Talk:List of backmasked messages
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- Addition criteria: If you know of a valid, documented message, go ahead and add it to the correct section (keep the alphabetical order by artist). But remember, no original research. The message must be documented somewhere.
[edit] Error
Hello,I saw an error with the cradle of filth blackmask : Dinner at Deviants Palace. the link that says 'Album' next to it, refers to the letter 'W'
[edit] Thanks
Thank you for completing the Eminem backmasking for me ive been to buzy. EliteMike 22:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] To Do
The bottom table needs to merged into the top two tables. TheJabberwock 03:20, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Are you sure the thing about homestarrunner.com is true?
If it is, I want to hear it because I can't belive Homestar Runner would do that.--Princess Homestar
- I doubt it. Most of these messages are probably made up. TheJabberwock 01:38, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Those messages are a load of bull sh!t. How do you get viva Satan out of everybody? The "eve" part could get viva, but where does Satan come from? 66.110.233.200 20:51, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Beatles
"Rain", "Revolution 9", and "Free As a Bird" are the 3 Beatles songs with uncontested backwards speech. In the case of "Rain", there are too many sources to list: The Beatles Anthology p. 212-214; Lewisohn's Beatles Recording Sessions book, Big Secrets by William Poundstone, etc. St. Jimmy 16:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Please Verify
I have found, someone please verify, as I have not found these anywhere else on the internet.
| Artist | Source | Message | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| Gorillaz | "Fire Comming Out Of A Monkeys Head" | "He is dignified, he is smart." | Reversal of "Oh...little town U.S.A...." |
| Julez Santana | "There It Go(The Whistle Song)" | "I am a real nigga." | Reversal of "Booty Booty Booty Rockin Everywhere" at 1:00 |
i have found that if you play a song fast forward you can hear subliminal message. for example play shania twain "man i feel like a woman" fast forwards.
[edit] Idea
Alot of these seem false. Maybe we should have links to wavs of these parts of the songs with the 'message' next to them for accuracy. Keaton 9:58pm EST. 5/28/06
- Better, and easier, find citations for all the ones at "deliberate backmasking." You're definitely right that a lot sound false. I'll get to it when I have time. Λυδαcιτγ(TheJabberwock) 04:47, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Please Verify
| Artist | Source | Message | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| Pink Floyd | "Outside the Wall" | "Worm's innocent" | The last half second or so, in the left channel, reversed. |
| Madonna | "Hung Up" | "You're so sad, I'm so Mashed" | The part that goes: "Time goes by, So slowly" in reverse (I checked) says I'm so mashed (stoned) you're so sad. I just want someone to add it, since it looks confusing to add to the list |
(Henningklevjer 17:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC))
- If you're planning on moving this message to the "Actual" section, you will need a citation, not just a verification from another editor. Λυδαcιτγ 21:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- Again, you need a citation. Λυδαcιτγ 21:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I found a subliminal message in the Pink Floyd song "Mother". It is at the beggining of the track when the lyrics "They'll Drop the Bomb" is heard. by reversing it you can hear "I Love Satan"Ted 05:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Other songs known or alleged to contain backmasking
This table should not be added to. It should be merged into the article, with information about the (allegedly) backmasked text, and a citation. Λυδαcιτγ 02:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Psycho Killer
In "Psycho Killer" The lyrics are actually French for "What is it?" A phrase used in many of their songs. I'm going to add that this is just alleged. --216.37.227.92 00:40, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
- oops, it already is--216.37.227.92 00:42, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sources of reverse speech
There are two different examples of reverse speech: reverse vocal tracks (mostly included in "Deliberate backmasking") and phonetic reversals. While reverse vocal tracks are by definition intentional, phonetic reversals can be coincidental, intentional, or possibly the work of a preternatural or subconscious intelligence. More information on phonetic reversals can be found here: [1]
The most used links are to Reverse Speech [2], the Backmask Online page [3] and bulletin board [4], and Doctor Lev's Paul Is Dead website [5]. Also, you can sign up for a free membership to Reversing Machines [6], where some examples are on the BB's, and both it and Reverse Speech are the domain of David John Oates.
The longer a phonetic reversal is, the less likely that it is coincidence, but at the same time the more difficult and thus less likely it becomes to be intentional. This is a seeming paradox that points toward likely subconscious or preternatural origin for lengthy examples. That is not to say that there couldn't be some that are intentional. Let's not forget what Aleister Crowley advised in his use of reverse memory work for magical purposes: [7]
First Method. Let the Exempt Adept first train himself to think backwards by external means, as set forth here following.
("a") Let him learn to write backwards, with either hand.
("b") Let him learn to walk backwards.
("c") Let him constantly watch, if convenient, cinematograph films, and listen to phonograph records, reversed, and let him so accustom himself to these that they appear natural, and appreciable as a whole.
("d") Let him practise speaking backwards; thus for "I am He" let him say, "Eh ma I".
("e") Let him learn to read backwards. In this it is difficult to avoid cheating one's self, as an expert reader sees a sentence at a glance. Let his disciple read aloud to him backwards, slowly at first, then more quickly.
("f") Of his own ingenium, let him devise other methods. Heff01 02:16, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Clips of backmasked messages
Would it be breaking the copyright laws to have a 5 second clip of a song forwards, and then one to show the backmasked message? If it isnt then we should put up the messages for each song, to verify if they are indeed there. Bearingbreaker92 13:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
- Interesting point. I'd say it's probably not copyvio, since, for example, http://jeffmilner.com/backmasking.htm has longer clips than that. On the other hand, I learned recently that posting full lyrics to a song is actually illegal, despite the proliferation of sites that do this. See [8] and [9]. But if we're allowed to put up 30-second forwards samples, I don't see why we wouldn't be allowed to put up 5-second backwards samples. Λυδαcιτγ 03:28, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Then I'll start working on getting a few up. Audacity, could you give me a quick tutorial on how to put media on this site? Ive also found a site that has alot of the backmasked messages we need. Ill google it and put it up later. http://www.wootang.net/backmask/ Thats the site i was talking about, i reccommend checking it out.
Bearingbreaker92 12:34, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] What counts
Does it count if random words or phrases apper in a song when it is played backwards eg. in 2-0-5 by JibJab "I brought missouri" can be heard near the end. (I don't know much about US politics, did Bush aledgely buy missouri.)-- Dr B
- If the words are there by coincidence, then no, it's not backmasking. As for Missouri, it became a state in 1821. Λυδαcιτγ 21:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I found that if you play black eyed peas "pump it" it will say "listen to me. ahhh listen to me ahhh boylishis
- The short answer to "what counts" is anything where there are reliable secondary sources which detail the supposed backmnasking. Anything which is not backed by reliable secondary sources may be removed as original research. Just zis Guy you know? 08:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Verify
| Artist | Source | Message | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| Eurythmics | This City Never Sleeps (album) | "I enjoyed making the record, very good, very good" | At the end of the song |
//aktalo() 18:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Citations needed
There are a couple of messages that are almost certainly genuine, but which I can't find a citation for. I'd really like to put them back into the table. If anyone has any books or other resources that might have details on these messages, please try to find a source. I'll post them as they come up. Λυδαcιτγ 04:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Gotta Find a Way"
| Artist | Source | Message | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| Bloodrock | "Gotta Find a Way" | "Anyone who is stupid enough to play this record backwards deserves what he is about to hear," followed by excerpts from Lewis Carroll's Jabberwocky. | Possibly the earliest parody of backwards messages. |
The earliness makes this very important. This comment here seems to validate it: "Has anyone ever listened to the backward masking portion of "Gotta Find a Way" backwards and know what it says? It's the third earliest example of backwards masking I know of, preceded only by The Mothers of Invention "Hot Poop" and The Beatles "Revolution #9"." Λυδαcιτγ 04:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "When Heaven Burns"
| Artist | Source | Message | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| Deicide | "When Heaven Burns" (album) | "Doing it all for my love of satan" | The indecipherable gibberish in the beginning of the song reversed reveals that message. |
Sounds real. Λυδαcιτγ 01:22, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Venus (In Our Blood)"
| Artist | Source | Message | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| HIM | "Venus (In Our Blood)" (album) | "Where are we going, Daddy?" | In the voice of a little girl. Accompanied by creepy Jack-In-The-Box type music and tubular bells. |
Accepted in forums such as this one. Λυδαcιτγ 05:31, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "December is for Cynics"
| Artist | Source | Message | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| The Matches | "December is for Cynics" (album) | "E. Von Dahl Killed The Locals" | Forwards: "Slacol eht dellik lhad nov e." A reference to the Beatles' "Paul is Dead" urban legend. |
Detailed here. Λυδαcιτγ 03:45, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Guitarras De Amor"
| Artist | Source | Message | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| P.O.D. | "Guitarras De Amor" (album) | "Love is beautiful, love is kind, love is patient, love is blind, love, is, love is beautiful, yes..." | The entire song is a backmasked poem based on 1 Corinthians 13:4 |
Talked about here. Λυδαcιτγ 03:04, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Enjoy the Silence"
| Artist | Source | Message | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| Lacuna Coil | "Enjoy the Silence" (album) | "All I ever wanted, all I ever needed, is here in my arms, words are very unnecessary, they can only do harm" | Chorus is repeated backwards during interlude after the first chorus. |
Sounds real. Λυδαcιτγ 11:08, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "There Will Be No Armageddon"
| Artist | Source | Message | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| Union Jack | "There Will Be No Armageddon" | "Invisible", "the most powerful", "the futures of yesterday are disposable today", "technology is [?]" | The passage starts at about 5:15 with a length of about 30 seconds. Only fragments can be made out clearly since the voice is echoing. Furthermore, the volume of the background music and the voice is changing. |
Sounds real. Λυδαcιτγ 23:02, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- How should I verify this one? I couldn't find one single citation about that message, although it is clearly audible. It's a stupid thing to wait for someone else to make the first step. - Jack's Revenge 01:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Anti-Satan Song For Mom"
| Artist | Source | Message | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| Victim's Family | "Anti-Satan Song For Mom" | "I hope you break your needle, Tipper! You cow!" | This is spoken backwards at the end of the song. It's obviously a reference to Tipper Gore. |
Sounds real. Λυδαcιτγ 23:02, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Avoid the Light"
| Artist | Source | Message | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| Pantera | "Avoid the Light" (album) | "Satan's wrath is the only choice. His stillborn army is impeccable." | During the intro and outro. |
Given as an example here; also came up at sing365 (an illegal lyrics site). Λυδαcιτγ 01:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Verify
I was listening to the Porcupine Tree album "Deadwing" the other day and I heard some deliberately reversed vocals in the song "Shallow". I reversed it in Sound Studio, but I can't exactly make out what he's saying... "Afterwards, uh... I guess I'll just...?" It's at about 2:57 (backwards time). Can anybody confirm / find a citation for this? Zackarotto 22:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Alleged messages
In case anyone has a citation, you can find the old list of alleged messages here. Λυδαcιτγ 19:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dangerously in Love
Does anyone know the one on a song on Dangerously in Love, by Beyoncé. I don't have it anymore (I bought it by download and have lost the licence) but I remember there definitly was one somewhere. It had something to do with starsigns I think. - Рэдхот 18:21, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Once I can find my Beyonce CD I'll test this one out and see if I can hear anything. - Indy Gold 20:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fugees?
I don't think this should be on the list. Reversing is a common technique to censor any swearing, and if we list The Fugees, surely we'd have to list countless other songs? Demonofthefall 10:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
