Talk:List of celebrity cocaine addicts

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LOL @ Gloria Gaynor.

Contents 1 Sigmund Freud 2 Kristin Cavallari 3 Rumored? 4 Wilson brothers 5 Hmm 6 This article is bad 7 Request for comment

[edit] Sigmund Freud

Sigmund Freud openly acknowledged his use of cocaine, which was legal at the time. He provided the drug to patients and his fiancee. Ironically enough, he prescribed it to Dr. Ernst Von Fleischl for morphine addiction, but not only did it fail to stop that addiction, the cocaine became an even worse one! Von Fleischl suffered until his death six years later and would at times feel his flesh crawling with snakes (a form of formication.) After three years of his own use, Freud was able to stop, in part due to seeing what it was doing to his patients. Heff01 03:49, 28 August 2006 (UTC) [1]

"Woe to you my Princess, when I come, I will kiss you quite red and feed you till you are plump. And if you are forward, you shall see who is the stronger, a gentle little girl who doesn't eat enough, or a big wild man who has cocaine in his body."

[edit] Kristin Cavallari

I removed Kristin Cavallari from this list since simply trying cocaine hardly qualifies as addiction. There does not seem to be a clear definition of what constitutes addiction for the purposes of this list, but usage on a regular basis for a significant period of time seems to be a minimal standard to me. Heff01 18:11, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, Cavallari trying cocaine would be better included in her own article or discussion. Heff01 16:55, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rumored?

This is supposed to be a list of people who use/used cocaine, not people that have been accused of it. An encyclopedia article shouldn't rely on gossip. Gritironskillet 01:45, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with you here. The two rumored people I added, George W. Bush and Lindsay Lohan are not just people who have been accused once or twice, but have been repeatly cited as (possible) cocaine abusers (I did not add Mischa Barton more research is required with her). Normally these rumors have some truth behind it. In the case of George W. Bush there was a book written suggesting his history of cocaine abuse including an accusation at Camp David. I added a rumored tag because these people have not confessed or open up about their history with cocaine. That is what seperates the rumored vs. partial accusations. I see nothing wrong with adding them in as long as there is a rumored tag with citations. I think we could open this debate up and see what others think of it. We could add a tag to this article, I'm not sure which one though. I rved this article for now. Cheers. Valoem ^talk 06:21, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wilson brothers

All three of the Wilson brothers from the Beach Boys went through periods of cocaine addiction. On the made-for-TV "Beach Boys: An American Family," Brian made a cameo singing appearance with Jan & Dean in their song "Surf City." His tyrannical dad, Murry, verbally ripped him apart, yelling, "How could you play with Jan & Dean? They're your archrivals!" Brian's way of coping afterward was five days straight on the hamburger train. On the fifth day, with the last of his white lines on the piano, he keeps playing the same chord over and over again with the rest of the band sitting around in the same room. Each time, he asks, "Hey, whadaya think of this?" and the others respond, "Sounds great, Brian." Their tone progressively reflects their mounting annoyance with his repetitive rut as the same song and dance goes on and on and on. This scene was almost funny---almost.

Only the controversial therapy by Dr. Eugene Landy saved Brian's life. Heff01 07:12, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hmm

I'm not sure the use of any product that had coca in it is quite the same. For example the article on Vin Mariani mentions several nobles, etc who drank it. It might be fair to class them as cocaine addicts, if unintentional ones, but I'm not sure.--T. Anthony 20:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This article is bad

This entire article is filled with rumors, un-referenced statements, and links to un-journalistic sources as proof that the claim is valid. This page is extremely inaccurate at best and libelous in general. I really don't want to prune the entire list, and verify the rest of the referenced names. I would rather just nominate it for deletion as what point does this article serve? Wikipedia is not a collection of links or a directory. --Mattarata 19:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for comment

See my previous statements. This list should probably just be nominated for deletion, but i will give it a chance on AfC.--Mattarata 00:10, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I wholly agree with the proposal to delete this article. In my judgement it is irredeemably flawed. Among other serious problems, it implicitly fails to account for the reality that many people addicted to cocaine stop using it. I say, nominate it for deletion and let people discuss the merits then. --WikkiTikkiTavi 18:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. I think the list is useful when accompanied by citations. Uncited names should be removed, and perhaps a statement saying that the list does not imply current usage. Also, I would consider changing the title to cocaine users since the definition of addiction is debatable.--K.culver 21:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• There are plenty of citations, just because a few people are not referenced should not warrent this for a delete, this article is a good list however I concur that this list should be renamed, perhaps to List of celebrity cocaine abusers? Valoem ^talk 04:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

as it stands it's libellous (I work in broadcasting, believe me, it is). Re-naming it to Celebrities Alleged to be Current or Recovering Cocaine Users might squeak it under the legals, but what's the point? It feels very tabloid to me, and for that reason I propose delete. Not encyclopaedic. raining girl 20:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete before we get sued. yandman 11:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

We should delete. Matan 22:34, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I have removed every uncited one. If this article is going to stay all those sources need to be checked and I think a new name for the article is needed. Sethie 06:35, 7 December 2006 (UTC)