Talk:List of city nicknames

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[edit] Fachadolid

I'd say Facha doesn't translate to redneck, but simply to fascist (short for 'fascista'->'facha'). So the nickname points out to the embracing of the National side during Spanish Civil War and the pervivence of right-wing, pseudo-imperialistic Spanish ideologies amongs the inhabitants of the city (NOte: this is a totally non-NPOV. It corresponds to us, the civilised oppressed nations of Spain's periphery: Galicians, Catalans and Basques).

So many cities call themselves the Athens of the North, South, East or West. Would be interesting to know what Athens itself is called.

Seabhcan - 8 - 03 - 04

I've been leaving out "The" before nicknames -- but I can see the temptation to put them in. Suggested compromise: putting "The" after appropriate nicknames. For example, "Rose City, The"

If consensus is reached, we can put a note in the opening section. Scarequotes 16:23, Aug 29, 2003 (UTC)

Should we establish some kind of size requirement for this? I know New Market, Maryland bills itself as the "Antiques Capital of Maryland"... Tuf-Kat

What about very specific nicknames? People into punk rock might refer to Reno, Nevada as Skeeno and San Diego, California as Slow Death. Tuf-Kat
I say include them and indicate the communities that use that nickname -- Skeeno (punk rock fans). Also, as for city size, there's no cutoff population given in the Wikipedia definition of city, so use your best judgement. I'd probably leave out a town of 2000 people, but it wouldn't offend me to see it listed. Scarequotes 18:16, 1 Sep 2003 (UTC)
In the United Kingdom there is an official list of cities. I am not sure if it is similar in other countries. However, I wouldn't be bothered by incorporating towns.
I have found a site which lists all UK cities, by changing the address I noticed it has US cities. So it probably has cities from several countries.
SimonMayer 05:47, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)

It looks like someone has been doing a botched job of merging. We have got a lot of things listed twice now. Also this page is very long now, 43k - is a de-merger the best fix? Or will a proper merge solve it? Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 10:52, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I don't think they can properly be demerged, without creating a half dozen new articles (Venice Of X page, X Capital of the Y page, etc.)
In an ideal world, MW would have a list-database feature, where lists can be sorted any which way, and articles can have links to particular filters or sorts. Either that, or we pick one sort, and ignore all the others. Or we live with the duplication in articles like this. KeithTyler 14:58, Jun 1, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Toronto

I've noticed that Toronto has alot of nicknames, most ive heard but theres some that confuse me. for example, "The economic engine of Canada" is that really a nickname or just a description of the current state of the city?

  • Indeed 'nickname' may be a rather grandious term in this case. WilyD 23:00, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Havana of the...

Havana

I think there could be a list of Havanas too, like athens of Venice. - Nijmegen, the Netherlands, is refferred to as Havana aan de Waal (Waal=river) because of it's politically left local government. - Same accounts for Deventer, Havana aan de IJssel (IJssel= another river)

[edit] Good vs. Bad

Does anyone else think it's inconsistent to be including both "official" nicknames combined into the same list as perjorative nicknames? I would think that at least separating the official nicknames from the unofficial (and usually negative) nicknames into different sections. Having "Athens of America" and "Murdertown USA" in the same list seems awfully muddled. --KeithTyler

Why not key or annotate, so readers know if it's official or not?

I agree. It seems that city slang names should have their own section generally.. especially since they are known only in certain circles, at best.. unless they can be cited somewhere historically or in popular culture. WarBaCoN 08:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Germans don't like this idea

I really am glad that this list exists. I thought I'd add it to the German Wik (as "Liste von Stadtspitznamen"). Von wegen! It was immediately hit with a delete application, where NO ONE likes the idea. Well, I'm glad the French and English Wiks aren't so destructive! :) 211.225.32.196 02:27, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bradistan

Is the term "Bradistan", for Bradford, United Kingdom acceptable? I posted it knowing full well it refers to the large Asian population in the area. The word is presumably a hybrid of Bradford and Pakistan and has been seen on the FilmFour film, East Is East. SimonMayer 05:47, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)

(moving this from our user talk pages - Wangi/Jooler...)

Please, at least do a Google search on this one. It is common use... even by the likes of the Guardian. It is used by whites and asians alike - do not presume offense and racism where it does not exist. I'm going to add this back to List of city nicknames at some point, along with a reference, unless you want to do it first. Wangi 22:44:56, 2005-09-07 (UTC)

I did do a google search. find me a sensible page that uses the term and not just someone slagging off the Leeds/Bradford and using it as a racial slur. You state that the Huardian uses it. Searching their site I only find one reference to it, and it is here - [1] - even here it is in double quotes and it is a comment piece not an news article. Jooler 22:47, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
I've not got the time to go into this just now, damn life getting in the way! To me most of the usage on the 'net seems to be people using it in everyday conversations - people of many different communities. It is in everyday use. --Wangi 08:49:19, 2005-09-08 (UTC)
Come on, how often are NICKNAMES used in reputable media? The entire point of a nickname is thats its a non-serious term for a person, place or thing. And Bradistan is most certainly frequently used. --Kiand 14:41, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
I've added it back/Wangi 15:08, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

I've lived in Bradford for the majority of my three decades and I have never heard anyone say "Bradistan". I'm not saying its never been used because it obviously has but I question whether "it is as frequently used" as comments above would indicate. Is it used mainly by the pakistani community? as I've never heard any "whites" (for want of a better word) use it. I have frequently heard the word "pakiford" though (used by whites) only in a derogatory fashion.

[edit] Folk heroes

Does this belong here? I'd say not. --Hugh7 02:29, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nickname Big Smoke for Dublin, Republic of Ireland

User:Joececchini has been adding unsourced nicknames for cities. I've reverted until this nickname can be properly sourced. -- Dalbury(Talk) 09:57, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wolverhampton

The term "Wolves" refers to the football team, never the town (at least never by locals, anyway). The local nickname is "Wolvo". TharkunColl 20:45, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

There's a reliable source for "Wolves" [2], although I won't cry if you delete it. (I don't think there were a plethora of such sources.) You haven't supplied a reliable source for "Wolvo". Blogs and discussion forums are not reliable sources.
chocolateboy 22:47, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

But surely they are in this context, because they are from real local people. Do you have personal experience of the area? Wolves is the football team. TharkunColl 22:53, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

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chocolateboy 00:11, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I've changed it back to Wolvo, with a different reference article. Look it up on Google you'll find loads. TharkunColl 01:07, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I won't revert it (BBC link vs BBC headline?), and I hope that you, like me, are happy to see someone else deep six it on the grounds that it's an uncorroborated [6] source, but that's the most tenuous citation I've seen in... the last five minutes (see practically every other discussion in my contribs for a copious supply of examples). I looked it up on Google and found blogs and forum posts. In response to your question ("Do you have personal experience of the area?"), see those pesky Wikipedia articles referenced above.
chocolateboy 01:33, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Order

Is the list order here supposed to be random? It occurs to me that either by "prominance of usage" or "alphabetical" or possibly even "duration of usage" where applicable might be better orders. As an example, why is 'ecomonic engine of canada' the first listed nickname of Toronto? Hogtown or T.O. are actual nicknames that are widely used, as opposed to this other stuff? Any thoughts? WilyD 23:00, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I've noticed in most "Toronto" books, they tag Toronto as the Economic engine of Canada because of the finance and bank industry. Anyways how is Hamilton, Ontario the armpit of Ontario? Either Windsor is the head, Toronto is the side, Ottawa is the abdomen and North Ontario is the really big buttocks, or the person who typed that in is Anti-Hamiltonian.Sum1else 15:58, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] why Paris reason please?

Paris as the capital of the world someone, please tell me why they billthis city like that?

[edit] citations please

this might be impossible until the article is split. you can't have 300 or so footnotes.-- ExpImptalkcon 23:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

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