Talk:List of anarchist musicians
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[edit] Bands
Does anyone know of any good anarchist metal bands? I really like punk, but (some) metal sounds really cool, but most of the lyrics suck. Anyone have ideas. I just got Napalm death's new cd and that's pretty good. Any ideas?
Ok, I removed Avail, Hot Water Music, and No Use for a Name for now. I've been listening to these bands for a while, never heard them called anarchists. So, if someone can please offer proof of some sort we can put them back in (I've been looking to no...avail ;) yes I'm lame). --Tothebarricades.tk 20:38, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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- I've heard the no use for a name are anarchists (though I doubt it) but that they have now gone really pop punk and don't have any politics in their songs. I got one of their cds from my local library thinking they would be political and was greatly disappointed (glad I didn't waste money on it)
- I'm not sure about Discount either, but I'm not as familiar with them. --Tothebarricades.tk 21:01, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I'm wondering about Pitchshifter. Does anyone have anything explicictly saying they're anarchists or had anarchist tendencies? - DNewhall
- I propose scrapping rise against. They seem too much along the lines of anti-flag for me (pop punkers with middle of the road socialist tendencies being labeled as anarchists). Also, I am not really familiar with Reagan Youth, but their page says nothing about their being anarchists--radical leftists yes, but anarchists, not really sure. Same with MDC.
- MDC are very much anarchists... the advocate killing cops.
- I am the one who wasn't sure about MDC (I have an account now). I also have one of their cd's now too, and I agree with you, they are anarchists. The Ungovernable Force 20:07, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
- Ok, I answered part of my own question, Reagan Youth are anarchists or at least their lyrics seem like it.
- MDC are very much anarchists... the advocate killing cops.
I am curious to know why Asian Dub Foundation are listed. I can't find anything on the net that says they are an anarchist group & they recently did a benefit gig for the Scottish Socialist Party -- it is unusual for anarchists to support the "parliamentary road" to social change. james
As of 17th June somebody has removed a whole load of bands -- RATM, Negativland, Propagandhi, T(I)NC and others. Why? I think that if people are going to take stuff out they should give a reason. The first three bands i mention are definitely anarchist, so why take them out? If anyone knows something I don't could they please explain here? thanks -- james
- I personally don't know about the removal but RATM are often viewed as manufactured rebellion so a lot in the anarchist movement resent them and don't want them there. I would agree personally. Never listened to Negativeland but I thought they were anarchists. I have one cd by propagandhi and I think they are probably anarchists, but they don't label themselves as such. They say on their website that they don't want to be labeled and that they encourage people to find their own ideology as to how to destroy capitalism. I would personally consider them anarchists though (or pretty damn close). Only heard two songs by T(I)NC. I think they are debated a lot too, people on infoshop.org gave them a thrashing one time with regard to their touring with the offspring. They are political though.
- It's a shame that people bitch so much about musicians -- RATM, T(I)NC, etc. I want Propagandhi to stay on the list, along with RATM & others. I hope that people don't just take artists off the list because they don't tour with the right people! -- james, 8.7.05
I removed The Angelic Upstarts from the list because their politics were definately socialist and not anarchist. They also had a patriotic slant about them as well.
Marilyn Manson? Hes very far from an anarchist
Are Jello Biafra and Dead Kennedys anarchists? I'd say Jello is more of a progressive and he ran with the Green party.
- just a hint, if you've maybe never heard the song "Baby, I'm An Anarchist" by Against Me, so I'm going to go ahead and put them right up there in the A section. Thats all.
The song "Baby, I'm An Anarchist" is mainly satirical though rather than an actual call for anarchy. Also they supported Kerry on the Rock The Vote tour.
[edit] Organization of the List
I think it would be a good idea to better organize this list. For instance, put all the anarcho-punk bands in one section, classical composers in another, etc.
[edit] Sex Pistols?
Do they really belong here? Although they do seem to self-identify this way, they come across more as nihilists than anarchists. Sarge Baldy 21:47, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
- oh yeah, they're total anarchists--didn't you see sid in that swastika shirt? I don't think they belong here. I also wonder why Johnny Rotten's page calls him an individualist anarchist. I really doubt he is truly an anarchist. I could be wrong though.
[edit] Big Problem!
This list is just a collection of bands people have written down without any basis for it. Any left wing band that someone has heard of has been put down, RATM, for example, were socialists/communists, not anarchists. This needs a major shake up. --Horses In The Sky 13:15, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
What definition of Anarchism are we using again? And why should we use only that definition for this list? I do not believe you can seriously call one of the most significant left wing bands of the past decade non-anarchist without proof. If you will recall, the RATM book list on their own website has works such as "ABC's of Anarchism" and works by Chomsky in its collection, and in my opinion that would imply that the band at least takes elements from some form of anarchism. I do not see why some people who term themselves anarchist feel their view is 'genuine' while others are 'superficial' should get the right to declare who is and who is not an anarchist band, politician, person, etc. It is simply elitism, the very antithesis of anarchism. It is normal for humans, even of similar ideologies, to have serious disagreements over certain particulars of their ideology, so why are we acting as though it is a mortal sin to do so in the realm of music?
Additionally, should we simply remove any and every musican that has not outright called himself an anarchist in public? Or do you have to sing with the 'right' line of thought in your lyrics to qualify? How can we judge this with anything resembling objectivity? Is there a party line we must follow now to ensure adhesion to the manual, never to deviate or call it by any other name than The Line?
In my opinion, the only use this list could possibly have is to get people to listen to bands that have anarchist content in parts of their music. Otherwise, this list will be short and elitist, since very few bands (and essentially no well known bands) adhere to a strict ideological line proclaimed by a central authority or set of authorities. Since the meaning of poetry used in music is almost nothing but subjective interpretation, I do not think we should remove musicians unless they have absolutely no political content or are obviously authoritarian, such as Britney Spears (guess which she is). If a band is disputed, we should make a new discussion section for it and let the people who know something about the band hash it out until a general concensus is made by the parties involved.
Does anyone else agree with my analysis and suggestions? I would really like to have a sincere and cooperative discussion about this. -- BBUCommander
[edit] Added Riotfolk Musicians
I added the names of 8 folk singers that are part of a revolutionary collective known as Riotfolk. You can check them out on http://www.riotfolk.org/ if you want to make sure they qualify.
