Talk:List of characters from The Shield

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[edit] Merge proposals

According to guidelines in the Manual of Style for fiction, I do not believe Armadillo Quintero qualifies as a major character. He is by no means a cultural icon, and does not take up a considerable amount of screen time over the course of the series. The guidelines say that if you are in doubt, and especially if the article is a stub (which that is, and has little hope of being expanded) you should merge the content into a list of characters. So that's what I'm proposing. I think there are a few characters who deserve and can support articles of their own, like the Strike Team members and Dutch, but Armadillo (to me) doesn't meet the requirements. Kafziel 05:38, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Rockpocket 17:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

The only characters that can hack a solo page are:

  • The Strike Team
  • Aceveda
  • Dutch
  • Kavanaugh
  • Antwon Mitchell
  • Maybe Claudette

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Morisato 40 (talk • contribs).

Terry Crowley (The Shield) is listed as a proposed merge here, and I support. — pd_THOR | =/\= | 19:06, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

i am HIGHLY AGAINST the merger. I hate it when awesome characters do not get the spotlight they deserve. Margos, Armadillo, and Terry are all main characters in some way or form to their respective seasons. Omitting them from their own pages would be destroying the essence of the show for the very consensus of keeping only those characters that YOU feel are important. Well, newsflash, to me, Margos and Armadillo are WAY more excellent characters than the strike team and they deserve to have their own pages regardless of how you feel about it. I said my two bits. - Zarbon

This isn't based on our opinion; Wikipedia has reasonably clear guidelines on this, as I stated in my first entry. Furthermore, I don't see how you can say Terry Crowley is "awesome" - he makes a deal with Aceveda, then he gets shot in the face. The end. He does absolutely nothing, and dies in the pilot episode.
We're not talking about deleting these characters completely. Most of the content from their articles will be put here, including pictures (if they are properly sourced). Everyone who has voted so far likes The Shield, but you need to set aside being a fan and follow some rules here. If you love these guys so much, why don't you make your own website about them, rather than getting angry at everyone else on Wikipedia? Kafziel 13:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm not angry. There's nobody else here other than you and some other guy. You don't necessarily make the decisions as to how the page should look, and for that matter, who deserves pages or not. I know for a fact that Margos appears in 4 episodes and he's very important to the plotlines of 3 seasons, not just one episode. So just because you may not agree, does not mean that the character is not a major character. Terry is important for the sheer fact that he returns in season 2 again, and then he also has the whole investigation in his favor and under his name, the whole plotline of season 5 revolved around his murder. so just because he's alive in the first episode and dead for the rest, does not make him a lesser character, in fact, it makes him MORE IMPORTANT for the fact that he actually died rather than lingering. And as far as merging them goes, it's idiotic. You can check out other pages...let me give you some examples, Dragonball Z characters, The Sopranos characters, Oz characters, etc. All the characters have pages dedicated. Even ones that appear in one episode. How do you like them apples? Everybody deserves a page. In fact, if I were to add all 100 characters that I know from the shield on the one page (which is your idea), it would become a hellhole of scrolling. So to keep the pages neat and orderly, nothing is better than separating the characters. - Zarbon

Two points:
  1. There are four other people here besides you - There's me, there's Rockpocket, Morisato 40, and there's pd_THOR. That means that so far 80% of the votes agree that the articles should be merged with this one.
  2. I don't care how other pages are doing it. They're wrong. Believe me, kid, you're not going to convince me that Wikipedia policy is wrong by showing me a bunch of Dragonball Z articles. There's tons of crap out there, but that doesn't mean it's okay to make more. Kafziel 13:39, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

First off, i'm not a "kid", and second, last i checked The Sopranos and Oz were rated TV-MA. I'm trying to grasp your viewpoint but you seriously need to stop with the undermining disrespect. - Zarbon

For the record, i support Kafziel in this, not based on any preference for character, but simply on policy. I'm afraid, IMHO of course, Zarbon kind of invalidated his argument in his opening gambit by establishing the basis for their own pages because they are "WAY more excellent characters than the strike team and they deserve to have their own pages". If every tv series had a page for every minor character (irrespective of how important they may be in terms of plot progression), Wikipedia would be swamped. For every example you give there are plenty that avoid excessive cruftness. See List of Desperate Housewives characters. Mary Alice, for example, is absolutely crucial to the plot of that series, yet is also a very minor character (having appeared in only the first episode and now only as a voice over character). I think Terry Crowley is a perfect parallel to her. Rockpocket

Maybe Terry Crowley is...but then again...Margos and Armadillo have appeared throughout...in more than 4 eps each respectively. What makes Antwon more important? He wasn't even in season 1-3. he came in 4 and was in some of 5...just cuz he's newer, does not make him any more important, so if my fav guys are going to get merged, then antwon should too, he's in the same ranking. i added a merge tag for him as well. - Zarbon

I think his character has been much more developed, and of course the actor who portrays him (Anthony Anderson) is famous in his own right, but there haven't really been any criminals who have been prominent for the entire series, because Vic kills them all. ;)
So I'll support merging Antwon Mitchell as well. Kafziel 19:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Since you've nominated Antwon Mitchell for merging, does that mean you now support the rest of the moves? If we're all in agreement, we can be done with this right now. Otherwise, we'll leave the tags on for a while longer to see if anyone else dissents. Kafziel 19:20, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

i think we should leave the tags for a day more, just in case. but if you do happen to merge them, please at least do not delete the pictures of the characters i got, because they at least deserve to have a pictorial reference. also, if you do merge them, i hope you don't intend to delete the info that i added for all the characters. also, if you merge them, please merge antwon as well. - Zarbon

We'll give it until the end of the weekend, just to make sure everyone has a chance to discuss it. If and when I merge them I will keep the pictures and most of the information, and I will merge Antwon at the same time (assuming we have consensus for merging him). Kafziel 21:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I have objections to Antwon being moved onto the main page with the other three. Terry, Armadillo and Margos belong on the main page because their characters were not given enough time to evolve into anything more than the image given before they were killed. However, Antwon is different in that he is still alive and remains as a force against the Strike Team. Not to mention that the depth and transformation given to his character by Anthony Anderson is something that sadly the other three characters really lacked. -- Makaio 17:14, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, since Antwon is only in season 4 and some of 5, his character really hasn't had that much development either. He only came into the picture in season 4, got arrested for trying to pin the murder of a girl on two cops, then proceeded in his jail life and has been seen in prison in season 5. I mean, seriously, if all the past villains of the show were fused, then why not Antwon. He doesn't have that much development either. - Zarbon

Antwon does have a lot more development than any of those other characters. The show has followed him from newly paroled convict, to community leader, to gang leader, to cop killer, to informant. He has blackmailed Shane, worked with Kavanaugh, and has an ongoing rivalry with Vic. I'm changing my vote; I think his own article merits keeping, although it can certainly use some improvement. I think that gives us enough consensus to take the merge tags off and the Shield article will look nice again. Kafziel 13:55, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I personally do not believe that Antwon deserves his own page, because all the previous "villains" from the show were taken out. Antwon does not have that much development at all. For someone who only decides to watch seasons 1-3, what would their consensus be? Besides, you shouldn't have removed the Antwon tags. Also, your changing your vote was quite un-called for. I didn't know you could do that. also, rockpocket and pdthor didn't even vote on it. you should have at least allowed the same number of ppl to vote before removing the tag. - Zarbon

This all sounds like sour grapes to me. Kafziel 14:24, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

that was mean of you to say. - Zarbon

I agree that if someone was to only watch seasons 1-3 that they would probably be saying, "WTF, who the hell is Antwon?" However, anybody who has seen seasons 1-3 (quite a bit) have returned and brought friends for seasons 4 and 5. And if that is not enough reason to keep an Antwon article, lets look at episode count. Terry is in 1 episode, all the rest are flashbacks of his cold dead body. Armadillo is in around 10 episodes. Margos is in like, I don't know, 5, more or less, I don't really remember him that much. While Antwon is in the entire season 4 and about 1/4 of season 5, so roughly about 16 episodes. Not to mention that he was given character developement time, as we first see him as a black community leader and then progress into an agressive drug lord. Where as a character like Armadillo was evil from the get go and only transformed into an even more evil guy that sold crack to kids. So thats my take -- Makaio 04:58, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Consensus

Looking through the replies so far, the results for merging are:

More discussion is, of course, always welcome. Kafziel 12:22, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tone

I know tone has been an issue for a while, so I've trimmed a few of the sections for language and excessive detail. As a new page, it is still a work in progress, so if anyone has any suggested improvements, please discuss them here. Kafziel 17:56, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Good idea with adjusting them all to sub-headlines. -- Makaio 00:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
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