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Contents 1 Created 2 Merge proposal 3 People with powers - from Mohinder's father's computer 4 Ted Sprague's powers 5 Hal 6 New character 7 Mohinder's friend 8 Molly Walker? 9 Eden Killed Herself 10 Peter the Empath 11 Sylar's telekinesis really magnetism? 12 Proposed merge 13 Possible Mr. Bennet power? 14 Simone as a main character? 15 Niki's Power 16 None vs. None Known 17 Stacy Haiduk's character 18 Tense 19 Does Charlie know Hiro when they "first" meet.

[edit] Created

Since there weren't any objections and it was going to have to be done anyway at some point i went ahead and moved this off the main article. Alot of work still needs to be done to expand this article past the chart I would recommend merging the minor characters list into the article as a sub section and going from there. -- Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  11:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

On an added note I think here the table can retain the photos but I still think that the occupation and location columns should go and possibly the age column as well as even for this article that information is still a bit trivial and should probably be left to each characters individual page. Didn't want to do that right away though because that is debatable where as the page move pretty much needed to happen at some point. -- Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  11:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] People with powers - from Mohinder's father's computer

During the "Homecoming" episode, Mohinder correctly guesses his father's password to his computer and up pops a partial list of people believed to have super powers. I paused this part on my DVR and below is the list. Many names are missing characters as the screenshot on the TV episode was 100% fitted to the computer. Of course, this information is too undeveloped/undefined to include in the article, but I thought it could be helpful as the series progresses and more of these people are introduced (if they ever are introduced).

Name Location Felipe Acerra Deceased D.L. Hawkins Las Vegas, NV Byron Bevington Marshfield, VT Niki Sander Las Vegas, NV Daniel Bizzetti Greely, CO Isaac Mendez New York, NY Tracy Chobham Frostburg, MD Nicholas Datre Deceased Paul Gramble Monteith, IA Curtis Hovsepian Grant Pass, OR Nathan Petrelli New York, NY Noel Menzies Deceased Penkala Burton Albert Lea, MN Teresa Hue Pham Shreveport, LA Matthew Parkman Los Angeles, CA Hiro Nakamura Tokyo, Japan Midland, TX

Name Location David Berman New York, NY Leonie Pinkham Deceased Adam Soo Hoo Kailua, HI Linda Tavara Deceased Norman Ventria Deceased Sparrow Redhouse New Mexico Amid Halebi Los Angeles, CA Michelle *~ Candace Wi*~ Harry Flet*~ Ethan Kimb*~ Deceased Abu Aswaan Frank Cava*~ Deceased Diego Vela*~ Deceased Jess Murph*~ Deceased Sue Lande*~ Pam Green * - one missing letter *~ - a string of missing letters

--NMajdan•talk 17:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/Nameslocationsstatusru5.jpg - Screen shot of names. --ParalysedBeaver 19:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow, didn't even see that. Thank you for providing that. My list above is a bit more complete than the one on the 'Homecoming' article. I've updated my page to reflect the better image provided by the HD broadcast of the show.--NMajdan•talk 21:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

My guess is that the Midland, TX one is either Claire or Charlie, seeing as how Odessa is quite near Midland. --ParalysedBeaver 01:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ted Sprague's powers

I'm not so sure that Radiokinesis is the best way to describe his powers. Radiokinesis implies that he can manipulate radiation, but nothing indicates that he can do that. He generates ionizing radiation, certainly, but he also can generate heat. While ionizing radiation is damaging, I'm not sure if ionizing radiation by itself can create heat. However there is another possibility: Nuclear Energy Manipulation - Ted can generate nuclear energy, which produces heat with a side effect of radiation. I think that's more accurate. Stabbey 17:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Currently the article says that he has the power to emit radiation, which his character had done in the series. I don't think we've seen evidence of him manipulating anything -- radiation, nuclear energy, etc. Primogen 17:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

He clearly demonstrates the ability to create heat, which is pyrokinesis. Whether the radiation is the cause of the heat, or a side effect of the heat remains unclear. I think that "Pyrokinesis, with the side effect of emitting harmful radiation" is a more accurate then the current radiokinesis. Stabbey 18:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

We know for a fact that Ted can emit radiation, but we don't know that he has pyrokinesis, which actually is "the ability to manipulate and control flame". We don't even know that he can emit heat without emitting radiation, but we do know that many forms of radiation can cause certain molecules to generate heat. Since boiling water can be accomplished through radiation emission, I don't think we need to search for other explanations or use that as evidence of other powers. Primogen 19:53, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

He does not appear to be able to emit heat without radiation. I should note that he hasn't just boiled water, many things in his house have been damaged by what appears to be fire - photographs, a keyboard, a door. Fire manipulation is described in the list of comic book superpowers as "Ability to control the kinetic energy of atoms to generate, control or absorb fire." That's an 'or' not an 'and'. By that definition Ted does have the Fire Manipulation ability, even if he can't control the fire. Side Note: If the current powers as shown on the Heroes don't fall into any of the existing categories, what should be done about that? Stabbey 21:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The producers of the show coined a term for his power: Induced Radioactivity, which they describe as being " the ability to give radioactive properties to objects". Maniac 03:53, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

What's the source for the "Induced radioactivity" claim? I'd like to see that, if only for verification. And I did look up ionizing radiation a while ago because of questions on this topic, and the Wikipedia page didn't say heat was a side effect, just that hot objects can emit ionizing radiation. --Stabbey 04:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, radiation causes atoms to vibrate more rapidly, causing them to heat up. So, we don't need to specify heat separately from radiation. These instances have been corrected. PureSoldier 03:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Radiation most definately has heat as a side effect. Wikipedia's entry may not be complete, but I work with radiation, and it certainly heats things up. PureSoldier 09:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, I bow to the experts. "Radiokinesis" it is, I don't think there's more the n a semantic difference between that and "Induced Radioactivity". I would add that Ted can produce heat through use of his power, I think that's a clarifying statement, not a redundant one. --Stabbey 14:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Microwave Oven. falsedef 03:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hal

I've said this in the Niki Sanders discussion, but I really think there is some confusion as to when exactly Jessica "protected" Niki from Hal. It seemed to me that she was CLEARLY referring to taking over Niki's body while Hal was beating her--i.e., after her own death. That is why Niki can't remember the abuse. The whole thing doesn't make sense if Jessica was "protecting" Niki before her own death. Seems to me she was just Hal's preferred target. Jessica even said that Niki became his punching bag after her own death. This point is confused in other articles as well. I'm not sure how to edit the Hal section, but I'm quite convinced that when Jessica said she "protected" Niki, she meant after her own death. Watch the episode again, but this seems quite clear to me. MahlerFan 23:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

It was clear to me that Jessica was protecting Niki before her death by being the target of Hal's abuse. I don't see how she protected Niki after her death, since the appearance of the Jessica alter-ego appears to be a recent thing, and Hal seemed surprised to meet the Jessica alter-ego during the episode. Certainly Jessica's super strength is recent thing, or Jessica would have taken out Hal years ago. Do you mean that Jessica was protecting Niki by not having her remember the abuse? Possible, although given that Jessica was killed by Hal, Niki most needed protection for her body. Hmm, what happened to Hal after he killed Jessica? I forgot. I'll have to review the episode, but he didn't stay with the family after killing Jessica, did he? Primogen 00:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Jessica/Niki told Hal that after Jessica died, "they" (likely meaning Child Services) left Niki with Hal. think that Niki saw Hal choke Jessica to death, and that traumatized her so much that her mind split and created the "Jessica" persona. But we'll probably find that out later. If Niki really is 33, it does not make sense for her real sister Jessica to have been the one protecting her from Hal, because Niki would have been older then Jessica when she died. Stabbey 14:20, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I also got the impression that, though the superstrength is a recent development, the Jessica alter-ego was created when Niki was a child and Hal started to beat her, so she adopted a personality patterned on her dead sister to suffer the abuse in her place, probably like the real Jessica had done before dying. And I'm not sure Niki's listed age is correct either, I've read somewhere that Jessica is supposed to have been Niki's twin sister, but I don't remember any mention of that in the episode itself. Renenarciso 16:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

When Jessica visits Hal in the hotel he is reading The_Sirens_of_Titan. I'm not sure if it's significant, but thought I'd mention it here so if someone sees a connection they can add it. Hobophobe 06:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

The connection is probably symbolic - I think a theme in the book is about how people are unable to change the future. --Stabbey 18:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New character

The latest issue of TV Guide indicates that Christopher Eccleston (from Doctor Who) will be joining the cast when Heroes returns in January. What would be the protocol for discussing this? Samer 02:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it is customarily left off until the actor appears in an episode. Anything else would be speculation. Especially since we know nothing about what character he's playing, adding a new character that we know nothing about won't be helpful anyway. --Stabbey 18:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mohinder's friend

• What is the name of Mohinders friend in India who first informed him of his father's death? He's been in a number of episodes so he should be featured in the article. --4.172.117.146 19:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

His name is Nirand, he is played by Shishir Kurup --Stabbey 02:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Molly Walker?

There are several links that point(ed) to this supposed section in this article. Only, the section was removed. What now? --Addict 2006 23:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eden Killed Herself

I think this is pretty obvious for two reasons:

1. When they cut to Sylar is has a look on his face of shock and maybe anger 2. Sylar needed and longed for her power, it was pretty much 1 of 2 powers he needed to become virtually invincible. The other being Claires.

I probably wouldn't of brought this up since it will more then likely be revealed 100% in the next episode what happens, but it doesn't air till January 22nd. Anyone else agree on this? 68.226.119.201 10:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I do agree, as the comic confirms it. And if she has her brains blown out, it'll be hard for Sylar to take her obliterated brain, as it's now all over the wall, instead of in a nice little bundle for him to do whatever he does with it. PureSoldier 11:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peter the Empath

Empath is currently listed as one of Peter's powers. Before this episode I would have been willing to list "Unspecified Empathic Power" as one of his abilities, but the strange possibly future-predicting dream has thrown me for a loop and I'm not sure what to call it now. "Unspecified dream-related power" is the closest I have. It seems to be more then just an empathic bond-related dream, since Niki, D.L. and Micah were in the dream and as far as we know he's never met them. --Stabbey 14:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I haven't seen the episode yet, not living in America, but from what I've read of comments form people, it seems he has a form of hypersensitivity, in order to "Dream" events concerning other characters. It would also feed into his ability to aquire others powers. (At least one comic book character I recall could borrow powers by synching mentally with the target. But I won't be able to give definitive opinions until I manage to get hold of the episode. Jacobshaven3 18:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Peter doesn't have Empathic powers what so ever. Until you see him feel great pain around some one in great pain then you can say he is a Empath.--Dil 23:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that too. I think Clairvoyance fits the best for now. EDIT: Forgot to sign this. --Stabbey 22:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I oppose any such power being listed with Peter. We've heard characters say that except for Sylar, people have only one power, and we've heard of other powered people who can enter or manipulate dreams. To start assigning Peter more powers based on his dream should mean that we should assign the same powers to Mohinder, based on HIS dreams. ThuranX 23:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Mohinders dreams were caused by the boy that can manipulate dreams, however Peter's seem to physically affect him and to come from him. He has clairvoyant abilities, but I wouldn't say solely that. He was always advertised as the "dreamer" and he is. I'd say he has hypersensitivity, as I've mentioned previously, thus linking both his apparent abilities. All characters naturally only have one power, but those powers can be used for different outcomes, for instance Hiro's ability to teleport and freeze time with the same ability. Jacobshaven3 01:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sylar's telekinesis really magnetism?

Because he didn't attempt to escape his confinements earlier in the episode Fallout, I'm led to believe Sylar was only able to drag Eden through the glass because of her gun. In prior scenes, Mr. Bennett is seen bringing food in and placing it in a non-metal tray. The sink, toilet and bed in his cell are also lacking any metal parts. In older episodes, Sylar's victims are shown impaled by knives and a metal chair. When Sylar is cornered by agent Hanson, the gun is again the focal point of his power when he tries to turn it on her. --Dorkeugene 15:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

He does use his power to fling non-metallic Claire into the wall.

Noclevername 16:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't he have physical contact with her in that instance though? I don't have that episode recorded, so my memory's a bit hazy. I do recall him using locker panels as weapons though. --Dorkeugene 16:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Sylar also uses telekinesis to rip open the top of Jackie's skull and pull a non-metallic coffee cup to him. I think telekinesis is right. --Stabbey 18:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

During those other scenes, wasn't the Haitian in the building? And we know he doesn't need to be close by. PureSoldier 02:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Sylar does affect a lot of metallic objects, but also some non-metallic things. Eden went through the glass head first [1], so Sylar couldn't have been pulling the gun. Prometheus^-X303- 05:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed merge

List of Heroes contains the names of a lot of characters that have only been hinted at in the series; however, they have been hinted at or mentioned in passing, so they might be notable enough to include here. If this merge proposal fails, the article will be nominated for AfD instead. Kafziel ^Talk 19:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Delete The table already appearing in this article, which lists only the main characters, provides information to the reader; the new table, which also lists characters whose only appearance is a brief glimpse of their names, is noise. Primogen 20:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. This is much ado about nothing. While I do agree that we might benefit from formating our content more like that article did,—less thrills—it's not much of an article on its own or anything to merge. It's like...Marilyn Munster, poor, redundant content that should just have been redirected in the first place. Thus, I've done that. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I've had the same discussion at Talk:Heroes (TV series). Turning an article into a redirect without discussion and without merging information isn't okay. Since this article is not completely redundant, we need to decide how much (if any) of the information is relevant. I'm not saying the minor characters on List of Heroes are even notable, but it should be discussed. I started the discussion on the creator's talk page before any of this other stuff happened. I'm just trying to give a new-ish user a break and a chance to have some input before we dump his contributions. What's the rush? Kafziel ^Talk 20:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

i made this list so that people can see the heroes of this show instead of trying to find them on the list of characters. this list took about an hour to do and it shows a quick way to finding the heroes.LeafGreen Ranger ^Talk 8:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Mr. Bennet power?

The article lists Mr. Bennet as having no power, but is this known for sure? Clearly, Mr. Bennet has some means of either negating or being immune to the powers of others. One might infer that he simply has some sort of device... or a room with some kind of a field that achieves this, but when Mr.Bennett is not present Sylar is able to use telekenesis on Eden. Could this be Mr.Bennet's power; to negate or be immune to the effects of others' power? Also notice that Eden repeatedly fails to convince Mr. Bennett of anything, despite her power. Heck, maybe it wasn't the mind-erasor guy that was making Matt Parkman unable to use his mind-reading. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AllUltima (talk • contribs) 11:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

It's possible, but we can't say that until it's confirmed. We just have to go along with what the show tells us (or doesn't tell us). Any of the supposedly normal characters could turn out to have powers, but we can't speculate. Kafziel ^Talk 15:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

If the only reason Sylar wasn't able to use his telekinesis was because Bennet was in the room, then Bennet was taking a pretty dangerous chance leaving Sylar alone. He has no way to know if Sylar would try again if he left, and if he was the reason and Sylar did leave, he would escape. Given how far he's been willing to go to protect Claire, I don't think he would take that chance. I think the cell itself had some kind of power supressing field that Eden turned off. I also agree that he has no power until he's shown to have one. And Nathan was able to use his power right next to both Mr. Bennet and the Haitian. --Stabbey 16:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

The Haitian was likely in the building during the first times that we saw Sylar in the jail cell, plus the Haitian did something to Sylar when Eden attempted to put him to sleep. Also, when Eden was trying to make him commit suicide, the Haitian was definately not in the building. PureSoldier 02:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

At this point, we're clearly gettign into speculation. Perhaps we can just wait a bit longer, and then add information? Until such time, just have nothing there, or a statement saying none known, because that's still true, we don't KNOW of any powers, we are just speculating, which Wiki doesn't want, as per the crystal ball amd WP:NOT essays. ThuranX 04:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that characters not revealed to have powers should be listed as "Unknown", because it allows for either possibility. Eden for example, was thought to not have a power at first, but later revealed to have one.128.220.159.42 07:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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Clues to support that Mr.Bennett has the power to block are as follows.

examples taken from various source's, that the Haitian is misdirection.

• Mr.Bennett even says it himself in a way when he is talking to Sylar. He says, no one has more than one ability except for you. If the Haitain can alter people's minds and damp powers, that would count as two
• When he instructed the Hatian to "clean people out" (Matt, the Quarterback) he always left the room before the Hatian did it.
• When he instructed Eden to persuade Isaac, he was outside the room when she did it.
• Six months ago, Claire's cut bled freely as HRG was there but was healed w/o a scar shortly after
• Matt's powers did not work in the interrogation room in the vicinity of HRG and Claire
• Sylar's abilities didn't work when he was in the room and I guess while he wasn't there there was nothing for Sylar to throw around
• Peter started coughing as soon as HRG came into the room as if the healing effect reversed itself. he was better after Claire asked for a moment with him.
• "Six Months Ago" ep, Mr Bennett tells Eden something to the effect that "Your powers won't work on me."

signed git 7 December 2006

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Rebuttal to those points.

• Telepathy can cover blocking mental abilities and altering memories.
• So what? Unless a reason is shown for this, reading anything into it is speculation.
• So what? Reading anything not shown is speculation.
• The episode was full of other people's powers activating for the first time. Nathan hadn't flown before, was Mr. Bennet hanging around him all the time?
• The Haitian was nearby, we saw this. The Haitian was in the bar, Mr. Bennet was not (assuming he was is again, speculation).
• If Mr. Bennet or the Haitian was the only reason Sylar's abilities didn't work, then he wouldn't dare leave Sylar alive in case he tried to escape again when he or the Haitian weren't around.
• No, the coughing continued even with Claire there and Mr. Bennet outside. He also didn't look well. On an video interview on NBC.com (the one on Peter's dream), Milo Vemtimigila himself said he was sick from being near too many supers in close sucession (Sylar, Claire, Matt, Nathan).
• The Haitian was right there. He was blocking Eden. --Stabbey 17:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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Some of these posts have now appeared in three separate articles. I suggest that the conversation about Bennet's possible powers be confined to Talk:Mr. Bennet (Heroes)#Power, or some kind of Tech? so that people don't feel they have to post the same messages in three different places. Primogen 19:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Rebuttal to :Rebuttal

I see the Haitian as a decoy, a way to fool people ever so subtly, however, if i am incorrect, which i may or may not be, i don't think i am, but if so, i will buy user Stabbey a 350ml pepsi, and drink it on user Stabbey's behalf, deal? -Git 7 December 2006

Git, you are now deeply into the realm of speculation. There are NO cited works to back up your claims, you're looking for coincidences and clues. Hypothesis is not what Wikis need, they need facts. ThuranX 21:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Simone as a main character?

She doesn't have a major role in any way, and Ando has been in pretty much every episode and is considered minor. What's the deal with this?128.220.159.42 07:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be Ando upgraded rather than Simone downgraded. Both are main characters in their own right, and are featured in almost all episodes. They both seem more involved in the action than Mohinder, and both were visible in the final dream of Peters, so I'd say both should be classified as main. Jacobshaven3 09:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

We don't make the rules, or those kinds of decisions. Also, I could have sworn Mohinder was in the dream briefly, as were all main characters. Ando's status is also still debatable. He's basically Hiro's sidekick. He's bound to be where Hiro is and Hiro was there because he was a main character. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 10:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The deal is the the The NBC Heroes Cast Page lists Simone among the 10 cast members (an NBC press release upgraded Mr. Benett to being a main cast member as of Episode 11), but Ando is not among the main cast. The way the show is written, guest and recurring characters often have more screen time than main characters. For this reason, some editors argued that Eden should be listed as a main character in this article -- but then she was killed off in this week's episode. It may be that Ando will return home after all the Heroes begin working as a team and Simone will begin playing a larger role. Obviously, we don't know what the writer's plans are, but the presumption is that they designated certain characters as being among the main cast for reasons that will become apparent in time. Primogen 14:07, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Niki's Power

Niki's ability to communicate with her "split personality" Jessica indicates that it is not actually a split personality, because two personalities cannot be conscious at the same time. Furthermore, it is established that Jessica at one time was a real person and Jessica is the only one who possesses the power of superhuman strength. This casts some ambiguity on Niki's power, which obviously is not split personality, as noted above, and because split personality is not a superpower, its a mental disease. Instead, I believe that Niki has a power related to being a medium, as foreshadowed by the scene at the graveyard in in "Six Months Ago." The idea behind the power is that dead spirits can possess her body, passing along their own abilities. That would explain both the black outs and her struggle to control Jessica. For those of you familiar with Brian Lumley novels, this would be akin to the powers of a Necroscope.

Due to this possibility and that the fact there has no clear indication to what powers Niki actually has, I propose that Niki and Jessica be separated as two different characters; Niki being a main character and Jessica a minor character. This separation would allow for further speculation on the nature of Niki's ability and would remove the confusion of Jessica having superstrength and Niki not having the ability. 141.161.73.100 00:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

For a while, both the Main Characters table and the Niki/Jessica Sanders infobox listed, for powers, "Niki: None, Jessica: Super strength". I thought worked much better than "Super strength via split personality", which strikes me as both interpretive and confusing. As for your proposal, I don't know the basis for Niki being "Major" and Jessica being "Minor" -- currently the designation is based upon which actors NBC says are part of the full-time cast. Primogen 00:46, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it best returned to how it was. At the moment, we don't know that Jessica is truly a different person to Nikki, and could still be a part of Nikki's subconsious. Although most people with Dual/ Multiple Personalities can't communicate, after some forms of therapy it is possible for the stronger personas to communicate. Although I agree the idea of her being a Medium is possible, anything added to suggest it would be Original Research. Jacobshaven3 01:37, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps "alter ego" would work better. We want to describe in plain terms what is shown (i.e., another personality takes over her body), not make a medical diagnosis, or imply that we know what forces are really at play.--Trystan 23:12, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps "She's a webcam stripper with an alternate personality" works best, because that's what is cited. Let's not go changing what the creators deemed. PureSoldier 23:23, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at the entry now (at least, for as long as it lasts). I've tried to rearrange it to resolve the problem. --Ckatz^chat_spy 23:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Picture	Name	Portrayed by	Age	Occupation/Status	Place of origin	Known Superpower(s)
	Niki Sanders/ "Jessica" (alter ego)[1]	Ali Larter	33[citation needed]	Webcam stripper[2]	Las Vegas, Nevada	Superhuman strength (only as "Jessica")

Here's an interesting note on Niki's "power": (source: The TV Addict)

One of the things that has really struck a cord with the audience, especially women, is the strong female character that Ali Larter (Nikki) is playing? There is a lot of debate as to what her powers are. Can you comment on that? (Tim Kring, "Heroes" creator) It’s safe to assume that her powers are somewhat similar to that of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, or the Hulk. We’re leaving the door very open though.

--Ckatz^chat_spy 00:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the version you've posted above is the best way to go. It doesn't take Entertainment Weekly or other sources as the gospel truth, and leaves it as open for interpretation as it is in the show, as described in your Kring quote.--Trystan 02:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

It is absolutely unclear whether Niki has a split personality or is possessed. If she has split personality, there is a chance that she has superstrength, but doesn't know how to use it without entering her alter ego (akin to Isaac). Or, and here's the problem, Jessica may have had the superstrength all of along, which she then can control while possessing her sister Niki, who is actually a medium. Now there is no publication that is clear on this. You can't use TV guide as a source, because they were already wrong on Eden's power. They're explanations are vague and do not pay close attention to details. When they say split personalities, they aren't getting into the details of does that mean schizo or demonic possession. This lack of clarity means that any attempt to classify Jessica as a split personality would be pure speculation. The original option, "superstrength via split personality" definitely does not work. The above propose, first links to split personality, which is bad, and second indicates that Niki has the power of super strength, which is not known at all. That would be similar to writing out all of the powers that Peter has temporarily possessed. The fact remains that her exact power is currently UNKNOWN to the viewing public and that the 'persona' of Niki definitely has superstrength. So the only way to clearly indicate this is to separate the two 'personas' (be they one person with two personalities or two people, one possessing the other).—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.161.36.77 (talk • contribs).

I'd support removing the link to "split personality", but I think alter ego ("second self") is general enough to cover all cases of a second persona living within the same body, either by possession, absorption, or psychiatric disorder. And I think it's perfectly correct to say that she has super strength as Jessica, because that's exactly what has been shown. We're listing powers that have been exhibited. With Peter, there is enough information to generalize, but with Niki, there is not.--Trystan 03:48, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

That sounds like a reasonable compromise. How about if we wait for an hour or so to see if most people are OK with it, and then make the change. (As for your "douche" comment, 141.161.36.77, I'm not going to edit war with you. However, you might want to read WP:OWN and meta:Don't be a dick.) --Ckatz^chat_spy 04:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Alter ego seems much more acceptable than split personality. Also, it would be fine to list her as having super strength, only if it is indicated that is 'through' Jessica and not 'as' Jessica. It is again unclear whether she becomes Jessica or is being manipulated by Jessica. This would lead to a definition of her power more along the lines of: Superhuman Strength via Jessica alter-ego (via in this sense meaning through the agency of, which is widely interpretable). If you don't like the apposition, you can use something like: Superhuman Strength via her alter-ego of Jessica. 141.161.36.77 05:04, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Since we have a source using "Alter Ego" it sound best. We may not know either way about Nikki's power yet, but as I was reminded recently, we have to go by what we've been shown. Mediumship was only suggested because of an understanding of how Twin personality syndrome can affect people and that Nikki's never shown strength. All we know is that Jessica has taken over Nikki's body to protect her for years, and that Jessica is super strong. I'd say Ckatz layout shown above looks best, and utilizes all the information we currently have, rather than using any OR. Jacobshaven3 05:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] None vs. None Known

Stating that certain characters have No powers is speculative. It was originally posted Eden had no powers, and that was proved wrong. None Known shows that they currently have no known powers, but doesn't make casual readers of the article think that they don't have powers in general. For instance, Nikki may well have a mediumship power, enabling her to passively channel her dead sister, thus explaining how she can speak to her split personality. Also, so far families (especially of the same generation) with a hero in them all have an ability. E.g. Peter and Nathan, D.L. and Nikki (and Jessica) and Micah. Claire's mother (since she died in custody) and Claire. Since Mohinder's sister was "special" it's highly probably he will exhibit a power at some point. Although all of this is speculation, I'm not saying put "Unknown Power", I'm saying, put "None Known", which removes any speculation at all. Currently, by reverting my edit's, you are being spculative and presuming that they definately have no power. Especially since it is being shown possible that Mr Bennet is using the Haitian as a cover for his own power negating abilities, rather than the Haitian having that power and the ability to remove memories. (yes, once again speculation, but still as probably as the assumption he definately has no power). Jacobshaven3 18:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

You're really taking this whole thing over Maddy's arguments at Talk:Micah Sanders too far. You know that, right? Anyway, Simone and Mohinder have been confirmed powerless in interviews, press releases, et cetera. Eden was assumed to be in the same boat, but being less than a main character, there was little insight from a reliable source. Also, your insistance on poor capitalization,—"None Known"? What is that? An episode title?—among other things, isn't helping your case. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I over capitalize, I thought I was getting better. As for the whole Maddy's arguments, I don't get what you mean. I'm trying to make these Heroes articles as good and true to the programme as possible. If you have a problem with my editing style, please bring it up in my Talk page where I can properly address it rather than clogging up these talk pages. And I didn't realise that by having poor grammer skills I had a less viable opinion than anyone else, thanks for bringing it to my attention. (And yeah, everything on these talk pages is someone's opinion.). Jacobshaven3 23:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

You're proposing changes which seem to be an overzealous take on Madchester's position, that's all. The "Heroes project" and various articles are all in fairly good shape. While there's room for improvement, I doubt qualifiers like "Known" will do it. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

The changes you are proposing are impossible to implement if you look beyond the main table. Would we list Zach, Audrey, Jackie, Tina or "miscellaneous cafe diner eaters" as having "none known" powers? The simplified version of the argument is "how can you prove that they don't have powers?" which is an argument from ignorance. Even if the characters display no powers for twenty years the listing would need to remain as unknown or none known because it can not be proved they don't have powers, even though on the balance of probabilities and common sense it could be assumed they don't have powers. As there is no proof that any of them have powers to begin with (burden of proof) it should remain listed as none until information is released that implies that they have abilities. –– Lid^(Talk) 06:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stacy Haiduk's character

Since we're including some characters that have appeared only once or twice, should we also include the Homeland Security/FBI agent played by Stacey Haiduk in two episodes. The character seems to be depicted as something of a "nemesis" for Audrey Hansen and Matt Parkman. That said, does the character even have a name? IMDb just lists her as "FBI Agent" which might not even be correct as I thought she was referred to as Homeland Security? 23skidoo 15:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tense

Should we be referring to deceased characters in the past tense? It's more common, when describing fiction, to use the present tense throughout.--Trystan 16:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Does Charlie know Hiro when they "first" meet.

When Hiro and Charlie first meet(before Hiro goes back in time to save her)dose she know him from 6 months ago but pretends not to. If hiro goes back in time, she should still know him plus she said that she got a Japanese phrase book, which turns out to be from hiro. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.157.5.206 (talk) 18:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

How, if and whether or not Hiro generates paradoxes has yet to be addressed in the series. ThuranX 18:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)