[[Beast of Busco|Churubusco Turtle]]",,,"Reptile/Dinosaur",
"[[Chimpekwe]]",,,"Reptile/Dinosaur",
"[[Dinosaurs in South America]]",,,"Reptile/Dinosaur",
"[[Emela-ntouka]] ",,,"Reptile/Dinosaur",
"Giant [[Anaconda]]s",,,"Reptile/Dinosaur",
"[[Hoop snake]]",,,"Reptile/Dinosaur",
"[[Kingstie]]",,,"Reptile/Dinosaur",
"[[Kongamato]]",,,"Reptile/Dinosaur",
"[[Living dinosaurs]]",,,"Reptile/Dinosaur",
"[[Mbielu-Mbielu-Mbielu]]","[[Stegosaurus]]","Extinct","Reptile/Dinosaur",
"''[[Megalania prisca]]''","Giant Australian [[monitor lizard]]",,"Reptile/Dinosaur",
"[[Mokele mbembe]]","[[Sauropod]]","Extinct","Reptile/Dinosaur",
"[[Ngoubou]]","[[Triceratops]]","Extinct","Reptile/Dinosaur",
"[[Olitiau]]",,,"Reptile/Dinosaur",
"[[Ropen]]",,,"Reptile/Dinosaur",
"[[Sirrush]]",,,"Reptile/Dinosaur",
"[[Snallygaster]]",,,"Reptile/Dinosaur",
"[[Tatzelwurm]]",,,"Reptile/Dinosaur",
"[[Tsuchinoko]]",,,"Reptile/Dinosaur",
"[[Devil Bird]]",,,"Bird",
"[[Dodo]] ",,"Extinct","Bird",
"[[Moa]] ",,"Extinct","Bird",
"[[Owlman|Giant Owls]]",,,"Bird",
"[[Thunderbird (cryptozoology)|Thunderbird]]",,,"Bird",
"[[Diprotodont]] ",,"Extinct","Marsupials",
"[[Queensland Tiger]]",,,"Marsupials",
"[[Thylacine]]","Tasmanian tiger","Extinct","Marsupials",
"[[Trinity Alps Giant Salamander]]",,,"Amphibians",
"[[Atmospheric beast]]",,,,
"[[Ahool]]",,,,
"[[Bunyip]]",,,,
"[[Drekavac]]",,,,
"[[Elmendorf Beast]]",,,,
"[[Mongolian Death Worm]]",,,,
"[[Setontot]]",,,,
"[[Tuba (organism)|Tuba]]",,,,
"[[Rod (cryptozoology)|Rod]]",,"Discredited",,
"[[Chacoan peccary]]",,"Identified",,
"[[Congo Peafowl]]",,"Identified",,
"[[Dingiso]]",,"Identified",,
"[[Giant Panda]]",,"Identified",,
"[[Gorilla]]",,"Identified",,
"[[Giant Squid]]",,"Identified",,
"[[King Cheetah]]",,"Identified",,
"[[Komodo Dragon]]",,"Identified",,
"[[Kouprey]]",,"Identified",,
"[[Okapi]]",,"Identified",,
"[[Onza]]",,"Identified",,
"[[Purple Kangaroo]]",,"Identified",,
"[[Saola]]",,"Identified",,
"[[Woolly Flying Squirrel]]",,"Identified",,
"[[Coelocanth]]",,"Identified,Thought Extinct",,
"[[Ivory-billed woodpecker]]",,"Identified,Thought Extinct","Bird",
"[[Monoplacophora]]",,"Identified,Thought Extinct",,
"[[Takahe]]",,"Identified,Thought Extinct",,
"[[Dahu]]",,"Discredited",,
"[[Drop bear]]",,"Discredited",,
"[[Fur-bearing trout]]",,"Discredited","Fish",
"[[Giant Penguin]]",,"Discredited","Bird",
"[[Hodag]]",,"Discredited",,
"[[Hyote]]",,"Discredited",,
"[[Kasai Rex]]",,"Discredited",,
"[[Lindworm]]",,"Discredited",,
"[[Man-eating tree]]",,"Discredited","Plant",
"[[Row (cryptozoology)]]",,"Discredited",,
"[[Cherufe]]",,"Mythical?",,
"[[Hellhound]]s",,"Mythical?",,
"[[Mothman]]",,"Mythical?",,
"[[Phantom cat]]s",,"Mythical?",,
"[[Popo Bawa]]",,"Mythical?",,
"[[Phantom kangaroos]]",,"Mythical?",,
"[[Red Headband]]",,"Mythical?",,


There's something worng with Veo... A lacking comma, perhaps? 200.230.213.152 04:21, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lake Van Monster/Van Lake Monster

Just a question and this is directed at no one in particular but shouldn't the Van Lake Monster article and the Lake Van Monster articles be merged since they're about the exact same thing and it doesn't really need two articles? Thanks. Flyingcheese 09:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pizzly Bear & Ogopogo

Pizzly Bear: changed 'America' to 'North America'. Ogopogo: added Canada... when the lake is known, should it be included? Lake Okonogan, British Columbia S-P 13:06, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cryptid Project

I have created a project for the cryptid articles on this site. Please contribute. See it here. Cryptids --PunkRock911 12:07, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criteria for inclusion in the list

Difficult one I know, but the article on cryptozoology states: 'Cryptozoology is the study of animals that are rumored or suspected to exist, but for which conclusive proof is missing; the term also includes the study of animals generally considered extinct, but which are still occasionally reported.' I think the list should be consistent with the definition so we should get rid of at least:

  • Mermaids,Smilodon,Mammoth,Quagga,Kraken (unless anybody has reported any of these recently)
  • Sea monsters would seem too general to keep.
  • Also anything with status listed as 'Mythical?' fails the test. Yomangani 16:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
i think that Mermaids, since they are not confirmed (but have a significant number of sightings) should be included. Same for Kraken. However, anything that is a real, confirmed animal, like the Giant Panda or the Mammoth, should not be on the list.NCartmell 18:01, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Some cryptozoologists, including Heuvelmans himself, did take "mermaid" sightings as being unknown sirenian populations, and modern ones like Coleman/Huyghe seem to regard them as being aquatic primates, so it should definitely be on the list. That's the reason I linked up the strangeark list of cryptids, it gives references to what Cryptozoologists actually consider likely and should be double-checked in case any questioning of cryptid inclusion comes up.

Kraken sightings are based on giant squids, so there's no point of having it on the list. Even if some sightings were based on an unknown species of giant octopus, that is already covered on the list. The Mammoth is certainly not confirmed as still being alive, but seeing as how all the reports are really old, there's no point of having it on the list. I don't see the point of having animals like the giant panda listed, their discovery pre-dated the concept of cryptozoology by several decades. The list does still need some cleanup and constant monitoring, but I do see how this could become a very valuble resource some day.Cameron 22:40, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

What about including "ex-cryptids" confirmed post 1955 (Heuvelmans' book) or post 1983 (first use of cryptids)? I think that would be useful as a reference. Perhaps we could split it off into a separate table? Yomangani 10:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
That would be, the only problem is it would only cover the Onza cat, the only and only Cryptozoology "victory". I find it rather misleading how some Cryptozoologists call animals "ex-cryptids" when they were never called cryptids in the first place and no Cryptozoologist ever noticed them or wrote about them. Still, I think it would be appropriate to make a separate list documenting large animals discovered since the 50's. Even though Cryptozoology had nothing to do with their discoveries, it still does demonstrate that new species are being discovered and would be there only for a sake of argument.Cameron 14:39, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I am going to add to this list a 'Tasmanian Tiger' (or Tasmanian Devil) an Indigenous Australian carnivorous mammal. It is supposed to have had the last of its species die in captivity in an Australian Zoo around 1927. It looks like a wolf-dog with stripes on its hind quarters. Anyway, there have been 'sightings' of it reported by people visiting Tasmania in the last 10 years. Tasmania is still richly forested. It seems reasonable that a 'Tassie Tiger' could be added here. I see there is a Queensland Tiger, so here goes. Drakonicon 18:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
The 'Tasmanian Tiger' is just the common English name for the Thylacine. The 'Tasmanian Devil', while somewhat related, is a different critter that IS recognized by Science. It is nothing like the cartoon character. The 'Queensland Tiger' is a cryptid reported from the Australian mainland, larger than the known Marsupial Cats (at least one of which is also called the Tiger-Cat sometimes, leading to more confusion). (CFLeon 02:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC))
I would object to the folk-lore critters being included, such as the fur-bearing trout, the hodag, and the drop bear. These were never meant to be taken seriously by anyone. It seems like nowadays EVERY mythological animal is seriously suggested as a cryptid and people miss much of the symbolic or metaphorical point of the mythology. (CFLeon 02:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Mongolian Death Worm

According to the article it is two to four feet long and a snakelike creature believed by some to be a reptile. Anybody have a reason for listing it as an insect? (if it is really a worm it would be an annelid not an insect)Yomangani 10:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Could be a larva, perhaps. But then where's the adult stage? Totnesmartin 12:37, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bigfoot / August of 2006 / Any new evidence ?

Is there at all any new concrete and irrefutable evidence for August of 2006 and any time prior to that. Of that which has come to light in the world that helps to support the existence of Bigfoot. Are there any new videos at all that have surfaced of Bigfoot. Are there any new casts taken of his feet and the dermal ridges and prints of those feet. Have any forestry heliocopters over head ever gottan a clear and unmistakable aerial shot of him as they passed over him in some open field somewhere. Now strange brown hair samples that are taken to labs are a nice little Bigfoot story teaser. And yes even samples of unknown animal feces in the forest of which are taken to labs for conclusive testing prove somewhat boring to me in the end. My question is this. Have any skulls been recovered. Are there any new and reliable credible eye witness accounts of Bigfoot or Sasquatch to this present day and moment. Have any photos been taken with digital cameras ever surfaced. Well to me it would seem that everything falling short of that seems to seriously diminish the interest of the existence of Bigfoot. Even though I am a hard skeptic. I want to be able to beleive there is a Bigfoot of who is real. Can anyone out there bring something valueable to the table that cannot be easily dimissed nor discounted.www.geocities.com/berniethomas68 01:44, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maryland Cryptid, 2004

In Maryland, and possibly parts of nearby states, my memory is a little fuzzy as this is two years later, an unknown animal was seen running through backyards et al... It was unlike other animals native to the region, and nobody could quite figure out what it was... Sadly, this was around the time of the 2004 elections, so the case didn't receive as much attention as perhaps it should have. Whatever did become of this incident? As a Marylander, I'm surprised not to see anything about this anywhere... Can anybody help m out here? Scrounge 19:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

you mean the dog-like thing? I'll try to find some refs. back in a sec. Totnesmartin 12:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
[1] [2] Any good?

[edit] Some ideas

I know this is probably 'original research', but I think I ain't the only one stupid enough to think that... Animals such as Hellhounds (that are mainly wild dogs with two or three heads, as far as I know, right?) and Hippogrypphons (some sort of four-legged bird) could easily be some sort of fetal malforming or something like that, right? 200.230.213.152 04:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hellhound

According to the article, hellhounds have never been put forward seriously as a real animal, just a legend or ghost. I think the article should be removed from cryptids and put into a ghosts list. Totnesmartin 12:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Land squid

What a load of old bollocks. Reference one is to a discussion of the supposed thing living in the Cretaceous period (not today) and ref 2 is a photographic close-up of a flower (probably a labiate or orchid). Give me a reason to keep it in the list.

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